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Post by Tsupernami on Apr 18, 2017 11:29:43 GMT
Just been announced by Theresa May, Labour has apparently no intention of voting against the bill. What's everyone's thoughts? Please keep it civil. I think she believes all other parties are at their weakest, and better to do it now than after the EU Brexit discussions. I hope it backfires and the youth come out in anger after their future was decided for them in the referendum. Hopefully they've learnt that they need to vote to actually make a difference, whichever way that is.
Also, I'm voting for the one true King, Jon, King of the North.
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Post by DaSpekyLegend on Apr 18, 2017 11:39:18 GMT
As always, none of them really appeal to me. Jeremy Corbyn has actually began acting like a party leader should recently, but he is still lacking in fight imo. I feel the Tories will still win quite comfortably.
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Post by drknut on Apr 18, 2017 11:55:58 GMT
Another really wicked move: Let the public decide but don't give anyone time to develop an opinion or discuss it. Don't give opposition a chance to form.
This vote will not contribute to normalising the situation. Rather the contrary, I fear. Especially after Labour having decided to roll along for the greater good (however bad a decision that might've been), opposition basically has no chance to regroup and position themselves for the upcoming vote. This election might become an opinion massacre probably resulting in a public vote that leaves at least as much doubt as the original referendum.
Voting alone isn't a sufficient criterion for a working democracy. Letting people vote but not give the time for an educated public opinion to form is a dick populistic move of a government attempting to rule by sham democracy.
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Post by Tsupernami on Apr 18, 2017 12:15:11 GMT
I used to keep quiet regarding political views, but that doesn't work when you have the likes of the Daily Mail spreading lie after lie. You need to talk to opposition thinkers and discuss. That's the only way democracy works. Not sensationalism and falsehoods.
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Post by DaSpekyLegend on Apr 18, 2017 12:21:04 GMT
I used to keep quiet regarding political views, but that doesn't work when you have the likes of the Daily Mail spreading lie after lie. You need to talk to opposition thinkers and discuss. That's the only way democracy works. Not sensationalism and falsehoods. Our family just read The Times. It is fairly balanced and very informative for the price.
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Post by Theign on Apr 20, 2017 23:10:43 GMT
Voting alone isn't a sufficient criterion for a working democracy. Letting people vote but not give the time for an educated public opinion to form is a dick populistic move of a government attempting to rule by sham democracy. I think Brexit proved pretty firmly that a long campaign does not equate to educated opinions, it only serves to give people time to brainwash those people who cant be bothered to think for themselves. The only up side to this election is that UKIP have been a little quiet in the news of late, and many of the people who voted for them last General Election have had their brexit so they might return to voting for other parties. Maybe a snap election will not give UKIP time to warm up their bullshi.. hype train.
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Post by Theign on Apr 20, 2017 23:12:49 GMT
I used to keep quiet regarding political views, but that doesn't work when you have the likes of the Daily Mail spreading lie after lie. You need to talk to opposition thinkers and discuss. That's the only way democracy works. Not sensationalism and falsehoods. Our family just read The Times. It is fairly balanced and very informative for the price. Considering its owned my Rupert Murdoch it is amazingly balanced. Not going to say it is well balanced or anything, but its not nearly as bad as most of his output.
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Post by drknut on Apr 21, 2017 8:09:24 GMT
I think Brexit proved pretty firmly that a long campaign does not equate to educated opinions, it only serves to give people time to brainwash those people who cant be bothered to think for themselves. I beg to differ strongly here. I think the Brexit referendum campaign wasn't long enough. Well, OK, it was. But it wasn't considered to be a serious issue for a long time and parties, organisations and plenty of voters haven't thought that this legally non-binding opinion poll, that was only set to take place to help keep the Tory party content and let Cameron form a government he was able to control, was such a serious issue. The Brexit referendum was a disaster in so many ways (unclear aim, unclear consequences, misinformation etc.), but I don't think that the length of the campaign really had any influence on that. But in this snap election, time is certainly an issue. May wants this now because she is absolutely sure that the time's not enough for opposing forces to gather, put a plan together, get it publicly known and gather momentum. Because if that'd be allowed to happen, it could well be that the Tories would find their advantage having turned into a severe disadvantage. BTW.: for all voters, this selftest should be of interest: uk.isidewith.com/political-quiz?from=BaJWJe94T
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Post by DaSpekyLegend on Apr 21, 2017 8:59:53 GMT
Tsupernami Do I have permission to slowly turn this thread into a general election meme chamber?
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Post by Tsupernami on Apr 21, 2017 10:07:07 GMT
Tsupernami Do I have permission to slowly turn this thread into a general election meme chamber? Go ahead, there's not much discussion here anyway, as long as it doesn't get in the way of discussion, try to them it when no one's being serious 😊 Drknut, I've used that website, I hope it's accurate, but good to see the BNP firmly at the bottom. Surprisingly, a lot of people I know including myself agree with a lot of SNP policies. Unfortunately they have this weird nationalistic agenda and don't actually represent anywhere outside of Scotland.
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Post by drknut on Apr 21, 2017 11:37:28 GMT
I am in the same boat, it seems. My profile would be best covered by the SNP. Not much of a help for a non-UK EU national out of Cambridgeshire, I guess I think that's actually a very common problem of our generation. A lot of us are rather liberal left, but there's generally no big party reflecting these interests. And the small ones that do have very often a red-flag issue or two in their program that make them very hard to vote for. That results in the weariness to vote, but it's often not a result of not being interested in politics.
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Post by DaSpekyLegend on Apr 21, 2017 11:42:21 GMT
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Post by DaSpekyLegend on Apr 21, 2017 11:43:22 GMT
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Post by endersai on May 12, 2017 7:46:58 GMT
Labour's manifesto is an adorable love letter to the 1920s, which they have since defended as "quite progressive."
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