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Post by Tsupernami on May 23, 2017 7:27:30 GMT
I really can't comprehend the hate for Corbyn. Why is he unelectable? He's won more elections for party leader than May, and equally seems to be holding his own in the polls. The gap is narrowing, what is everyone's problem?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2017 8:18:02 GMT
I really can't comprehend the hate for Corbyn. Why is he unelectable? He's won more elections for party leader than May, and equally seems to be holding his own in the polls. The gap is narrowing, what is everyone's problem? Beards? Cheap suits? Pastel shirts? I'm really not sure, I like the guy though.
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Post by Tsupernami on May 23, 2017 8:42:30 GMT
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Post by endersai on Jun 1, 2017 21:26:32 GMT
www.economist.com/news/leaders/21722855-leaders-both-main-parties-have-turned-away-decades-old-vision-open-liberal"Labour, the conservative party Mr Corbyn poses as a radical but is the most conservative—and the most dangerous—candidate of the lot. He wants to take the railways, water and postal service back into public ownership. He would resurrect collective pay-bargaining and raise the minimum wage to the point where 60% of young workers’ salaries are set by the state. His tax plan takes aim at high earners and firms, who would behave in ways his costings ignore. University would be free, as it was until the 1990s—a vast subsidy for the middle class and a blow to the poor, more of whom have enrolled since tuition fees helped create more places. On Brexit, Labour sounds softer than the Tories but its policy comes to much the same. It would end free movement of people, precluding membership of the single market. Mr Corbyn is more relaxed than Mrs May about migration, which might open the door to a slightly better deal on trade. But his lifelong opposition to globalisation hardly makes him the man to negotiate one. No economic liberal, Mr Corbyn does not much value personal freedom either. An avowed human-rights campaigner, he has embraced left-wing tyrants such as Hugo Chávez and Fidel Castro (a “champion of social justice”), who locked up opponents and muzzled the press. Mr Corbyn has spent a career claiming to stand for the oppressed while backing oppressors. " Some criticism of Corbyn, which is well earned.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 2, 2017 5:33:28 GMT
He gets my vote though. In a perfect world I'd be voting Lib Dems or Green, but due to our awful voting system you have to vote tactically for the lesser of all evils. I simply cannot allow a tory government under the control of the clueless May, so the only way for them to lose their seat in my constituency is to vote Labour.
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Post by endersai on Jun 2, 2017 5:48:18 GMT
He gets my vote though. In a perfect world I'd be voting Lib Dems or Green, but due to our awful voting system you have to vote tactically for the lesser of all evils. I simply cannot allow a tory government under the control of the clueless May, so the only way for them to lose their seat in my constituency is to vote Labour. And then what, watch as Britain goes back to the Good Old Days of perenniel strikes, fixed wages, inflation/stagflation, an innovator's exodus, etc? Unless of course you are deeply concerned that there are too many Toffs in the theatre and feel it's the most pressing issue facing Great Britain today?
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Post by Banter on Jun 2, 2017 6:29:02 GMT
He gets my vote though. In a perfect world I'd be voting Lib Dems or Green, but due to our awful voting system you have to vote tactically for the lesser of all evils. I simply cannot allow a tory government under the control of the clueless May, so the only way for them to lose their seat in my constituency is to vote Labour. And then what, watch as Britain goes back to the Good Old Days of perenniel strikes, fixed wages, inflation/stagflation, an innovator's exodus, etc? Unless of course you are deeply concerned that there are too many Toffs in the theatre and feel it's the most pressing issue facing Great Britain today? I'm concerned with a government that's destroying an NHS I have to rely on due to my health and a government that plans to increase my university fees without raising my minimum wage. I'm concerned with a government that wants to sell arms to ISIS sympathisers and wants to censor the internet. I'm concerned with a government that withdrew financial support for nursing homes and elderly carers, and made so not only was my dying Grandfather's descent into alzheimer's an emotionally crushing ordeal, but a financially crushing one too. I'm concerned with a party, many of whose MPs are openly against LGBT rights. Whose MPs want to take away children's lunches but are all too happy to put their own on expenses. Whose MPs want to bring back barbaric practices like fox hunting. Whatever Labour might be right now, they are not callous and sadistic as the current crop of tories so clearly are.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 2, 2017 6:51:19 GMT
And then what, watch as Britain goes back to the Good Old Days of perenniel strikes, fixed wages, inflation/stagflation, an innovator's exodus, etc? Unless of course you are deeply concerned that there are too many Toffs in the theatre and feel it's the most pressing issue facing Great Britain today? I'm concerned with a government that's destroying an NHS I have to rely on due to my health and a government that plans to increase my university fees without raising my minimum wage. I'm concerned with a government that wants to sell arms to ISIS sympathisers and wants to censor the internet. I'm concerned with a government that withdrew financial support for nursing homes and elderly carers, and made so not only was my dying Grandfather's descent into alzheimer's an emotionally crushing ordeal, but a financially crushing one too. I'm concerned with a party, many of whose MPs are openly against LGBT rights. Whose MPs want to take away children's lunches but are all too happy to put their own on expenses. Whose MPs want to bring back barbaric practices like fox hunting. Whatever Labour might be right now, they are not callous and sadistic as the current crop of tories so clearly are. I couldn't have put it better myself. I'm voting for a guy who isn't in politics because he wants power or success, he genuinely wants to change the world into the image that he thinks is best. If he's wrong, so be it, but its better that this shit. I'm an idealist, the world won't change overnight, but if we can take baby steps towards making this world a utopia, then that's fine by me. Oh, the tories have never directly made my life any worse, but they are corrupt and in the pockets of the corporations. The first goal is to get proportional representation on the table. Neither of the top two parties want that, so I'm doing what I can with my vote to get it closer.
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Post by Banter on Jun 2, 2017 6:54:16 GMT
I'm concerned with a government that's destroying an NHS I have to rely on due to my health and a government that plans to increase my university fees without raising my minimum wage. I'm concerned with a government that wants to sell arms to ISIS sympathisers and wants to censor the internet. I'm concerned with a government that withdrew financial support for nursing homes and elderly carers, and made so not only was my dying Grandfather's descent into alzheimer's an emotionally crushing ordeal, but a financially crushing one too. I'm concerned with a party, many of whose MPs are openly against LGBT rights. Whose MPs want to take away children's lunches but are all too happy to put their own on expenses. Whose MPs want to bring back barbaric practices like fox hunting. Whatever Labour might be right now, they are not callous and sadistic as the current crop of tories so clearly are. I couldn't have put it better myself. I'm voting for a guy who isn't in politics because he wants power or success, he genuinely wants to change the world into the image that he thinks is best. If he's wrong, so be it, but its better that this shit. I'm an idealist, the world won't change overnight, but if we can take baby steps towards making this world a utopia, then that's fine by me. Oh, the tories have never directly made my life any worse, but they are corrupt and in the pockets of the corporations. The first goal is to get proportional representation on the table. Neither of the top two parties want that, so I'm doing what I can with my vote to get it closer. My constituency is Cameron's old seat and the tories had something like a 22,000 vote majority in the last election. Voting Lib Dem who are the only viable alternative but they'll likely still lose.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 2, 2017 6:56:32 GMT
I couldn't have put it better myself. I'm voting for a guy who isn't in politics because he wants power or success, he genuinely wants to change the world into the image that he thinks is best. If he's wrong, so be it, but its better that this shit. I'm an idealist, the world won't change overnight, but if we can take baby steps towards making this world a utopia, then that's fine by me. Oh, the tories have never directly made my life any worse, but they are corrupt and in the pockets of the corporations. The first goal is to get proportional representation on the table. Neither of the top two parties want that, so I'm doing what I can with my vote to get it closer. My constituency is Cameron's old seat and the tories had something like a 22,000 vote majority in the last election. Voting Lib Dem who are the only viable alternative but they'll likely still lose. It's all you can do other than try to persuade others to do the same. May doesn't have a plan, her manifesto is so open and non-committal that you have no idea what you're voting for if you pick her
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Post by endersai on Jun 2, 2017 11:11:49 GMT
And then what, watch as Britain goes back to the Good Old Days of perenniel strikes, fixed wages, inflation/stagflation, an innovator's exodus, etc? Unless of course you are deeply concerned that there are too many Toffs in the theatre and feel it's the most pressing issue facing Great Britain today? I'm concerned with a government that's destroying an NHS I have to rely on due to my health and a government that plans to increase my university fees without raising my minimum wage. I'm concerned with a government that wants to sell arms to ISIS sympathisers and wants to censor the internet. I'm concerned with a government that withdrew financial support for nursing homes and elderly carers, and made so not only was my dying Grandfather's descent into alzheimer's an emotionally crushing ordeal, but a financially crushing one too. I'm concerned with a party, many of whose MPs are openly against LGBT rights. Whose MPs want to take away children's lunches but are all too happy to put their own on expenses. Whose MPs want to bring back barbaric practices like fox hunting. Whatever Labour might be right now, they are not callous and sadistic as the current crop of tories so clearly are. On the second part; university students consistently fret over the fees without realising they will always earn enough to repay them. I'm unsure what leprechaun Jezza found, but I hope its pot of gold is unending enough to afford to pay for all this free tuition. You're not concerned about a man who cuddled up to people who actively censored the press - by which I don't mean told it what to say, but detained, beat, tortured and shot journalists? I suggest you look up the human rights records of Castro and Chavez. The left have a long and bitter history of censorship too - it's not just the right's favourite pasttime. You're willing to castigate the sins of one mob and shrug with blind indifference to the sins of another. sins which are doubly wretched because they purport to represent such good. Labour is in all respects a worse choice than the Tories. And the Tories aren't great.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 2, 2017 11:17:51 GMT
I'm concerned with a government that's destroying an NHS I have to rely on due to my health and a government that plans to increase my university fees without raising my minimum wage. I'm concerned with a government that wants to sell arms to ISIS sympathisers and wants to censor the internet. I'm concerned with a government that withdrew financial support for nursing homes and elderly carers, and made so not only was my dying Grandfather's descent into alzheimer's an emotionally crushing ordeal, but a financially crushing one too. I'm concerned with a party, many of whose MPs are openly against LGBT rights. Whose MPs want to take away children's lunches but are all too happy to put their own on expenses. Whose MPs want to bring back barbaric practices like fox hunting. Whatever Labour might be right now, they are not callous and sadistic as the current crop of tories so clearly are. On the second part; university students consistently fret over the fees without realising they will always earn enough to repay them. I'm unsure what leprechaun Jezza found, but I hope its pot of gold is unending enough to afford to pay for all this free tuition. You're not concerned about a man who cuddled up to people who actively censored the press - by which I don't mean told it what to say, but detained, beat, tortured and shot journalists? I suggest you look up the human rights records of Castro and Chavez. The left have a long and bitter history of censorship too - it's not just the right's favourite pasttime. You're willing to castigate the sins of one mob and shrug with blind indifference to the sins of another. sins which are doubly wretched because they purport to represent such good. Labour is in all respects a worse choice than the Tories. And the Tories aren't great. I also have questions for every single MP that voted favour of the the big brother snoopers charter recently, including Corbyn, but I think he's a much lesser evil. He wants to open dialogue with the likes of Hamas and terrorists. Just blowing up their homeland has clearly not worked.
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Post by Banter on Jun 2, 2017 11:23:48 GMT
I'm concerned with a government that's destroying an NHS I have to rely on due to my health and a government that plans to increase my university fees without raising my minimum wage. I'm concerned with a government that wants to sell arms to ISIS sympathisers and wants to censor the internet. I'm concerned with a government that withdrew financial support for nursing homes and elderly carers, and made so not only was my dying Grandfather's descent into alzheimer's an emotionally crushing ordeal, but a financially crushing one too. I'm concerned with a party, many of whose MPs are openly against LGBT rights. Whose MPs want to take away children's lunches but are all too happy to put their own on expenses. Whose MPs want to bring back barbaric practices like fox hunting. Whatever Labour might be right now, they are not callous and sadistic as the current crop of tories so clearly are. On the second part; university students consistently fret over the fees without realising they will always earn enough to repay them. I'm unsure what leprechaun Jezza found, but I hope its pot of gold is unending enough to afford to pay for all this free tuition. You're not concerned about a man who cuddled up to people who actively censored the press - by which I don't mean told it what to say, but detained, beat, tortured and shot journalists? I suggest you look up the human rights records of Castro and Chavez. The left have a long and bitter history of censorship too - it's not just the right's favourite pasttime. You're willing to castigate the sins of one mob and shrug with blind indifference to the sins of another. sins which are doubly wretched because they purport to represent such good. Labour is in all respects a worse choice than the Tories. And the Tories aren't great. Don't presume to know what I have and haven't researched. I'm well aware of Corbyn's socialist tenancies. For the record, I hate communists the same as I hate the Nazis, and I think it cheap and disrespectful to the victims of such regimes for you to compare Labour to them. Did I say that higher education should be free? No. I said if tuition fees are rising then so should the minimum wage which falls far short of the living wage in most areas of the country. It's also very convenient for you to ignore the tories transgressions against the elderly, the impoverished, the NHS and ill (just to name a few) while whining about the left not wanting to raise tuition fees. I'm not blindly indifferent to the failings of the left, and earlier in this very thread I was highly critical of Corbyn and his cult of personality. Labour is misguided, the tories are malicious and self serving. The only represent a better option than labour if you're already too well off to care. The tories are far less than 'not great', they're spiteful and evil, which is not something I say lightly. I would hardly call this indifference ^
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Post by TallestJohn on Jun 2, 2017 22:38:44 GMT
Lovely stuff on nuclear weapons tonight, featuring hypothetical scenarios and hypocritical questions asking Jez to denounce the terrorist groups he 'supports' (he doesn't) while baying for him to, almost in these exact words, "push the red button like David Dimbleby tells us to on Question Time". Actually a bit disgusted by some of that.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 2, 2017 23:37:59 GMT
I used to like David Dimbleby, but he's become a bit of a knob recently
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