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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 9, 2017 13:43:54 GMT
Well Im happy with the results, would much rather some consistency going through Brexit than some Christmas List Manifesto Labour wants that would of no doubt put us in shit loads of debt like last time If you looks at the graph for national debt, the annual deficit spike matches exactly to the banking crisis. It then began to decline but tories were then voted in. It still hasn't come back, so to be fair, even with all the cuts they've made, any potential savings have gone into wealthy pockets. Labour is looking to spend on infrastructure and investment to grow the economy.
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Post by endersai on Jun 9, 2017 13:53:43 GMT
How is a one nation Tory "Thatcher Mk2". Also were you even alive when she was PM? Now you come to mention it I was! I'm young enough to have had to learn what that bitch was like, and old enough to have lived through the consequences of her "legacy". As regards to me calling her Maggie Thatcher, I'm not saying policy wise she's the second coming, I'm talking in regards to personality. As it has already been pointed out it took the Tories to turn on Thatcher before she resigned. Theresa May will no doubt go out the same way. That trade union scum had their backs broken politically? 1970s UK was weeks away from banana republic status. You need Baroness Thatcher to matter in this world.
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Post by drpepperz97 on Jun 9, 2017 13:55:05 GMT
Well Im happy with the results, would much rather some consistency going through Brexit than some Christmas List Manifesto Labour wants that would of no doubt put us in shit loads of debt like last time If you looks at the graph for national debt, the annual deficit spike matches exactly to the banking crisis. It then began to decline but tories were then voted in. It still hasn't come back, so to be fair, even with all the cuts they've made, any potential savings have gone into wealthy pockets. Labour is looking to spend on infrastructure and investment to grow the economy. Well all this 'Tax the rich more' is complete bullshit, i don't see why someone who has worked all their life to get a good income has to suffer because of some No life who can't be arsed to get his CV out. Of course the deficit was gonna come down, they just had to stop spending and spending. But lets just blame the tories for not fixing Labours mess yeah lol
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Post by endersai on Jun 9, 2017 14:01:06 GMT
Tbh Brown and Obama were wrong to bail the world economy out. It needed to go into deep recession. The "recovery" is a myth, deferred pain offset by a two tiered stream of people who have, and don't.
Somehow, 1970s socialist nonsense is the answer to some.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 14:02:13 GMT
That trade union scum had their backs broken politically? 1970s UK was weeks away from banana republic status. You need Baroness Thatcher to matter in this world. Ironically the DUP will take us back to 1870 if they get their way. They'll get pretty much what they want, but there's one thing they'll never get - the won't get the old Rangers back!!
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 9, 2017 14:23:42 GMT
If you looks at the graph for national debt, the annual deficit spike matches exactly to the banking crisis. It then began to decline but tories were then voted in. It still hasn't come back, so to be fair, even with all the cuts they've made, any potential savings have gone into wealthy pockets. Labour is looking to spend on infrastructure and investment to grow the economy. Well all this 'Tax the rich more' is complete bullshit, i don't see why someone who has worked all their life to get a good income has to suffer because of some No life who can't be arsed to get his CV out. Of course the deficit was gonna come down, they just had to stop spending and spending. But lets just blame the tories for not fixing Labours mess yeah lol Because every high earner has worked hard to get their and not inherited their lifestyle, and every low earner on minimum wage at 40 hours a week can't be arsed to find better work? Didn't realise you wrote for the Daily Express/Mail.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 9, 2017 14:26:18 GMT
Furthermore, is it wrong to expect someone earning over £150,000 to pay for the 50% on amounts over that instead of 45%? That was the proposal. Is that really unacceptable to you? Was £90,000 of their original £150,000 not enough to begin with? If I earnt £90,000 I'd never struggle to afford anything again. To demand more from your earnings is just greedy.
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Post by drpepperz97 on Jun 9, 2017 14:29:00 GMT
Well all this 'Tax the rich more' is complete bullshit, i don't see why someone who has worked all their life to get a good income has to suffer because of some No life who can't be arsed to get his CV out. Of course the deficit was gonna come down, they just had to stop spending and spending. But lets just blame the tories for not fixing Labours mess yeah lol Because every high earner has worked hard to get their and not inherited their lifestyle, and every low earner on minimum wage at 40 hours a week can't be arsed to find better work? Didn't realise you wrote for the Daily Express/Mail. Thats in very few cases, yes people are born into a wealthy family and yes people are born into poverty but in most cases the only reason someone is where they are is because of effort, people in menial jobs are there because they didn't try. Almost all the income tax in this Country is from the top 10% of earners, they pay enough. And don't think I wanna protect myself because I have a good fortune. I work minimum wage in an office job in a predominantly Labour constituency.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 9, 2017 14:58:10 GMT
Because every high earner has worked hard to get their and not inherited their lifestyle, and every low earner on minimum wage at 40 hours a week can't be arsed to find better work? Didn't realise you wrote for the Daily Express/Mail. Thats in very few cases, yes people are born into a wealthy family and yes people are born into poverty but in most cases the only reason someone is where they are is because of effort, people in menial jobs are there because they didn't try. Almost all the income tax in this Country is from the top 10% of earners, they pay enough. And don't think I wanna protect myself because I have a good fortune. I work minimum wage in an office job in a predominantly Labour constituency. That's not my point. If you are born into wealth, you stand a much greater chance of an improved education. You will also have contacts and experience that gives you a greater starting position than most others. My parents were lower class when they were born, worked damned hard all their lives and still only make about £60-70k between them. For Plymouth that's bordering middle class. My parents got lucky, most of their friends didn't. Wife didn't work so current job isn't great, and the husband works full time. So are they an example of if they wanted more they should have tried harder? They should suffer all their lives because they were part of a culture that didn't push them to do well at school. My mum left with o levels, my dad with nothing. Their education prevented them applying for better positions, they'd have to climb the ladder. Why should their friends spend 60 years at the bottom because they didn't try enough at school? That's a criminal sentence.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 9, 2017 15:10:31 GMT
I probably shouldn't have got personal on the matter. Ignore my personal circumstances if you wish, just use it as an anonymous example.
But it's not answered my original point. Those working the most menial of jobs as you say still need to be done. Your cleaners is a prime example. The job has to be done, and if you want someone to do it then that person must probably need to live. I'd like to think we live in a world where even a cleaner deserves to be happy, not just surviving. So a living wage should surely be necessary.
At the other end of the scale, do you really think that after earning £150,000 a year you can complain about paying another 5p in every pound? For every £50,000 you earn on top of that, another £2,500 goes to the exchequer to pay for public services. You're still getting £26,000 in stead of the £28,500 before. If you're earning £200,000, with take home of maybe £120k, are you that hard up to miss the £2.5k?
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Post by Hystery on Jun 9, 2017 15:53:48 GMT
Meritocracy and privileges for the richest are really the 21st century plague.
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Post by double_s92 on Jun 9, 2017 16:00:31 GMT
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 9, 2017 16:33:42 GMT
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Post by positivetension on Jun 9, 2017 21:06:55 GMT
Its totally awesome that the DUP got 292,316 votes and now get a significant amount of influence whilst the Green party got 525,371 votes and can be safely ignored (admittedly the same goes for UKIP...)
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 9, 2017 21:25:06 GMT
Its totally awesome that the DUP got 292,316 votes and now get a significant amount of influence whilst the Green party got 525,371 votes and can be safely ignored (admittedly the same goes for UKIP...) I always say the same thing. Out political system is bonkers.
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