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Post by Tsupernami on Aug 18, 2017 9:26:26 GMT
Recent attack in Barcelona by Muslim extremists - terrorists
Recent attack in America by White supremacists - not terrorists
Spot the difference.
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Post by equationunequal on Aug 18, 2017 9:57:36 GMT
Recent attack in Barcelona by Muslim extremists - terrorists Recent attack in America by White supremacists - not terrorists Spot the difference. Spot the difference.
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Post by Tsupernami on Aug 18, 2017 10:37:44 GMT
You have a valid point, but it doesn't undermine my post right above. They can exist mutually and exclusively. Both are to do with perception.
Both groups, ISIS and KKK (or whoever they are now) are disgusting. One controls a state, the other can be reasonably controlled by the state. Imagine what the KKK could and would do if they had the authority that ISIS does.
I think this is what underpins the media and public perception of both. It's easy to blame Islam, because ISIS has so much affect on the perception of it. The KKK however are so much smaller by comparison, or at least weaker, that they aren't seen as reasonable representation of Christianity or white people as a whole.
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Post by Hystery on Aug 18, 2017 11:15:20 GMT
This picture is so relevant lately.
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Post by equationunequal on Aug 18, 2017 11:25:43 GMT
This picture is so relevant lately.
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Post by Tsupernami on Aug 18, 2017 12:15:55 GMT
This picture is so relevant lately. So the KKK is everything to do with Christianity?
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Post by equationunequal on Aug 18, 2017 12:33:04 GMT
So the KKK is everything to do with Christianity? It has something to do with Christianity Only the Sith deal in absolutes
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Post by Hystery on Aug 18, 2017 12:53:53 GMT
This picture is so relevant lately. Have you ever sat down and pondered why this is actually relevant? If people didn't say "Nothing to do with islam", the voice of the hate-mongerers, the one who say "it's the fault of islam", would be the only one heard, and the only one influencing the opinion. And could you remind me what happened the last time someone blamed a religion and its people for the problems in the world, and influenced the opinion into believing he was right? A few million deaths, just that. Blaming islam will not solve the problem, ever. Therefore it is useful, and relevant, to point it out.
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Post by drknut on Aug 18, 2017 13:06:54 GMT
Recent attack in Barcelona by Muslim extremists - terrorists Recent attack in America by White supremacists - not terrorists Spot the difference. As much as I understand the uproar against Trump for not condemning right extremist violence explicitly, I think it is very far fetched to call the incident in Charlottesville a terroristic attack. To my knowledge it wasn't planned beforehand nor was it meant to destabilise and terrorise society due to the use of violence. It was cruel and despicable, no doubt. But it was "merely" a rage/hate crime, not terrorism. What happened this night in my hometown Barcelona and nearby Tarragona on the other hand was a planned attack using violence to destabilise and terrorise society, hence it's rightfully called a terroristic attack. In my experience it actually achieved the opposite. People have been distributing food and water all night long to people on the streets, residents have taken people that got stranded due to the extended police blocks into their homes, Hotels and restaurants have opened rooms and halls to people to find havens to relax and calm down, taxis have been driving around passengers for free, a public announcement had to be made to stop people from donating blood because the hospitals couldn't cope with the amount of donors, the security personnel that's currently on strike at the airport and some other places immediately resumed work...just to name a few. And right now the place where it happened is packed with people -even more packed than normally to show solidarity and that Barcelona won't succumb to fear It's actually quite awesome to be here right now. As weird as it sounds to say that. Of course I am deeply saddened by what happened and my thoughts are with the victims and their close ones. But I am also kind of proud that the amount of good deeds is so overwhelmingly more present than the bad done by this idiotic morons. But I guess the news will focus on the spectacular bad, rather than the omnipresent small good things.
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Post by Tsupernami on Aug 18, 2017 13:17:03 GMT
This picture is so relevant lately. Have you ever sat down and pondered why this is actually relevant? If people didn't say "Nothing to do with islam", the voice of the hate-mongerers, the one who say "it's the fault of islam", would be the only one heard, and the only one influencing the opinion. And could you remind me what happened the last time someone blamed a religion and its people for the problems in the world, and influenced the opinion into believing he was right? A few million deaths, just that. Blaming islam will not solve the problem, ever. Therefore it is useful, and relevant, to point it out. Not trying to argue against you, but do need to point out that Jews didn't terrorise the German people with attacks. At worst they acted like the Masons and only distributed their wealth within their own.
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Post by drknut on Aug 18, 2017 13:24:08 GMT
And could you remind me what happened the last time someone blamed a religion and its people for the problems in the world, and influenced the opinion into believing he was right? A few million deaths, just that. I fully agree with you. But I guess it's worth to point out that it by no means was the first or the last time. But certainly the most drastic.
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Post by Teme on Aug 18, 2017 14:46:04 GMT
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Post by Tsupernami on Aug 18, 2017 14:58:36 GMT
Saw this a moment ago. Shocking stuff.
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Post by Ep1c Octane on Aug 19, 2017 23:21:36 GMT
Here's an idea Europe and all nations, close your borders, these terrorists are entering your country because you don't enforce heavy consequences if they do so, so to stop your citizens from being killed my these monsters close your borders, the kkk thing was a terrorist attack to, and so are all Antifa acts against conservatives who are protesting peacefully, per example today a woman was beat up for waving an American flag, so I here by claim that Antifa is a terrorist organization, so is the kkk, so is ISIS quite obviously, and how about all protests stop because all it does is promote hate, so to sum up CLOSE YOUR DAMN BORDERS, STOP PROTESTING, and allow nations to bomb the crap out of isis, those guys don't deserve another shot at life when all they want to do is hurt woman and children and kill anyone against their views.
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Post by Hystery on Aug 19, 2017 23:44:59 GMT
Here's an idea Europe and all nations, close your borders, these terrorists are entering your country because you don't enforce heavy consequences if they do so, so to stop your citizens from being killed my these monsters close your borders It won't solve anything. Closing borders doesn't magically make a wall appear all around countries that prevents everyone from walking in and out. You can have a border patrol, and a strict border policy, people who want to get past that border will always manage to do so. It's been like that forever. Hell, even North Korea, the most insulated and closed off country in the world, with a several miles large demilitarized/no man's land zone still has people managing to flee to South Korea.
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