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Post by clone on Jun 4, 2017 13:04:33 GMT
They are though. Read the Quran, and the accompanying Hadith. They are doing exactly what their prophet is telling them to do. Emphasis on were . IRA has been disbanded and hasn't been a problem for a long time. Islamism very much is a problem that's only going to get worse in the coming years. You realise the Bible also preaches that non believers will be punished? Religion is written by man not God, therefore it is not perfect. Islam terrorism is a problem yes, Islam the religion is not a problem in most cases. It's the people not the religion Please. The bible does not tell you to kill someone. Yes, the old testament is partly based on a cruel form of god punishing all kinds of people, but when does he tell his people to kill someone? Directly "Kill the disbelievers whereever you find em" like? And that also neglects the fact that the whole christian religion (which I am not a part of) is based on the new testament and its core message: "Mercy and forgiving" by a forgiving god for all people. Not even his people, as the christian religion was not even made when the events that the bible "describes" happend. The Quaren directly tells you to kill disbelievers and it also tells you that only this book is the pure message of the god. If the religion wouldnt be a problem, the islamic religion would have been reformed, like the christian religion went under several reforms in the past in its several different groups that formed during its history. The islamic world never reformed anything, the core is still an archaic desert religion and with a serve code of war for a expanding, warmongering state that it became the state religion of. The religion is more then just their members, it has an ideological background and interferce up to the most private things in once life. While you can deeply argue that the christianity does that in a very bad way too, homosexuallity, kondoms are some things that come into once mind, we are on a whole different level when we look at Mecca and Medina (aka the islamic world): The command to kill, to punish, to enslave people for their believes, the command to overrule the women, the command to punish by amputation, whip or stones have never been pushed away by this religion, neither by their eternal believes (like the new testament in the christianity) nor by the religios institutions (like the conclaves of the katholic church removed alot of bullshit from time to time). This religion is still chained in their archaic believes with all the dirty things people did in the 7th century. And thats what people are making out the islam, the same as they did 1400 years ago, no reformation at all, no pushing away of all the cruelity that it includes. You have seriously ask yourself the question if you want to be a usefull idiot and keep on telling everyone that the people that kill you and the people that build their ideological background are just missunderstood people or start to question the whole ideological background and that will always go back to the one book of orders they have and share will all their believers.
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Post by cameronman1329 on Jun 4, 2017 13:07:16 GMT
There are also many passages in the Quran that state to forgive those non believers and such. I can see this is pointless, there are no changing views as strong as these, let's leave it before it becomes less civil
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Post by Hystery on Jun 4, 2017 14:21:17 GMT
You realise the Bible also preaches that non believers will be punished? Religion is written by man not God, therefore it is not perfect. Islam terrorism is a problem yes, Islam the religion is not a problem in most cases. It's the people not the religion Please. The bible does not tell you to kill someone. Yes, the old testament is partly based on a cruel form of god punishing all kinds of people, but when does he tell his people to kill someone? Directly "Kill the disbelievers whereever you find em" like? (1 Samuel 15:3) “This is what the Lord Almighty says... ‘Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” In this verse, Samuel, one of the early leaders of Israel, orders genocide against a neighbouring people: It's not even disbelievers, it's literally just killing a neighbouring people. Calling for the slaughter of men, women, kids, babies, animals. The Bible, a book about peace and serenity. While obviously the Quran is all about evil and murder. I love double-standards. The thing many people fail to grasp is quite simple actually. You think Islam is responsible for those non-sensical attacks? Alright. Let's say you erase Islam from Earth, just like that. Do you think those people will stop bombing the shit out of stuff? NO. Because they don't do it for a religion, they do it because they're fucking crazy. They don't do it for religion, they do it because they dream of some kind of world conquest through fear. They'll keep killing people because they're just sick people who, like Alfred said in Batman The Dark Knight Rises, just wish to see the world burn. With or without Islam, they'll find another reason to blow themselves up, and people will find another reason to blame them for it. Islam ain't the problem. It's the mental instability of those people that is the problem. Or, if anything, all religions are the problem, but not only Islam. So start blaming people who're responsible for it, instead of targeting portions of the population (muslims) who did nothing for this to happen nor wished for this to happen.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 4, 2017 14:39:19 GMT
If you give KKK or Westboro baptist church access to weapons in another country you'll probably get the same results. It's just coincidental that the most advanced countries in the world right now are not Muslim, so Muslims extremists see them as the enemy and a threat.
Extremism is a problem, not religion. On question time two nights ago, a bloke got a clap for telling Corbyn to use Nuclear Weapons first. It took a young lady to remind the audience that nuclear weapons are actually mass genocide and murder.
You have to ask yourself, do you follow the law because it just so happens to agree with your moral virtues, or because it's the law and you fear the repercussions.
If it's the latter, and once you have nothing to fear any more, what happens next? If someone tells you that it's not purgatory at the end of life but paradise if you murder innocents, from a selfish perspective what would you do?
Also, in relation to those Manchester attacks, the attacker had been reported to the police by the Muslim community on a number of occasions due to extremism. What else are they meant to do? Just give up their faith because some ass holes worldwide have a fucked up mentality?
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Post by clone on Jun 4, 2017 14:53:19 GMT
Then the amount of mentally sick people in the islamic world must be dispropotionally higher then everywhere else.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 4, 2017 15:28:10 GMT
Then the amount of mentally sick people in the islamic world must be dispropotionally higher then everywhere else. I don't think that's a fair statement and is wholly disgusting. If you genuinely think that, I have concerns for you.
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Post by DaSpekyLegend on Jun 4, 2017 15:32:17 GMT
Then the amount of mentally sick people in the islamic world must be dispropotionally higher then everywhere else. I don't think that's a fair statement and is wholly disgusting. If you genuinely think that, I have concerns for you. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Post by Hystery on Jun 4, 2017 15:35:41 GMT
Then the amount of mentally sick people in the islamic world must be dispropotionally higher then everywhere else. Actually, it's not. It's just that 1% (figure of speech) that is mentally instable and becomes the loud minority that decides to blow themselves up. The 99% left are muslims who have nothing to do with that and practice their religion in peace.
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Post by equationunequal on Jun 4, 2017 15:36:11 GMT
He's obviously being sarcastic. The ideology is the problem here, not mental health. We're on day 9 of 30. I wonder what the final score is going to be...
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Post by DaSpekyLegend on Jun 4, 2017 15:37:55 GMT
He's obviously being sarcastic. I don't believe that it was sarcasm. Anyway, whether it was or not, there should be no place for sarcasm in discussions like these imo.
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Post by clone on Jun 4, 2017 15:40:58 GMT
Then the amount of mentally sick people in the islamic world must be dispropotionally higher then everywhere else. I don't think that's a fair statement and is wholly disgusting. If you genuinely think that, I have concerns for you. Well, your faction tries to tell me that all these "recent" attacks are happening due to the attackers being sick. And as islamic terrorism happens much more frequently at the moment then any other terrorism, this is the conclusion you have to draw. Else we would have the same amount of people crying "deus vult" and blowing themself up or picking trucks to drive over people. I for once say its because of the ideology, nobody would ever start saying that violent facists are just sick and the facist ideas have nothing to do with that kind of violence. But if you want to connect the islamic terrorists to misguided mentally challenged people, then this is the conclusion.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 4, 2017 15:42:37 GMT
He clearly wasn't being sarcastic, he held those views.
As for another matter, if we lump all Islamists with the extreme terrorists, then we can also say that every single UKIP supporter and Brexiter will kill an MP if they disagree with them. Have we forgotten the murder of Jo Cox so soon?
Sikhs and Hindus are having their homes, their businesses and the themselves attacked because racists here in the UK think they're Muslim. Two of the most peaceful religions in the world, what the fuck people?
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Post by equationunequal on Jun 4, 2017 15:46:00 GMT
As for another matter, if we lump all Islamists with the extreme terrorists, then we can also say that every single UKIP supporter and Brexiter will kill an MP if they disagree with them. Have we forgotten the murder of Jo Cox so soon? Once again deflecting and denying the reality. Islamic ideology is the problem. It is going to consume and destroy Europe, because we are letting it happen.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 4, 2017 15:50:08 GMT
As for another matter, if we lump all Islamists with the extreme terrorists, then we can also say that every single UKIP supporter and Brexiter will kill an MP if they disagree with them. Have we forgotten the murder of Jo Cox so soon? Once again deflecting and denying the reality. Islamic ideology is the problem. It is going to consume and destroy Europe, because we are letting it happen. Wow, really? I'm not deflecting at all, I'm using your logic and implementing another example. By that logic, you're suggesting that it's the linked morality and behaviours behind the extremism, that all Islamists would behave in this manner given the courage and capability. That's absolutely disgusting and I think you need to re-educate yourself on the matter. Using my example, someone killed an MP because she held different views to him, with a knife, in public. What's the difference?
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Post by Hystery on Jun 4, 2017 15:53:04 GMT
As for another matter, if we lump all Islamists with the extreme terrorists, then we can also say that every single UKIP supporter and Brexiter will kill an MP if they disagree with them. Have we forgotten the murder of Jo Cox so soon? Once again deflecting and denying the reality. Islamic ideology is the problem. It is going to consume and destroy Europe, because we are letting it happen. No, it's not. Do you see non-muslim women wearing veils on their heads? Do you see non-muslim men letting their beards grow down their bellybutton and forced to pray in the middle of the street 5 times per day? Doubt so. It's not going to consume Europe. Muslims aren't going to replace anything or anyone, Islam isn't going to become the main religion of the european continent. Those views are completely made up to keep people in fear. Islamic ideology doesn't have anything more or less wrong than any other religious ideology. If Islam didn't exist, those idiots would find another excuse to blow themselves up, because that's what they want to do anyway. Religion just happens to be the ideal scapegoat, and the easiest way to brainwash people.
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