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Post by justinlynch3 on Oct 25, 2017 23:42:19 GMT
If you guys was getting a new vehicle every week without knowing what was coming or even not knowing it was part of the previous update. Would you still dislike dripfeeding?
In my opinion I don't know why the dripfeed is so hated. If you ask me Gunrunning and Smuggler's Run where both pretty big updates when they came out with new vehicles, clothing, and businesses. And personally, I like that Rockstar gives us something new every week, even if it is something small like a vehicle or adversary mode, it still helps keep the game fresh and gives me something to work towards. Maybe just me, but I think this is better then getting everything at once and then having absolutely nothing new for months until the next update.
What do you guys think on the subject?
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Post by Theign on Oct 26, 2017 3:27:14 GMT
Standard technique to keep people playing the game and thus keep the servers full.
I seriously do not understand the hatred for it, sure it can be anoying to not have access to something you realy want, but its hardly the end of the world, and yeah people who leak the details are likely responsible for a good deal of the iritation, since you cant be anoyed at not getting something if you dont know its coming.
Oh, and of course, "OMG Shurk kurds!"
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Post by tonysoprano1985 on Oct 26, 2017 7:53:55 GMT
yap, would be better if its a surprise
i don't blame the leakers, it's naturally for the modder szene to explore the files,
but rockstar could easely avoid that by just prepair real physical updates every week instead of being lazy via tunables.
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Post by equationunequal on Oct 26, 2017 8:13:19 GMT
Dripfeeding is bad because it holds back content that is already in the game. Instead of letting players decide for themselves what to get when, Rockstar gets to decide when you get to spend your money on the new stuff. For example I have zero interest in any of the planes from the last updates, but I do want to get all the new cars. That's why it annoys me that those are locked behind a timer. Same with the transform races creator. That is something that could put some new life back into the game, but for some reason Rockstar are holding it back so we can only play their own boring transform races.
Dripfeeding and the lack of actually good new content is one of the main reasons many people are losing interest in GTA Online...
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Post by Sunken on Oct 26, 2017 9:18:04 GMT
I miss the updates we got last year and stuff. Where we would get all the new stuff in the same pile and ppl were happy and exited to try everything
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Post by Optimistic_Pig on Oct 26, 2017 15:42:43 GMT
I honestly don't mind it. I have millions from duping cars and if everything came out at once I'd just buy it all at once and be bored in no time. At least it gives something to wait for and keep me coming back.
Can work the same way though for people without much in game money. Keeps them playing. Gives them something to work towards and when they finally get the money together to get what they want it's like an achievement for them
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Post by Skirakzalus on Oct 26, 2017 16:17:27 GMT
It's one thing that leakers are, well, leaking stuff, but I think it's a whole other story if R* themselves do it. Just look back at the smuggler's run trailer. It featured the Nokoda, the Hunter, Mogul, Bombushka, and the skycrane. The first four are dripfeed items, and I don't know what's the deal with the last one.
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Post by justinlynch3 on Oct 26, 2017 17:25:54 GMT
It's one thing that leakers are, well, leaking stuff, but I think it's a whole other story if R* themselves do it. Just look back at the smuggler's run trailer. It featured the Nokoda, the Hunter, Mogul, Bombushka, and the skycrane. The first four are dripfeed items, and I don't know what's the deal with the last one. We do get those vehicles via Smuggling missions, and didn't Rockstar do this before where trailers showed vehicles we couldn't actually buy? If leakers wasn't leaking stuff, most players might just think "OK what we seen was just mission vehicles, bummer" then we'd be more excited when it randomly came out to buy later on. But since we know it's coming we're annoyed we have to wait for it.
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Post by Skirakzalus on Oct 26, 2017 17:34:40 GMT
It's one thing that leakers are, well, leaking stuff, but I think it's a whole other story if R* themselves do it. Just look back at the smuggler's run trailer. It featured the Nokoda, the Hunter, Mogul, Bombushka, and the skycrane. The first four are dripfeed items, and I don't know what's the deal with the last one. We do get those vehicles via Smuggling missions, and didn't Rockstar do this before where trailers showed vehicles we couldn't actually buy? If leakers wasn't leaking stuff, most players might just think "OK what we seen was just mission vehicles, bummer" then we'd be more excited when it randomly came out to buy later on. But since we know it's coming we're annoyed we have to wait for it. Well, we had trailers before where some vehicles were shown that came out later on but I don't recall them actually putting anything in we couldn't get. And with all the stuff in the game people would expect the new vehicles to be available for purchase at some point.
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Post by Asp on Oct 26, 2017 18:05:58 GMT
My main issue with dripfeeding is that it's fully in the game and available only to cheaters in the lag time so it literally rewards cheating, but it's not severe that it supercedes the problem of actual cheating.
The entire debate surrounding dodgy video game business practices is so anfractuous that it's hard to navigate without talking about literally everything. I think we can all agree that the practice is founded on the idea that a new content release, regardless of what is released, corresponds to a small bump of shark card sales. In order to keep these releases from overlapping each other and experiencing diminishing returns per item of content produced, content is held back and dripfed in order to maintain decent sales numbers in the interstitial time between major content releases. If that's in agreement, then we're of the persuasion that the main motivation here is money.
Dripfeeding is unique to GTA because of GTA's business model being singular in its implementation. There is literally no other user/company dynamic that is analogous to it. Think about it: All content releases are free, it's just behind a grindwall. BUT there's also an active and persistent community of cheaters that will give out money, or somehow cheat accounts to billions of dollars and sell them, and they have their own little sub-economy. Their marketing is mostly in-game but also driven by a network of YouTube influencers, and there's not really any big Twitch representation, at least not on the scale of other triple-A titles since the game's had an anomalous longevity and zero competitive/progression scene.
Take all of that into consideration and that GTAO is easily Rockstar's biggest cash cow to date. In that position R* has no motivation to take a big risk with what's essentially financing all of their future games, just like how they're unwilling to invest the time/manhours to optimize/clean-up/whatever their old codes and protocols for fear of breaking something, so GTAO's experience is just a huge blood clot of new features stacked on top of old features.
So getting to my point: Dripfeeding was inevitable because R* fears changing the business model will disrupt their cash flow, so the safest change to make is what is essentially a tiny modification to their existing business model for what I bet is a small increase in profits. Only reason it's a subject of talk is because there's not much to talk about with GTA and R* so the only complaint tends to just fill the space and echo through its (still considerable) playerbase.
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Post by StudentDriver447 on Nov 8, 2017 21:19:23 GMT
If we didnt know that something is coming out... That would be a LOT worse.
Think of it; Lets say a cool plane came out. But no one knew the Vigilante was coming out soon. A lot of people (who would've otherwised saved up their money for a Vig) end up blowing their money on the new plane, and once the Vig did come out, which is a lot easier to use for killing, the group of people that wouldve gotten the Vig instead would end up having to grind yet again, and even if they sell the (now obsolete) plane, they already lost valuable money. And since the Bandwagon Effect is quite powerful in games like this, that would incite LoanShark Card purchases from rushed individuals.
Now that will be something worth posting on r/assholedesign.
I understand - Leakers cause anxiousness and uncertainty because no one really knows release dates; Probably not even the order of releasing.
But i'd rather have that, than being obfuscated from upcoming vehicles and be uninformed; That will bite my ass much harder than the current method.
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Post by justinlynch3 on Nov 9, 2017 2:23:42 GMT
If we didnt know that something is coming out... That would be a LOT worse. Think of it; Lets say a cool plane came out. But no one knew the Vigilante was coming out soon. A lot of people (who would've otherwised saved up their money for a Vig) end up blowing their money on the new plane, and once the Vig did come out, which is a lot easier to use for killing, the group of people that wouldve gotten the Vig instead would end up having to grind yet again, and even if they sell the (now obsolete) plane, they already lost valuable money. And since the Bandwagon Effect is quite powerful in games like this, that would incite LoanShark Card purchases from rushed individuals. Now that will be something worth posting on r/assholedesign. I understand - Leakers cause anxiousness and uncertainty because no one really knows release dates; Probably not even the order of releasing. But i'd rather have that, than being obfuscated from upcoming vehicles and be uninformed; That will bite my ass much harder than the current method. I never considered that.
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Post by Brady on Nov 13, 2017 16:57:35 GMT
I don’t mind if its one month of dripfeeds, any longer is too much, regardless. Just my opinion.
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Post by CHILLI on Nov 13, 2017 20:22:25 GMT
I like the current dripfeed rate because it keeps your mind on the current update for longer. By the time the last few vehicles are released a new update drops, perfect timing. I much prefer this over the old way because you get everything right away, realize that 90% of it isnt anything you care about and then have to wait an entire month+ before anything new comes out.
This way you also get some more time to save up cash between each new vehicle so you can get the cool shiz when everyone else is, rather than having to work you ass off just to get the cool stuff by the time the next update drops and slaps you in the face with a "time to grind some more". With the current release rate I dont feel bad for not playing the game for a week or two because I know I still have time to get enough cash to buy what I want.
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Post by aidyhawse on Nov 13, 2017 21:10:24 GMT
I like the current dripfeed rate because it keeps your mind on the current update for longer. By the time the last few vehicles are released a new update drops, perfect timing. I much prefer this over the old way because you get everything right away, realize that 90% of it isnt anything you care about and then have to wait an entire month+ before anything new comes out. This way you also get some more time to save up cash between each new vehicle so you can get the cool shiz when everyone else is, rather than having to work you ass off just to get the cool stuff by the time the next update drops and slaps you in the face with a "time to grind some more". With the current release rate I dont feel bad for not playing the game for a week or two because I know I still have time to get enough cash to buy what I want. Nah, that's what Broontango is for :yoba:
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