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Post by Banter on Nov 15, 2017 19:27:10 GMT
Judging by the two clips there was more than enough time to avoid the accident. Faruja, in my consideration, was part of the race again. I think it rather foolhardy to insert oneself into a rapidly closing gap. clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingGoodPepperBudStar
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Post by SpearHead2012 on Nov 15, 2017 19:28:46 GMT
If only you weren’t such a prick to “a certain German” he wouldn’t have blocked you in the first place. I’ve seen the clip it’s disgusting to say the least. You can’t tell me or anyone else it was necessary to try and force someone off the track so you could rejoin. It’s clear what your intent was and frankly you’ve gotten away with it. Perhaps if you’d have been more alert as to your surroundings it wouldn’t have happened and you’d notice you had sufficient space to re-enter SAFELY. I think you may need to read the NoDo rules to refresh your memory over what is and is not acceptable. majorcopyright My sincerest apologies for my involvement and straying off topic, but I can’t stand by and say nothing when he conducts himself in the manner he chooses to. boi after i got back up to speed i was more than half a car length ahead and he was going for a line that just didn’t have enough room?! if i was trying to force him off the track on purpose i would have at least done a better job and if that happens next week it would actually justify that massive wall of text. its only gaem You should have stayed to the outside of the road, wHether you got to speed or not he clearly had more speed and had the right to that line which you blocked
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Post by Banter on Nov 15, 2017 19:31:52 GMT
boi after i got back up to speed i was more than half a car length ahead and he was going for a line that just didn’t have enough room?! if i was trying to force him off the track on purpose i would have at least done a better job and if that happens next week it would actually justify that massive wall of text. its only gaem You should have stayed to the outside of the road, wHether you got to speed or not he clearly had more speed and had the right to that line which you blocked That's really not how it works. Faruja didn't lurch back onto the track so there was plenty of time to change direction or hit the brakes, and speed doesn't dictate who has the right to a line. Edit: I've just rewatched Aichis clip. Faruja moves rather predictably across the track, and doesn't exactly dart across. It's pretty obvious what was going to happen by trying to squeeze through.
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Post by faruja on Nov 15, 2017 19:36:21 GMT
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Post by SpearHead2012 on Nov 15, 2017 19:37:40 GMT
Faruja clearly re entered the track without checking behind him to make sure that no other driver was there if he had known aichi was there he would have been nice enough to realise that aichi is going to carry more speed and overtake him
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Post by Banter on Nov 15, 2017 19:40:07 GMT
Faruja clearly re entered the track without checking behind him to make sure that no other driver was there if he had known aichi was there he would have been nice enough to realise that aichi is going to carry more speed and overtake him Have you watched farujas clip? He does check behind him and has a lot of space. You don't win races by being nice. Faruja had the right to the line I'm afraid, and his move was certainly a legal one. If someone behind you is faster it's their responsibility to get by cleanly, you don't just let them past. Going for that gap when there was that amount of time and space to react was suicide. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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Post by SpearHead2012 on Nov 15, 2017 19:41:14 GMT
Yeah he checks after reentering the track no before
2) Re-entry. If you are knocked off the track do not make it your number one mission to get back on as quickly as possible. First wait for oncoming cars to pass and make sure you re-enter the track without getting in someone's way. If you cause an accident when coming back on the track you must again wait for the person you hit
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Post by Banter on Nov 15, 2017 19:42:45 GMT
Yeah he checks after reentering the track no before 2) Re-entry. If you are knocked off the track do not make it your number one mission to get back on as quickly as possible. First wait for oncoming cars to pass and make sure you re-enter the track without getting in someone's way. If you cause an accident when coming back on the track you must again wait for the person you hit He was already back on the track when the crash happens, and at reasonable speed. There was plenty of time to slow down or go around. There were roughly 3-4 seconds between faruja being back on the track and the crash. Considering humans can react in miliseconds, it wouldn't have taken a miracle to avoid the incident.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 22:17:32 GMT
I was going to leave it at my first post, but seen as faruja and Banter insist on arguing the point, allow me to clarify something: Exhibit One; as you can clearly see from aichiyota 's point of view Faruja has left the track. From Faruja's POV I gather there was a "love tap" betwen he and Blaze... Exhibits two and three; as you can clearly see Faruja has wasted no time in re-joining and it could be argued he has made it his priority to get back into the race ASAP. As he decided to check behind him (as Banter was so kind to point out) he can clearly see Aichi is on his inside. It is evident from both clips Faruja failed to wait for oncoming cars to pass and failed to re-enter without getting in someone's way. In fact I will go one step further and suggest given he looked back was well aware what he was doing and fully intended to impede Aichi in the process. At this point I'll refer to your NoDo racing guidelines, which Mr Spear has kindly quoted from and I refer to number 2 again. Which can be found here nodo.freeforums.net/thread/256/nonchalant-dominance-community-guidelines should any of you need to brush up on how to race cleanly. It is clear there is sufficient room to go two wide and hit the checkpoint and stay on the outside and thus racing safely, as seen below. And I will argue the incident is completely the fault of Faruja, for failing to wait for Aichi to pass or stay wide and give him space. If you can't adhere to the guidelines then may I suggest clean racing isn't for you and perhaps you should go back to playing Minecraft! In closing I would pay to see either of you do the same thing to a commissioner, or even Broughy and try and defend yourselves in the joke of a manner in which you do. Faruja I advise you two things; brush up on the racing guidelines and next time you need someone to defend you, don't hire Lt Banter! One more thing Faruja, don't call me "boi"? - It's Sir to you!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 22:30:40 GMT
One last thing, Banter, if you’ve any queries about the ethics and practices of Cloud9, perhaps it might be better asking a Cloud9 member as opposed to asking NoDo Slack chat.
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Post by Banter on Nov 15, 2017 22:58:09 GMT
I was going to leave it at my first post, but seen as faruja and Banter insist on arguing the point, allow me to clarify something: Exhibit One; as you can clearly see from aichiyota 's point of view Faruja has left the track. From Faruja's POV I gather there was a "love tap" betwen he and Blaze... Exhibits two and three; as you can clearly see Faruja has wasted no time in re-joining and it could be argued he has made it his priority to get back into the race ASAP. As he decided to check behind him (as Banter was so kind to point out) he can clearly see Aichi is on his inside. It is evident from both clips Faruja failed to wait for oncoming cars to pass and failed to re-enter without getting in someone's way. In fact I will go one step further and suggest given he looked back was well aware what he was doing and fully intended to impede Aichi in the process. At this point I'll refer to your NoDo racing guidelines, which Mr Spear has kindly quoted from and I refer to number 2 again. Which can be found here nodo.freeforums.net/thread/256/nonchalant-dominance-community-guidelines should any of you need to brush up on how to race cleanly. It is clear there is sufficient room to go two wide and hit the checkpoint and stay on the outside and thus racing safely, as seen below. And I will argue the incident is completely the fault of Faruja, for failing to wait for Aichi to pass or stay wide and give him space. If you can't adhere to the guidelines then may I suggest clean racing isn't for you and perhaps you should go back to playing Minecraft! In closing I would pay to see either of you do the same thing to a commissioner, or even Broughy and try and defend yourselves in the joke of a manner in which you do. Faruja I advise you two things; brush up on the racing guidelines and next time you need someone to defend you, don't hire Lt Banter! One more thing Faruja, don't call me "boi"? - It's Sir to you! Let's see. At this point Aichi is multiple car lengths behind, and one could reasonably assert that faruja has rejoined the track at this point. Closing speed is not relevant when defending a position and to quote our guidelines; 4.1) 'If you are stuck behind someone who is racing cleanly but is slower than you and you can't get past then that is on you, not them. It is not an excuse to rage at them or knock them off - get better at overtaking.' 4.3) '4.3) If you are on the outside of someone going around a corner and you aren't at least fully alongside their car you should back out, as they are well within their rights to take the racing line and run you out of room on the outside with any resulting crash being your fault. Conversely if you're on the inside and someone is fully alongside you on the outside you must give them a car's width of space.' 5) 'Defending. You can only make one move on a straight to defend your position. You can't weave from side to side to keep someone behind you.' So for the sake of argument lets say farujas move was intentional. I dispute that, but it's not directly relevant. By my judgement faruja had rejoined the race several seconds before collision. We can take three things from these guidelines; a) Closing speed is not relevant, nor is skill. If you don't already have the right to the space, you have to get around some other way. b) To have the right to said space you need to be at least halfway up the inside. Aichi was not. Thus faruja didn't have to accommodate him. c) Faruja was allowed to change his line to defend his position, without weaving back and forth. This is what he did, it wasn't sudden, and he was entitled to do so. At the point of him starting his move, it is reasonable to say he had rejoined the track already, nor was his move hard to predict or get around for a driver either competent or patient. He was not obligated to wait. Hardly charitable but not implausible as an assertion to make. As we can see from the timings and from our guidelines, this is not a case of track re-entry, but rather one of defending against a car with a speed advantage. The precedent for how we deal with this was set by a commissioner in an F1 event race from 2015. Having a speed advantage does not entitle you to the racing line. Strictly speaking, it was a legal defensive move. You could call the move desperate and I might be inclined to agree, but based on the precedent for this sort of thing, not against the rules. Not really relevant when the discussion is about who has rights to the racing line. The position of the checkpoint in this case is incidental at most, had the incident occurred where no checkpoint was present the outcome and relevant rules would be the same. He was obligated to do neither by the circumstances, based on our guidelines and how they've been enforced prior. I have done this to both broughy and a commissioner before, in events no less, and would do again if needs be. There was no penalty as it was deemed a 'racing incident' both times and it was decided I wasn't at fault because it was considered a legal defensive move, by both our regular guidelines and the stricter ones enforced during MCEC races. The defence I gave then is the same one I'm giving for faruja now, and was good enough for broughy and the commissioners reviewing the incident. Ironic. I do this for free, ignorance just irks me. Blame it on my lecturers.
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Post by Banter on Nov 15, 2017 23:00:16 GMT
One last thing, Banter , if you’ve any queries about the ethics and practices of Cloud9, perhaps it might be better asking a Cloud9 member as opposed to asking NoDo Slack chat. I'm being reported on in slack? How Orwellian.
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Post by JettaArts on Nov 15, 2017 23:46:05 GMT
How about it's just a racing incident and leave it at that. It's just a game dude.
PS you're all faggots.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 12:40:38 GMT
Banter You're missing the point, Faruja had left the track - he's defending nothing other than the dirt patch he was on! He therefore is required to rejoin safely - he didn't. You can clearly see at just over the four minute mark Faruja is off the track (refer back to my first picture if you must). Within a few seconds he's bullied his way back on track impeding Aichi in the process. Quote whatever rules you want to, you leave the track you rejoin only when it's safe to do so. Furthermore you're forgetting the golden rule - respect your opponent. Always leave space - why? Because it stops stupid incidents like this! I'm well aware of the way Faruja conducts himself in Slack towards Aichi (amongst others), it is of zero surprise he feels like he can bully people on track as well. This may go a way to explain why I lean towards it being deliberate. Perhaps if he was more of a gentleman and conducted himself in such a manner, I'd have been more forgiving and maybe not have brought it up in the first place. You may however, at this stage be under the false impression I have a personal vendetta towards him. Allow me to say this, I'd be quite happy to have commended Faruja had he simply made an effort to apologise or at the very least explain why he did what he did, he didn't. I've no interest in pursuing this debate any further with you Banter, we'll agree to disagree. However I'd be extremely interested to hear your thoughts on one particular point: You seem to me to be hell bent on proving Faruja didn't do anything wrong and this is nothing but a witch hunt, so tell me something and faruja you can involve yourself in this if you so wish. If it was not his intent to force Aich off the track, explain why in this screen shot Faruja is on the dirt in this image? As for anything else I won't clog up this thread any further, if you wish to discuss how me finding out about something you've said on Slack is Orwellian, you can PM me. But bare in mind nothing you say on the internet is private, and if you believe otherwise at best you're fooling yourself. Love you too Jetta...
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Post by Banter on Nov 16, 2017 13:06:59 GMT
Banter You're missing the point, Faruja had left the track - he's defending nothing other than the dirt patch he was on! He therefore is required to rejoin safely - he didn't. You can clearly see at just over the four minute mark Faruja is off the track (refer back to my first picture if you must). Within a few seconds he's bullied his way back on track impeding Aichi in the process. Quote whatever rules you want to, you leave the track you rejoin only when it's safe to do so. Furthermore you're forgetting the golden rule - respect your opponent. Always leave space - why? Because it stops stupid incidents like this! I'm well aware of the way Faruja conducts himself in Slack towards Aichi (amongst others), it is of zero surprise he feels like he can bully people on track as well. This may go a way to explain why I lean towards it being deliberate. Perhaps if he was more of a gentleman and conducted himself in such a manner, I'd have been more forgiving and maybe not have brought it up in the first place. You may however, at this stage be under the false impression I have a personal vendetta towards him. Allow me to say this, I'd be quite happy to have commended Faruja had he simply made an effort to apologise or at the very least explain why he did what he did, he didn't. I've no interest in pursuing this debate any further with you Banter, we'll agree to disagree. However I'd be extremely interested to hear your thoughts on one particular point: You seem to me to be hell bent on proving Faruja didn't do anything wrong and this is nothing but a witch hunt, so tell me something and faruja you can involve yourself in this if you so wish. If it was not his intent to force Aich off the track, explain why in this screen shot Faruja is on the dirt in this image? As for anything else I won't clog up this thread any further, if you wish to discuss how me finding out about something you've said on Slack is Owellian, you can PM me. But bare in mind nothing you say on the internet is private, and if you believe otherwise at best you're fooling yourself. Love you too Jetta... That's rather hyperbolic. By the time of the incident faruja had already been on the track for a number of seconds and is back up to a reasonable speed. Hardly bullying someone. Also as stated in our guidelines, changing line to impede someone is a valid form of defence, as it is in real motorsport. To argue otherwise is simply wilful ignorance. The question of re-entry isn't even relevant, Faruja was already back on the track and at speed. To argue that someone couldn't avoid another car smoothly moving over to the racing line to defend speaks rather poorly as to how you view Aichis abilities. To argue anything else paints Faruja as malicious and Aichi as incompetent. Simply seeing for what it is i.e Aichi misjudging the size of the gap/ closing speed, which is easily done, speaks far more fairly to the ability and character of both involved drivers. You're quite right, I will quote the rules, as that is how we fairly enforce our guidelines. To argue that he is still 'rejoining the track' at that point is just wrong, and to continue to do so would be to argue in bad faith. Like crying about it on twitter? I don't think this is quite the trump card you imagined it being... If you try to insert yourself in to a gap that has be quite clearly been getting narrower over the past few seconds, you're going to be forced off or crash I'm afraid, it's hardly rocket science. It was a risky move and it didn't pay off. Simple as that. We've also been aware of the phenomenon known as 'demon dragging' for some time, wherein two cars coming into contact can become stuck together, visibly or not, for a short time. This is particularly prevalent with users that have higher latency, and it's not a secret that Farujas connection isn't always very stable. The initial impact would also have caused Farujas car to become difficult to control for a short period due to the change in momentum. Both of these factors quite easily work to explain why faruja has a wheel on the dirt in the screenshot. I guess the joke was lost on you then. It's just rather funny how people gossip about our private slack client while also trying to air that their somehow superior. I'm well aware that our slack is as good as public, that's what makes it funny when people think it's worth gossiping about.
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