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Post by endersai on Sept 2, 2018 17:34:02 GMT
Dutch fans are handling the penalty as badly as you'd expect.
I felt for Kimi today. And for Danny Ricciardo. 6 retirements this season. 5 mechanical.
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Post by positivetension on Sept 2, 2018 21:23:47 GMT
Yeah was a shame that Raikonnen's tyres went off. Felt that the Verstappen penalty was correct as Bottas had nowhere to go.
Also Perez had some impressive race pace to end up on the back of Grosjean and Ocon especially considering the contact with Magnussen.
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Post by endersai on Sept 2, 2018 22:16:57 GMT
Yeah was a shame that Raikonnen's tyres went off. Felt that the Verstappen penalty was correct as Bottas had nowhere to go.
Also Perez had some impressive race pace to end up on the back of Grosjean and Ocon especially considering the contact with Magnussen.
Yeah the penalty was fair. Verstappen turned in on Bottas and failed to leave sufficient room as per the rules. Red Bull have had 10 DNFs this season. 1 was a double DNF, which I think the consensus was 70% VER/30% RIC (Baku). Max had 3 others, though technically one still resulted in a classification of 15th because >90% race distance completed. Daniel had the other 5. So basically, ignoring Baku (where Horner, if he were a better boss, would've done what RB did in 2014 at Singapore - let Ricciardo through, he's quicker and can go attack Bottas, and if he can't make the move stick on Bottas he'll give the place back), both drivers would be ahead of Raikkonen and Bottas. Good job, RBR.
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Post by Prrevil on Sept 3, 2018 7:09:32 GMT
I wonder why Mercedes don't get any penalties from those fake pitstops since they're forbidden on FIA rules.
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Post by endersai on Sept 3, 2018 9:49:51 GMT
I wonder why Mercedes don't get any penalties from those fake pitstops since they're forbidden on FIA rules. Charlie was quoted as saying; "My feeling is, and remains, that it’s all part of the game. We don’t like teams hanging around in the pitlane if they’re not actually doing a pitstop, if they come out as if they’re going to do one. If they did it every lap, I think we’d have something to say. But they may well have been thinking about stopping and then changed their minds. Unless someone does something overtly incorrect, I don’t think we will do anything about it." But I think Mercedes took a dirty win at Monza, and it's pretty disappointing. Having the crew out for Kimi's pit meant he had to go around them; compromising Bottas against Verstappen to give Lewis his only chance to pass. They have to stop talking proudly about how they let their drivers race. They don't.
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Post by endersai on Sept 3, 2018 10:55:14 GMT
Stoffel Vandoorne is out of McLaren for 2019.
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Post by Prrevil on Sept 3, 2018 11:25:39 GMT
^^ ok ty
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Post by Hvyit23 on Sept 3, 2018 14:52:02 GMT
Lando Norris (Euro F3 2017 champ & currently 2nd in F2) is Stoffel's replacement
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Post by Prrevil on Sept 11, 2018 8:19:38 GMT
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Post by endersai on Sept 11, 2018 8:26:24 GMT
Not unexpected.
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Post by endersai on Sept 11, 2018 8:58:39 GMT
Leclerc confirmed for Scuderia Ferrari 2019.
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Post by Prrevil on Sept 11, 2018 9:15:40 GMT
Mika Salo speculated last week that besides driving two years Kimi might get part ownership of Sauber team. We'll see If he was completely right.
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Post by endersai on Sept 11, 2018 9:34:55 GMT
He could probably afford it. And it'll be a lot like Massa at Williams - good for Sauber. It wasn't that long ago, with Kobayashi and Perez, they were on podiums. Regularly. EDIT: www.motorsportweek.com/joesaward/id/00303So Kimi Raikkonen has finally been announced as on his way out at Ferrari and the hullabaloo that has been going on can now end. The other shoe still needs to drop with Charles Leclerc being confirmed at Ferrari, but that will happen in the days ahead (if not hours). Kimi will be at Sauber for two years (so he says), which will mean that he can go off into retirement at the end of 2020, soon after his 41st birthday. There has been talk of Kimi taking a share in the Swiss team, which sounds fairly reasonable because the Swedish owner wishes to reduce his costs and we must now wait and see whether Marcus Ericsson is kept on, or whether the Italian influences (Alfa Romeo money) will lead to Antonio Giovinazzi getting the drive. I'm not sure which driver my money is on in this case.
The most interesting thing about the news is that Ferrari has decided that Sebastian Vettel's comfortable situation at Maranello will now change. For the last four seasons the four-time World Champion has had a relatively easy time with Raikkonen, which is reflected in their points scores in the different seasons: in 2015 Vettel scored 65 percent of Ferrari's points, in 2016 it was 53 percent, in 2017 it widened again to 61 percent and this year it has been 58 percent. Admittedly, some of this was due to the fact that Raikkonen played second fiddle to Vettel but that was part of the comfort zone. Vettel is quick, no question, but on several occasions he has made mistakes under pressure and that has cost Ferrari a lot. If he comes under more pressure, will he make more mistakes? That is an interesting question.
Whether Leclerc is going to be controlled by team orders is another question (to which I am not expecting an answer until the racing begins) but even if that is the case, Leclerc can make it very obvious that he is quicker than Vettel if that is indeed the case and he wants it to be noted.
It is hard to judge how good Vettel ultimately is because his career has been spent in fairly protected positions with Red Bull Racing (where he was considered the golden boy) and then at Ferrari (where Kimi has been compliant when required). The one year when we saw Vettel under pressure from a team-mate was in 2014 when he was up against Daniel Ricciardo and he ended up being beaten by the Australian, 238 points to 167. That provides an interesting background to the fight ahead. What this move ought to do is to beef up the Ferrari challenge for the Constructors' Championship, which has been somewhat blighted in recent years by Raikkonen's lower rate of scoring. With Ferrari facing a reduction in the money it gets from F1 just for being there, the prize money thus becomes more important and so the need for two highly-competitive drivers increases.
We will see.
The other implication in this is that another door has closed for Stoffel Vandoorne and (theoretically) for Esteban Ocon.
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Post by Prrevil on Sept 14, 2018 4:18:32 GMT
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Post by endersai on Sept 16, 2018 4:34:45 GMT
That lap from Lewis was something else. He now has to watch Vettel behind him and Max to his left off the grid - I can see a HAM/VER collision at Turn 1 as a likely outcome.
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