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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2015 2:46:59 GMT
Listening to Progressive House. Makes me sad while reading this. I enjoyed the times I had to fiddle with the VPN, trying to get a stable stream from the iPlayer to me in Germany. #BBC
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rcracer11m
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Post by rcracer11m on Mar 17, 2015 10:16:39 GMT
There are still new episodes on here in 'America. I'm watching it right now its a new Italian road trip.
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Post by SakiBomb on Mar 18, 2015 1:38:45 GMT
There are still new episodes on here in 'America. I'm watching it right now its a new Italian road trip. I believe that's what they said they were going to show instead of the last few eps of the season.
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Post by Trowa on Mar 18, 2015 4:38:28 GMT
Punching someone is a lot worse than saying nigga. Whats up with this word anyway? Don't people know that giving attention to these things is implicitly keeping racism alive? Neither is ok in a civilized society. Arguing the lesser of 2 evils is pointless. Saying the word itself isnt always derogatory but the context in which Jeremy Clarkson said it was 100% racist. That version of the song was created by racist white people in the USA and nobody sings it that way. Its not like hes just old and the world moved on without him. Hes not a former American Slave owner from the 1800s and therefore has no business or alibi for singing catch a nigger by his toe other than being a racist. Its pathetic people defend racist behavior. Thats what keeps racism alive.
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averageloz
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Post by averageloz on Mar 18, 2015 7:44:13 GMT
Punching someone is a lot worse than saying nigga. Whats up with this word anyway? Don't people know that giving attention to these things is implicitly keeping racism alive? Neither is ok in a civilized society. Arguing the lesser of 2 evils is pointless. Saying the word itself isnt always derogatory but the context in which Jeremy Clarkson said it was 100% racist. That version of the song was created by racist white people in the USA and nobody sings it that way. Its not like hes just old and the world moved on without him. Hes not a former American Slave owner from the 1800s and therefore has no business or alibi for singing catch a nigger by his toe other than being a racist. Its pathetic people defend racist behavior. Thats what keeps racism alive. I actually disagree with this, yes he did say it BUT he also noticed his mistake, spoke to the editor and got it removed. This was a clip from the chopping room floor and therefore irrelevant!
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Post by Trowa on Mar 18, 2015 8:14:28 GMT
Neither is ok in a civilized society. Arguing the lesser of 2 evils is pointless. Saying the word itself isnt always derogatory but the context in which Jeremy Clarkson said it was 100% racist. That version of the song was created by racist white people in the USA and nobody sings it that way. Its not like hes just old and the world moved on without him. Hes not a former American Slave owner from the 1800s and therefore has no business or alibi for singing catch a nigger by his toe other than being a racist. Its pathetic people defend racist behavior. Thats what keeps racism alive. I actually disagree with this, yes he did say it BUT he also noticed his mistake, spoke to the editor and got it removed. This was a clip from the chopping room floor and therefore irrelevant! Doesnt make it irrelevant at all. He just didnt want to be the next Paula Deen, Rush Limbaugh, Donald Sterling ect. Being intelligent enough to realize you just committed career suicide doesnt mean you arent racist....Either way I could give a fuck about Top Gear or Jeremy Clarkson . Just sharing my opinion.
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Post by tjezc☻ on Mar 18, 2015 10:49:04 GMT
Punching someone is a lot worse than saying nigga. Whats up with this word anyway? Don't people know that giving attention to these things is implicitly keeping racism alive? Neither is ok in a civilized society. Arguing the lesser of 2 evils is pointless. Saying the word itself isnt always derogatory but the context in which Jeremy Clarkson said it was 100% racist. That version of the song was created by racist white people in the USA and nobody sings it that way. Its not like hes just old and the world moved on without him. Hes not a former American Slave owner from the 1800s and therefore has no business or alibi for singing catch a nigger by his toe other than being a racist. Its pathetic people defend racist behavior. Thats what keeps racism alive. In our country, we have this public holiday called Sinterklaas. It's probably the most racist thing any outsider will ever see. It's a bit like Santa Klaus. One white man with helpers giving presents to kids. Only these helpers aren't little elfs. They're jolly black people, called Black Pete. I was told as a kid that these people became black because they go down the chimney (just like santa) and the soot covers their face. However, they did have golden earrings, red lips and frizzy hair. Sounds like a white man and his black slaves to you? If not, you should see it, and it will. Fact is, this white man actually existed in Turkey, and used to free slaves, and they helped him in return with throwing food though windows of poor peoples houses. This is symbolized by Black Pete throwing candy around. After his death he was declared a saint indeed. Last year a huge discussion arose about the fact that the people playing these helpers paint their faces black/brown and actual black people were called black pete by children sometimes. Many people saw no issue with Black Pete at all: We're not mocking black people. We're not promoting slavery (we celebrate the freeing of them, if anything). We are not racists; this is just tradition! Thus, some black people supported the fact that Black Pete should have a make-over, of course whiteys join in to prove they're "sooo not racist" (hate them whiteys). This almost divided the society into black and white groups and in effect of this attention, racism versus black people actually lived up in Holland. The European court came to interfere and stated that our long-lived holiday was indeed racist. Now, Black Pete is called just Pete. No more earrings or red lips. And his face can be any colour, or just soot strikes and spots. A pretty good solution I must say. ~ This is what I meant with 'giving attention to racism implicitly keeps it alive'. I don't know any person that had experienced Black Pete being racist before this discussion, not even the black people I know. We all grew up with the holiday and we all loved it. We could all see, though, that it might be racist. But it wasn't, so it isn't. Also, I was not defending Clarkson, I was just trying to get the load off a nigga. This word means nothing special anymore, it's just an identifyer like 'whites'. Black people use it, which means I may use it as well. Similar rights, right? This is probably why I should NEVER go to Soutch Africa or USA, where I'm told people aren't as tolerant as in Holland... {Efil4zaggin}
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Post by Trowa on Mar 18, 2015 11:23:44 GMT
Neither is ok in a civilized society. Arguing the lesser of 2 evils is pointless. Saying the word itself isnt always derogatory but the context in which Jeremy Clarkson said it was 100% racist. That version of the song was created by racist white people in the USA and nobody sings it that way. Its not like hes just old and the world moved on without him. Hes not a former American Slave owner from the 1800s and therefore has no business or alibi for singing catch a nigger by his toe other than being a racist. Its pathetic people defend racist behavior. Thats what keeps racism alive. This is what I meant with 'giving attention to racism implicitly keeps it alive'. I don't know any person that had experienced Black Pete being racist before this discussion, not even the black people I know. We all grew up with the holiday and we all loved it. We could all see, though, that it might be racist. But it wasn't, so it isn't.Also, I was not defending Clarkson, I was just trying to get the load off a nigga. This word means nothing special anymore, it's just an identifyer like 'whites'. Black people use it, which means I may use it as well. Similar rights, right? This is probably why I should NEVER go to Soutch Africa or USA, where I'm told people aren't as tolerant as in Holland... Sounds like giving attention to the issue solved a problem, not the other way around as you would have us believe. Just because you are ignorant to the a words meaning, origin or intent doesnt meaning it is without meaning, origin or intent. From the sounds of it the courts handled that situation exactly how it should be handled. Tradition is maintained without implying that black midgets are Santas slaves. I dont know how you could begin to argue that is a bad thing. Contradiction at its finest. If the word held no meaning you could go around shouting it all you wanted without getting your ass beat into a pulp buddy. You have every right to say whatever words you want in the USA so long as you dont make terrorist threats...Also I just like to point out that there is no need to EVER say that word. Black people shouldnt say it either and just because ignorant blacks and whites like to get together and say it like it has no meaning doesnt mean its suddenly ok to say the word. If you think because a rapper said it in a song or you heard it in a movie its ok to say it then you are part of the problem. The majority of black people do NOT say nigga after every fucking word like pop culture portrays it. Moreover if someone takes offense then you shouldnt say it. Period.
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Post by SakiBomb on Mar 18, 2015 11:38:58 GMT
Moreover if someone takes offense then you shouldnt say it. Period. This.
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Post by tjezc☻ on Mar 18, 2015 11:49:32 GMT
Sounds like giving attention to the issue solved a problem, not the other way around as you would have us believe. Just because you are ignorant to the a words meaning, origin or intent doesnt meaning it is without meaning, origin or intent. From the sounds of it the courts handled that situation exactly how it should be handled. Tradition is maintained without implying that black midgets are Santas slaves. I dont know how you could begin to argue that is a bad thing. Contradiction at its finest. If the word held no meaning you could go around shouting it all you wanted without getting your ass beat into a pulp buddy. You have every right to say whatever words you want in the USA so long as you dont make terrorist threats...Also I just like to point out that there is no need to EVER say that word. Black people shouldnt say it either and just because ignorant blacks and whites like to get together and say it like it has no meaning doesnt mean its suddenly ok to say the word. If you think because a rapper said it in a song or you heard it in a movie its ok to say it then you are part of the problem. The majority of black people do NOT say nigga after every fucking word like pop culture portrays it. Moreover if someone takes offense then you shouldnt say it. Period. I agree it has been dealt with properly. Still, more people now make racist remarks more often, because of the whole discussion about the matter. Their view on black people has changed. It's a nasty side effect of the sides people had to choose. Also, if everyone would be ignorant of the meaning, what power does it have? It's like religion; if no one believes in a god, then no god will exist. It's the people that give the word meaning. I've just given it a different one than some others. Maybe in English you can say 'blacks' (although I find that sounding more offensive tbh), but in Dutch that literal translation is often experienced as even more offensive (hence I find blacks more offensive). We would have to use two words (like black people). A single word is much easier to say. And if people use the word like it has no meaning, it indeed has no meaning at all. At least not between them... Your last sentence: agreed. I just haven't met much people that take offense from anything i say. Probably because no one takes me serious (which is a good thing I guess) Edit: Just a question, would 'negro' be better? Or even worse?
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ossiru
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Post by ossiru on Mar 18, 2015 11:51:55 GMT
Moreover if someone takes offense then you shouldnt say it. Period. If you're referring to the word 'nigger' or other words with that are clearly tied to historical and ongoing social atrocitities then I agree. As a blanket statement on language, I completely disagree.
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Post by Trowa on Mar 18, 2015 11:56:06 GMT
Moreover if someone takes offense then you shouldnt say it. Period. If you're referring to the word 'nigger' or other words with that are clearly tied to historical and ongoing social atrocitities then I agree. As a blanket statement on language, I completely disagree. Referring to derogatory name calling meant to single people out for whatever reason.
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Post by Trowa on Mar 18, 2015 12:01:14 GMT
Sounds like giving attention to the issue solved a problem, not the other way around as you would have us believe. Just because you are ignorant to the a words meaning, origin or intent doesnt meaning it is without meaning, origin or intent. From the sounds of it the courts handled that situation exactly how it should be handled. Tradition is maintained without implying that black midgets are Santas slaves. I dont know how you could begin to argue that is a bad thing. Contradiction at its finest. If the word held no meaning you could go around shouting it all you wanted without getting your ass beat into a pulp buddy. You have every right to say whatever words you want in the USA so long as you dont make terrorist threats...Also I just like to point out that there is no need to EVER say that word. Black people shouldnt say it either and just because ignorant blacks and whites like to get together and say it like it has no meaning doesnt mean its suddenly ok to say the word. If you think because a rapper said it in a song or you heard it in a movie its ok to say it then you are part of the problem. The majority of black people do NOT say nigga after every fucking word like pop culture portrays it. Moreover if someone takes offense then you shouldnt say it. Period. I agree it has been dealt with properly. Still, more people now make racist remarks more often, because of the whole discussion about the matter. Their view on black people has changed. It's a nasty side effect of the sides people had to choose. Also, if everyone would be ignorant of the meaning, what power does it have? It's like religion; if no one believes in a god, then no god will exist. It's the people that give the word meaning. I've just given it a different one than some others. Maybe in English you can say 'blacks' (although I find that sounding more offensive tbh), but in Dutch that literal translation is often experienced as even more offensive (hence I find blacks more offensive). We would have to use two words (like black people). A single word is much easier to say. And if people use the word like it has no meaning, it indeed has no meaning at all. At least not between them... Your last sentence: agreed. I just haven't met much people that take offense from anything i say. Probably because no one takes me serious (which is a good thing I guess) Edit: Just a question, would 'negro' be better? Or even worse? Blacks or black people will suffice. If you want to politically correct in the USA you are supposed to say "African-American". Negro just means black in spanish. Its not derogatory persay but I would advise just saying black unless you are actually speaking spanish.
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Post by ossiru on Mar 18, 2015 12:02:47 GMT
If you're referring to the word 'nigger' or other words with that are clearly tied to historical and ongoing social atrocitities then I agree. As a blanket statement on language, I completely disagree. Referring to derogatory name calling meant to single people out for whatever reason. So really just general politeness and decency? I can agree with that. Though there's a masive difference between calling someone a "fucking moron" and calling someone a "nigger". One's rude and uncalled for (most of the time), the other is categorically wrong.
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Post by Trowa on Mar 18, 2015 12:11:06 GMT
Referring to derogatory name calling meant to single people out for whatever reason. So really just general politeness and decency? I can agree with that. Though there's a masive difference between calling someone a "fucking moron" and calling someone a "nigger". One's rude and uncalled for (most of the time), the other is categorically wrong. Yeah its the latter I have a problem with.
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