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Post by vxwk on Mar 29, 2015 12:16:26 GMT
You're comparing Hitler and Clarkson haha really? The guy like slipped up by saying the 'n' word in a commonly spoken rhyme for people his age and made a few jokes that people got offended about. Comparing him to a guy who gassed 6 million Jews is making me laugh. Better than whatever my family is watching on TV now. This whole thing has been really blown out of proportion by the media which is what the BBC wants as it gives them some backing as people will always believe what's said in the papers and on TV. I'm not saying Jeremy Clarkson is as bad as Hitler, but I am saying that if you think you can say that people can get away with being a despicable person because they make loads of money, by your logic Hitler should be forgiven. That's the broadest comparison ever. That's like saying I like Jeremy Clarkson and his initials are JC like Jesus Christ so that makes me religious. He hasn't really done anything that bad to be classed as a 'despicable person'. Everything he does is blown up by the media because he is such a famous person and everyone believes them and gets this impression that he is some kind of brute. The guys not even pressing charges because even he can see how stupid this has become.
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Post by James_N9699 on Mar 29, 2015 12:37:06 GMT
I'm not saying Jeremy Clarkson is as bad as Hitler, but I am saying that if you think you can say that people can get away with being a despicable person because they make loads of money, by your logic Hitler should be forgiven. That's the broadest comparison ever. That's like saying I like Jeremy Clarkson and his initials are JC like Jesus Christ so that makes me religious. He hasn't really done anything that bad to be classed as a 'despicable person'. Everything he does is blown up by the media because he is such a famous person and everyone believes them and gets this impression that he is some kind of brute. The guys not even pressing charges because even he can see how stupid this has become. He is a despicable person because he's a bigoted bully, would you say that's an ok thing to be?
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Post by vxwk on Mar 29, 2015 12:41:28 GMT
That's the broadest comparison ever. That's like saying I like Jeremy Clarkson and his initials are JC like Jesus Christ so that makes me religious. He hasn't really done anything that bad to be classed as a 'despicable person'. Everything he does is blown up by the media because he is such a famous person and everyone believes them and gets this impression that he is some kind of brute. The guys not even pressing charges because even he can see how stupid this has become. He is a despicable person because he's a bigoted bully, would you say that's an ok thing to be? No that's not an ok thing to be and Clarkson isn't one.
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Post by Pundip on Mar 29, 2015 13:04:41 GMT
He is a despicable person because he's a bigoted bully, would you say that's an ok thing to be? No that's not an ok thing to be and Clarkson isn't one. I'd quite like to see some proof that he isn't a bigot, because there is definitely evidence out there to dispute that
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Post by vxwk on Mar 29, 2015 13:15:10 GMT
No that's not an ok thing to be and Clarkson isn't one. I'd quite like to see some proof that he isn't a bigot, because there is definitely evidence out there to dispute that Fans like seeing someone who has opinions though it's just his character. What you see on the screen is a TV personality. If everyone had all the same left-wing non controversial views then where's the entertainment. Top Gear is an entertainment show more than it is a car show. The presenters have to be funny as the majority of their work is comedy. That's why people love Top Gear.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 13:28:31 GMT
I'd quite like to see some proof that he isn't a bigot, because there is definitely evidence out there to dispute that Fans like seeing someone who has opinions though it's just his character. What you see on the screen is a TV personality. If everyone had all the same left-wing non controversial views then where's the entertainment. Top Gear is an entertainment show more than it is a car show. The presenters have to be funny as the majority of their work is comedy. That's why people love Top Gear. All of that ^
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Post by Pundip on Mar 29, 2015 13:40:48 GMT
I'd quite like to see some proof that he isn't a bigot, because there is definitely evidence out there to dispute that Fans like seeing someone who has opinions though it's just his character. What you see on the screen is a TV personality. If everyone had all the same left-wing non controversial views then where's the entertainment. Top Gear is an entertainment show more than it is a car show. The presenters have to be funny as the majority of their work is comedy. That's why people love Top Gear. I agree that as a journalist, being opinionated, controversial and challenging the norm is a good thing, but that wasn't ever in doubt on my end. I'm merely pointing out the fact that you said Clarkson isn't a bigot when there is years of evidence stating otherwise. Edit: Also...claiming that "it's just his character" as though that somehow makes it ok is not an argument at all. I've dealt with racism my whole life (being half Pakistani, half British) growing up in South London. I can't even count the amount of times I've had the word Paki thrown at me as an insult and not once did I assume that "it's just his character" was a viable excuse for racist behaviour. Just because someone is racist doesn't make it ok to be racist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 14:03:26 GMT
Fans like seeing someone who has opinions though it's just his character. What you see on the screen is a TV personality. If everyone had all the same left-wing non controversial views then where's the entertainment. Top Gear is an entertainment show more than it is a car show. The presenters have to be funny as the majority of their work is comedy. That's why people love Top Gear. I agree that as a journalist, being opinionated, controversial and challenging the norm is a good thing, but that wasn't ever in doubt on my end. I'm merely pointing out the fact that you said Clarkson isn't a bigot when there is years of evidence stating otherwise. Edit: Also...claiming that "it's just his character" as though that somehow makes it ok is not an argument at all. I've dealt with racism my whole life (being half Pakistani, half British) growing up in South London. I can't even count the amount of times I've had the word Paki thrown at me as an insult and not once did I assume that "it's just his character" was a viable excuse for racist behaviour. Just because someone is racist doesn't make it ok to be racist. How is he racist?
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Post by Pundip on Mar 29, 2015 14:20:09 GMT
nudeltime Just a simple google search would be easy enough be here's the list for you anyway. 1 - The 'eeny meeny miny mo' situation. 2 - The not so subtle use of the word 'slope' in the Burma episode. 3 - Calling Romania "Borat country, with gypsies and Russian playboys". 4 - He named one of his dogs that has black fur Didier Drogba. I'll be the first to admit that that last one isn't exactly the most offensive thing in the world but it is still casual racism.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Mar 29, 2015 14:30:37 GMT
I'd quite like to see some proof that he isn't a bigot, because there is definitely evidence out there to dispute that Fans like seeing someone who has opinions though it's just his character. What you see on the screen is a TV personality. If everyone had all the same left-wing non controversial views then where's the entertainment. Top Gear is an entertainment show more than it is a car show. The presenters have to be funny as the majority of their work is comedy. That's why people love Top Gear. The one thing that's always bugged me about some of his past issues is.... how did they even GET ON THE AIR? Only a very small portion of Top Gear is live, and the portions I remember where he got in trouble were pre-recorded scenes that were then edited to show the audience. Therefor, his comments were known to the editors, and they didn't cut that comment out. While Clarkson said the words, making him the bigot, the biggest idiots out there were the editors and producers who thought it would be ok to let that scene stand.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 14:35:19 GMT
nudeltime Just a simple google search would be easy enough be here's the list for you anyway. 1 - The 'eeny meeny miny mo' situation. 2 - The not so subtle use of the word 'slope' in the Burma episode. 3 - Calling Romania "Borat country, with gypsies and Russian playboys". 4 - He named one of his dogs that has black fur Didier Drogba. I'll be the first to admit that that last one isn't exactly the most offensive thing in the world but it is still casual racism. 1: We've already discussed, he did not say or plan to say that, there's a statement video of him where he says the scene should not have gone out into the internet. 2: "Slope, slopehead, slopy, slopey, sloper (Aus, UK, and US) a person of Asian (in Australia, especially Vietnamese; in America, especially Chinese) descent" - It's a joke, because the road was uneven and you could have misinterpreted it. It's not racist until you believe it is. 3: "Gyppo, gippo, gypo, gyppie, gyppy, gipp a. A Romani people. b. (UK and Australia) Egyptians. These are variations of "Gypsy"- people of Romani origin. " Gypsy" is not in itself an ethnic slur but its usage is sometimes controversial." At last, this: Racism which says, no matter if something is wrong or right, it's only true if you believe it. Source
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Post by Ser Tandur on Mar 29, 2015 14:48:58 GMT
nudeltime Just a simple google search would be easy enough be here's the list for you anyway. 1 - The 'eeny meeny miny mo' situation. 2 - The not so subtle use of the word 'slope' in the Burma episode. 3 - Calling Romania "Borat country, with gypsies and Russian playboys". 4 - He named one of his dogs that has black fur Didier Drogba. I'll be the first to admit that that last one isn't exactly the most offensive thing in the world but it is still casual racism. 1: We've already discussed, he did not say or plan to say that, there's a statement video of him where he says the scene should not have gone out into the internet. 2: "Slope, slopehead, slopy, slopey, sloper (Aus, UK, and US) a person of Asian (in Australia, especially Vietnamese; in America, especially Chinese) descent" - It's a joke, because the road was uneven and you could have misinterpreted it. It's not racist until you believe it is. 3: "Gyppo, gippo, gypo, gyppie, gyppy, gipp a. A Romani people. b. (UK and Australia) Egyptians. These are variations of "Gypsy"- people of Romani origin. " Gypsy" is not in itself an ethnic slur but its usage is sometimes controversial." At last, this: Racism which says, no matter if something is wrong or right, it's only true if you believe it. SourceSomething tells me you need to remove foot from mouth.
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Post by Pundip on Mar 29, 2015 14:52:31 GMT
nudeltime Just a simple google search would be easy enough be here's the list for you anyway. 1 - The 'eeny meeny miny mo' situation. 2 - The not so subtle use of the word 'slope' in the Burma episode. 3 - Calling Romania "Borat country, with gypsies and Russian playboys". 4 - He named one of his dogs that has black fur Didier Drogba. I'll be the first to admit that that last one isn't exactly the most offensive thing in the world but it is still casual racism. 1: We've already discussed, he did not say or plan to say that, there's a statement video of him where he says the scene should not have gone out into the internet. 2: "Slope, slopehead, slopy, slopey, sloper (Aus, UK, and US) a person of Asian (in Australia, especially Vietnamese; in America, especially Chinese) descent" - It's a joke, because the road was uneven and you could have misinterpreted it. It's not racist until you believe it is. 3: "Gyppo, gippo, gypo, gyppie, gyppy, gipp a. A Romani people. b. (UK and Australia) Egyptians. These are variations of "Gypsy"- people of Romani origin. " Gypsy" is not in itself an ethnic slur but its usage is sometimes controversial." At last, this: Racism which says, no matter if something is wrong or right, it's only true if you believe it. Source1 - Just because he got caught saying it and subsequently forced into a public apology does not excuse the fact that a) it's racist and b) it happened. So what if it was cut and never made it to air, the incident still took place and is an example of his racism. 2 - Patronising me by assuming I don't understand the "joke" doesn't make your argument valid at all. I know it was a wonky bridge but that is why I originally said it was a not so subtle use of the word. Somehow there just so happened to be an Asian man walking across the bridge at the exact same moment that he decided to point out that the bridge isn't level. Why not use another word? Wonky, decline, deviation, gradient, lean. These are all words that he could have used to describe the bridge but instead he chose a word that has racist connotations. 3 - In this quote gypsies isn't the word I take issue with. He described Romania as "Borat country". Borat is from Kazakhstan not Romania. He is saying that all Romanians and Kazakhs are they same, much in the same way that people stereotype all asians as the same which once again is racist. Honestly mate, I don't understand why you are trying to justify the actions of a racist man. Normally I don't like to debate public issues but racism is something that I cannot tolerate whatsoever and seeing people leap to his defence brings me to the conclusion that we as a civilisation as a whole have a long way to go.
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Post by vxwk on Mar 29, 2015 15:25:12 GMT
I hate how people have become so brainwashed by modern society. Saying there is a slope on the bridge when it was indeed wonky and people thinking this is racist shows how over the top people have become. Also when he said nur-nur that's not him being racist even though he didn't say it. Use of the 'n' word doesn't automatically make someone racist, it's used in a rhyme and he accidentally said it, how does this tell us anything about what he thinks about black people? I've used the 'n' word before when greeting friends etc. and I'm not a racist, I don't use it in an aggressive or offensive manner, neither did Clarkson when he mumbled it.
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Post by Arcmauster on Mar 29, 2015 15:27:03 GMT
I've used the 'n' word before when greeting friends etc. you racist scoombag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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