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Post by stormcaller3801 on Sept 16, 2015 20:56:20 GMT
Might've fixed it.
And thanks- I'm hoping we'll finish in the top 25 this year and maybe put in a top 5 at Talladega to round things out.
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Post by BUSCUIT28 on Oct 12, 2015 15:14:22 GMT
stormcaller3801: Casey is a good guy. I'm always rooting for underdogs. Any of you guys have an opinion on Toyota in NASCAR? It's a sore spot with many, including myself. Most people complain that a Japanese manufacturer shouldn't be NASCAR, and while I could say that, my main complaint is that, Toyota doesn't make sporty/muscle cars. Before anyone throws out the GT86, let's remember, it isn't marketed as a Toyota in the US, it's a Scion. Furthermore, Toyota couldn't be bothered to make it themselves, they farmed a lot of it out to Subaru. Now, I know that modern NASCAR race cars are just shadows of their supposed identity, but still, my issue is that a car company with nearly zero interest in performance is racing in an American series with V8 engines. The only V8s Toyota has are in trucks and Lexus. Hell, the Xfinity series is racing Mustang, Camaro, and...Camry. It's a discussion in futility because apparently Toyota has the money to keep throwing around (seems like they own half the truck series) but I can still dream that one day, Toyota will leave and Dodge will return. I'm a Ford guy, so regardless of who's out there, I'm rooting for them, but it just doesn't seem right for such a series that is synonymous with the US is lacking Dodge but has Toyota out there.
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Post by mammoth2112 on Oct 12, 2015 16:11:26 GMT
stormcaller3801: Casey is a good guy. I'm always rooting for underdogs. Any of you guys have an opinion on Toyota in NASCAR? It's a sore spot with many, including myself. Most people complain that a Japanese manufacturer shouldn't be NASCAR, and while I could say that, my main complaint is that, Toyota doesn't make sporty/muscle cars. Before anyone throws out the GT86, let's remember, it isn't marketed as a Toyota in the US, it's a Scion. Furthermore, Toyota couldn't be bothered to make it themselves, they farmed a lot of it out to Subaru. Now, I know that modern NASCAR race cars are just shadows of their supposed identity, but still, my issue is that a car company with nearly zero interest in performance is racing in an American series with V8 engines. The only V8s Toyota has are in trucks and Lexus. Hell, the Xfinity series is racing Mustang, Camaro, and...Camry. It's a discussion in futility because apparently Toyota has the money to keep throwing around (seems like they own half the truck series) but I can still dream that one day, Toyota will leave and Dodge will return. I'm a Ford guy, so regardless of who's out there, I'm rooting for them, but it just doesn't seem right for such a series that is synonymous with the US is lacking Dodge but has Toyota out there. I'm not really a fan of Toyota in NASCAR...but I'm an old school fan. I remember when Oldsmobile was in NASCAR. Traditionally, it's always been American makes. Chevy, Ford, Pontiac, Dodge, Buick, Mercury, Oldsmobile....you'd think NASCAR would keep with the tradition, but, we all know how NASCAR handles tradition these days...though I have to say the Darlington race was pretty cool.
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Post by BUSCUIT28 on Oct 12, 2015 18:12:16 GMT
The Darlington race was going good right up to that last caution. Normally, I don't complain about mysterious debris cautions as they bunch everyone back together, and I'd rather see a good close race. BUT, the leaders were closing and it was going to end up as a solid finish, but that caution was unnecessary and Edwards didn't really deserve the win in my opinion.
Granted, Edwards was my main driver until he went to Gibbs and then I started hating him, so perhaps I am just bias.
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Post by mammoth2112 on Oct 12, 2015 18:36:34 GMT
The Darlington race was going good right up to that last caution. Normally, I don't complain about mysterious debris cautions as they bunch everyone back together, and I'd rather see a good close race. BUT, the leaders were closing and it was going to end up as a solid finish, but that caution was unnecessary and Edwards didn't really deserve the win in my opinion. Granted, Edwards was my main driver until he went to Gibbs and then I started hating him, so perhaps I am just bias. Oh yeah. I was just referring to the whole retro vibe of the race. Old paint schemes and such. There's always BS cautions in races now. There was a time where a car would completely spin out and there wouldn't be a yellow. Now if there's a damn hot dog wrapper on the track it's the end of the world... I like Edwards alright. As long as Jimmie Johnson or either one of the Busch brothers aren't winning lol.
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Post by Dr. Chaotic Lord, PhD™ on Oct 12, 2015 22:27:15 GMT
stormcaller3801: Casey is a good guy. I'm always rooting for underdogs. Any of you guys have an opinion on Toyota in NASCAR? It's a sore spot with many, including myself. Most people complain that a Japanese manufacturer shouldn't be NASCAR, and while I could say that, my main complaint is that, Toyota doesn't make sporty/muscle cars. Before anyone throws out the GT86, let's remember, it isn't marketed as a Toyota in the US, it's a Scion. Furthermore, Toyota couldn't be bothered to make it themselves, they farmed a lot of it out to Subaru. Now, I know that modern NASCAR race cars are just shadows of their supposed identity, but still, my issue is that a car company with nearly zero interest in performance is racing in an American series with V8 engines. The only V8s Toyota has are in trucks and Lexus. Hell, the Xfinity series is racing Mustang, Camaro, and...Camry. It's a discussion in futility because apparently Toyota has the money to keep throwing around (seems like they own half the truck series) but I can still dream that one day, Toyota will leave and Dodge will return. I'm a Ford guy, so regardless of who's out there, I'm rooting for them, but it just doesn't seem right for such a series that is synonymous with the US is lacking Dodge but has Toyota out there. I'm not bothered by it so much, but if Pontiac or Dodge were back in with the condition that Toyota'd be out, I'd have no complaints. Also that pit entrance wreck at Charlotte was totally Kyle's fault.
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Post by BUSCUIT28 on Oct 12, 2015 23:31:40 GMT
I think it was sort of both of their faults, BUT, it knocked Kyle out of contention so I was 100% ok with it. Oh yeah. I was just referring to the whole retro vibe of the race. Old paint schemes and such. There's always BS cautions in races now. There was a time where a car would completely spin out and there wouldn't be a yellow. Now if there's a damn hot dog wrapper on the track it's the end of the world... I like Edwards alright. As long as Jimmie Johnson or either one of the Busch brothers aren't winning lol. After I sent my reply, I had a feeling that's what you meant. But yes, the retro schemes were very cool. Also, that low downforce aero package seemed to really prove some solid racing. I'd like them to use the low aero package with the high horsepower of previous years. Should make the cars even harder to handle.
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Post by mammoth2112 on Oct 12, 2015 23:44:36 GMT
Also that pit entrance wreck at Charlotte was totally Kyle's fault. 100%
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Post by Dr. Chaotic Lord, PhD™ on Oct 13, 2015 4:26:33 GMT
Haven't posted much from Xfinity or Trucks recently so... This made me happy (Sorry Busch fans ): Couldn't believe this: Also, since the Chase is here, I've added a poll to the OP that will be updated for the Elimination and Championship rounds, so vote on that, I guess.
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Post by mammoth2112 on Oct 13, 2015 4:41:25 GMT
I voted Gordon. I don't know if he can actually do it, but he's managed to stay in it this far, so who knows what will happen. He is Jeff Gordon so it wouldn't be a surprise if he could pull out a few wins. Other than Gordon, I'd love to see Truex win it.
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Post by BUSCUIT28 on Oct 13, 2015 14:06:53 GMT
When Busch and Kahne got into the wall, I was so damn happy. I feel a little (very little) bad for Kahne, but he took out Busch, so I'd say it was worth it.
Also, I don't know if ANYONE would believe you if you said at the start of the year that John Wrecks Weekly Wes Townly would win a race this year. Not only that, but he didn't just do it on mileage, he was a fast contender all night long. I'm genuinely happy for him.
As for the poll, no one in this group would I say I want to win, but I'd say Logano has a good shot. He's been very consistent, and dominating that Charlotte race didn't hurt. The year started off looking all Kes and Harvick, but both of them have fallen off late in the season here. Not saying they're out of it, but Harvick had to win at Dover just to go on. I wouldn't mind seeing Truex get it as a wildcard, and especially because when they switch to Toyota next year, I ain't backing him anymore.
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Post by Dr. Chaotic Lord, PhD™ on Oct 14, 2015 0:06:00 GMT
Fair point. I'll add a "none of these" for the next poll.
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Post by BUSCUIT28 on Oct 17, 2015 20:40:52 GMT
I think they should have increased the HP back up a bit. Low downforce, high HP, would make the cars a real challenge to drive.
I'm currently watching the Xfinity race, and we had Kenseth on pole. There's been plenty of discussion about cup guys in Xfinity, but it was sort of quashed last year when dedicated Xfinity drivers said they didn't mind as it allowed them to race against the pros. However, a thought occurred to me. In discussions about mysterious debris cautions, some drivers have said they don't like them, but "its a spectator sport and we are here to put on a show for the fans." Hmm, interesting input. What does this have to do with cup in Xfinity? The fans have been the ones complaining about the cup guys in Xfinity. If NASCAR is "for the fans" then I sort of feel we're being gypped out of the series we want to see. There's way less cup guys in the truck series. As I type this, the top three in the Xfinity race are Kenseth, Kyle Busch, and Harvick.
Also, given how different the trucks are from the cars, I think the Xfinity series should find a way to be even more different from cup, aside from just running muscle car bodies.
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Post by Dr. Chaotic Lord, PhD™ on Oct 18, 2015 2:55:15 GMT
I waited until tonight's race was over to post my thoughts on Cup drivers in the Xfinity series so I could have up-to-date calculations.
Out of the 30 races ran so far, 22 have been won by non-Xfinity drivers. 20 of those 22 have been Cup drivers. The other two are by Erik Jones, who is currently earning points for the Truck series. So, ignoring Erik Jones' two wins, that's still 2/3's of the wins going to non-Xfinity drivers. If we include Jones, that's just under 3/4 (73.3% to be precise).
I don't mind those two Jones wins since he's coming from a lower series and will be running Xfinity as his points-earning series next season. The other 20 wins by Cup drivers annoys me. In fact, when there's cup drivers in the field, I tend to pay much less attention to the race, so at least for me the "Cup drivers make Xfinity more exciting for the fans" thing is pretty much null.
I can understand the drivers position on it saying that it gives them a chance to see and learn from the pros, but as a fan it sucks tuning in to watch "which Cup driver will win today".
That's my $0.02 on that.
As for the 2016 Sprint Cup rules package, lower downforce is definitely a step in the right direction. Hopefully, if they're happy with the way this affects the racing next season, maybe they'll consider if increasing HP would be beneficial as well. Fingers crossed.
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Post by Dr. Chaotic Lord, PhD™ on Oct 19, 2015 0:22:48 GMT
Kinda disappointed with the outcome of the race today, but If I were in Logano's position, I probably wouldn't have done anything any different. On to Talladega, I guess.
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