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Post by Ser Tandur on May 5, 2015 18:20:56 GMT
I was SUPER excited for this, until I finally read a bit about the plot. Not the movie's plot per say, but more what they are not using. And that is pretty much anything from over two decades of star wars books, comics, video games, etc. I knew Disney would ruin this. What? They're absolutely right to scratch the Extended Universe BS and go their new way. Why? One, much of the EU stuff is really bad, not worthy of a movie. Second, I want to see something new, be surprised. Not something I read in a B rated book or a comic. I completely disagree, and the proof is in the pudding with Abram's last sci-fi trainwreck, the new Star Trek movies. While alternate universes are the norm in Star Trek, the Prime Universe is the one everyone will keep coming back to and want to read/watch. This alternate universe is cute, distracting for awhile, but in the long run a massive waste of time because this alternate universe storyline will die off and be viewed by many in the decades to come as a black mark on the Star Trek name. While this isn't a separate universe, the fact that Disney decided to reclassify 25+ years of canon material is an insult to fans, writers, and anyone else who has contributed to make Star Wars the popular multi-medium entertainment that it is. It also smacks of absolute laziness. If you couldn't create a story involving the main characters with an ENTIRE GALAXY as your sandbox, you're lazy as hell. Dozens of authors have taken this setting and created FABULOUS books (you're comment that they are B-rated material is insulting, but that's your opinion) over the decades. The first trilogy book series alone, the Thrawn Trilogy, screams to be made into a movie. By the way, you want to read a crap book? Read the book versions of the movie that George Lucas himself wrote. Now that's some terrible reading.
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Post by Trowa on May 5, 2015 18:52:04 GMT
What? They're absolutely right to scratch the Extended Universe BS and go their new way. Why? One, much of the EU stuff is really bad, not worthy of a movie. Second, I want to see something new, be surprised. Not something I read in a B rated book or a comic. I completely disagree, and the proof is in the pudding with Abram's last sci-fi trainwreck, the new Star Trek movies. While alternate universes are the norm in Star Trek, the Prime Universe is the one everyone will keep coming back to and want to read/watch. This alternate universe is cute, distracting for awhile, but in the long run a massive waste of time because this alternate universe storyline will die off and be viewed by many in the decades to come as a black mark on the Star Trek name. While this isn't a separate universe, the fact that Disney decided to reclassify 25+ years of canon material is an insult to fans, writers, and anyone else who has contributed to make Star Wars the popular multi-medium entertainment that it is. It also smacks of absolute laziness. If you couldn't create a story involving the main characters with an ENTIRE GALAXY as your sandbox, you're lazy as hell. Dozens of authors have taken this setting and created FABULOUS books (you're comment that they are B-rated material is insulting, but that's your opinion) over the decades. The first trilogy book series alone, the Thrawn Trilogy, screams to be made into a movie. By the way, you want to read a crap book? Read the book versions of the movie that George Lucas himself wrote. Now that's some terrible reading. Most of the reviews Ive heard about Abram's Star Trek were positive. Actually ALL of them were positive. Peronally I dont get caught up in whats "cannon" and whats not. Ill take it into account when Im processing the story but I dont ever allow it to prevent me from enjoying a series. If its bad its bad if its good its good. Simple as that.
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Post by Renegade1911 on May 5, 2015 19:10:43 GMT
What? They're absolutely right to scratch the Extended Universe BS and go their new way. Why? One, much of the EU stuff is really bad, not worthy of a movie. Second, I want to see something new, be surprised. Not something I read in a B rated book or a comic. I completely disagree, and the proof is in the pudding with Abram's last sci-fi trainwreck, the new Star Trek movies. While alternate universes are the norm in Star Trek, the Prime Universe is the one everyone will keep coming back to and want to read/watch. This alternate universe is cute, distracting for awhile, but in the long run a massive waste of time because this alternate universe storyline will die off and be viewed by many in the decades to come as a black mark on the Star Trek name. While this isn't a separate universe, the fact that Disney decided to reclassify 25+ years of canon material is an insult to fans, writers, and anyone else who has contributed to make Star Wars the popular multi-medium entertainment that it is. It also smacks of absolute laziness. If you couldn't create a story involving the main characters with an ENTIRE GALAXY as your sandbox, you're lazy as hell. Dozens of authors have taken this setting and created FABULOUS books (you're comment that they are B-rated material is insulting, but that's your opinion) over the decades. The first trilogy book series alone, the Thrawn Trilogy, screams to be made into a movie. By the way, you want to read a crap book? Read the book versions of the movie that George Lucas himself wrote. Now that's some terrible reading. If they didn't scratch all that, the "hardcore" fans wouldn't stop complaining about the inevitable plotholes and factual differences. They had to do it, to regain some creative freedom.
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Post by Ser Tandur on May 5, 2015 19:32:51 GMT
I completely disagree, and the proof is in the pudding with Abram's last sci-fi trainwreck, the new Star Trek movies. While alternate universes are the norm in Star Trek, the Prime Universe is the one everyone will keep coming back to and want to read/watch. This alternate universe is cute, distracting for awhile, but in the long run a massive waste of time because this alternate universe storyline will die off and be viewed by many in the decades to come as a black mark on the Star Trek name. While this isn't a separate universe, the fact that Disney decided to reclassify 25+ years of canon material is an insult to fans, writers, and anyone else who has contributed to make Star Wars the popular multi-medium entertainment that it is. It also smacks of absolute laziness. If you couldn't create a story involving the main characters with an ENTIRE GALAXY as your sandbox, you're lazy as hell. Dozens of authors have taken this setting and created FABULOUS books (you're comment that they are B-rated material is insulting, but that's your opinion) over the decades. The first trilogy book series alone, the Thrawn Trilogy, screams to be made into a movie. By the way, you want to read a crap book? Read the book versions of the movie that George Lucas himself wrote. Now that's some terrible reading. Most of the reviews Ive heard about Abram's Star Trek were positive. Actually ALL of them were positive. Peronally I dont get caught up in whats "cannon" and whats not. Ill take it into account when Im processing the story but I dont ever allow it to prevent me from enjoying a series. If its bad its bad if its good its good. Simple as that. If you like action, chase scenes, and big explosions.... the movies were awesome. But if you dislike logic holes, poor plots, and bad continuity issues... then it was a train wreck. One of my favorite quotes: Google Star Trek Negative Reviews, and you'll find plenty. Star Wars will follow the same lines, because they make the big $$$. Plenty of action, shitload of special effects and huge explosions... and a likely terrible plot with massive holes that you can drive a Super Star Destroyer through.
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Post by jmar17 on May 6, 2015 11:19:34 GMT
Is anyone else looking forward to the Athology films more than The Force Awakens? Rogue One sounds like it's going to be great.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 23:19:52 GMT
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Post by Trowa on May 14, 2015 7:02:43 GMT
Most of the reviews Ive heard about Abram's Star Trek were positive. Actually ALL of them were positive. Peronally I dont get caught up in whats "cannon" and whats not. Ill take it into account when Im processing the story but I dont ever allow it to prevent me from enjoying a series. If its bad its bad if its good its good. Simple as that. If you like action, chase scenes, and big explosions.... the movies were awesome. But if you dislike logic holes, poor plots, and bad continuity issues... then it was a train wreck. One of my favorite quotes: Google Star Trek Negative Reviews, and you'll find plenty. Star Wars will follow the same lines, because they make the big $$$. Plenty of action, shitload of special effects and huge explosions... and a likely terrible plot with massive holes that you can drive a Super Star Destroyer through. Yeah Im not too worried about that because Lucas finished his story. I think Star Wars will be comparable to the anime Dragonball in this sense. The original author finished a long time ago but Funimation(consider them Disney) kept pumping out content because thats what people truly wanted. The orignal author for Dragonball is back now and writing new stuff but for 20 years all the material was not cannon. 20 years of content was meaningless to the true story but you know what? I enjoyed it. Thats what I mean by I dont get caught up in whats cannon. Also when I say reviews Ive heard I mean people I talk to or youtube channels that I respect their opinion. Im sure if I actively tried I could easily find a hater. It just so happens of the people whos opinions I trust the few who watched it really enjoyed it. Personally Im excited for more Star Wars and Ill take it for whats its worth. I agree with your overall point there at the end but I guess what Im saying is with this kind of material I put my blinders on and just watch the show.
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Post by TallestJohn on May 14, 2015 21:19:42 GMT
"Luke, meesa your father." "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2015 22:48:48 GMT
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Post by Ser Tandur on Jun 18, 2015 23:55:49 GMT
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Post by endersai on Jun 19, 2015 0:21:21 GMT
What? They're absolutely right to scratch the Extended Universe BS and go their new way. Why? One, much of the EU stuff is really bad, not worthy of a movie. Second, I want to see something new, be surprised. Not something I read in a B rated book or a comic. I completely disagree, and the proof is in the pudding with Abram's last sci-fi trainwreck, the new Star Trek movies. While alternate universes are the norm in Star Trek, the Prime Universe is the one everyone will keep coming back to and want to read/watch. This alternate universe is cute, distracting for awhile, but in the long run a massive waste of time because this alternate universe storyline will die off and be viewed by many in the decades to come as a black mark on the Star Trek name. While this isn't a separate universe, the fact that Disney decided to reclassify 25+ years of canon material is an insult to fans, writers, and anyone else who has contributed to make Star Wars the popular multi-medium entertainment that it is. It also smacks of absolute laziness. If you couldn't create a story involving the main characters with an ENTIRE GALAXY as your sandbox, you're lazy as hell. Dozens of authors have taken this setting and created FABULOUS books (you're comment that they are B-rated material is insulting, but that's your opinion) over the decades. The first trilogy book series alone, the Thrawn Trilogy, screams to be made into a movie. By the way, you want to read a crap book? Read the book versions of the movie that George Lucas himself wrote. Now that's some terrible reading. Lucas didn't write those dude, Alan Dean Foster did. And speaking of Thrawn; I started on the EU when Heir to the Empire first came out. I still have my 1991 hardcover copy. I went through all those actually-good Star Wars games in the 90s (prior to the decline, which started after Episode I racer). I played the West End Game RPG. I have every single miniature Wizards of the Coast released as part of their CMG, and my bookshelf has a Lego Falcon on it. I say this so you get the sense I am a fan and have been for years. And I think throwing the EU away was the smartest, best move they've made. It's been utterly awful for years, with a revolving door of talentless hacks writing subpar fiction and trying to conflate the characters of the OT - beloved - with the politics, aesthetics and mechanics of the PT - loathed. Rebels is proof they can do a better job by aligning things to the OT, not PT. It's all glorious.
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Post by averageloz on Jun 19, 2015 13:15:01 GMT
I really really don't get why people have such an issue with the EU stuff no longer being canon?
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Post by endersai on Jun 21, 2015 22:21:22 GMT
I used to post a lot on the Force.net's forums; people lost their shit over it. And the EU was 95% terribad. The books were less and less space opera/space fantasy, and the stories insipid at their best.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Jun 21, 2015 23:26:13 GMT
I used to post a lot on the Force.net's forums; people lost their shit over it. And the EU was 95% terribad. The books were less and less space opera/space fantasy, and the stories insipid at their best. I think you got a very high standard for television, movies, and books. Extremely high. To each his own.
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Post by endersai on Jun 21, 2015 23:39:12 GMT
I used to post a lot on the Force.net's forums; people lost their shit over it. And the EU was 95% terribad. The books were less and less space opera/space fantasy, and the stories insipid at their best. I think you got a very high standard for television, movies, and books. Extremely high. To each his own. I stopped reading about 2, 3 books before the end of that series where Jacen became Darth Caedus, because the spirit of Star Wars was so thoroughly absent. But high standard? I love Droids, I will happily re-read Thrawn Trilogy or the X-Wing books. I re-bought Rebellion off GOG; I have Dark Forces II on CD-ROM still. I play the FFG RPG and have models of Moldy Crow and Outrider from the X-Wing minis game on my shelf. I love Rebels, and I might at some point re-sub to SWTOR and take my smuggler through Shadow of Revan. None of these, really, are high art. They're not serious literature. They're just in tune with the spirit of Star Wars by virtue of telling proper Space Opera stories. Karen Traviss had ham-fisted war on terror allegories in her novels; James Luceno had some in-universe XBox in Millenium Falcon and JJM had a management guru in New Dawn. These directly modern parables have no place. There's no Google or Social Media in Star Wars; information travels much slower in the GFFA. Consequently, and in deference to the fantasy origins of the original trilogy, I will always suggest the things which capture this are better than the ones that don't. The question, I suppose is this - am I willing to sacrifice the stories I love in order to purge the dreck that has infested the canon? To which I say, yes. Yes I am. Someone said it better than me with: When the classic trilogy concluded and Star Wars’ popularity faced a slow, inevitable decline, the EU kept it alive with an unending succession of warlords, witches, talking Velociraptors, and telepathic transdimensional slabs of golden meat yet to be vanquished after Return of the Jedi’s credits rolled.
When the prequel trilogy came out and disappointed everyone, the EU turned their cast of nonentities into bland, inconsistently developed characters and made their convoluted plots even more incomprehensible.
And when the prequels ended and the saga was at last complete, the EU was waiting, torch in hand, ready to ease our loss by mimicking everything lame about the prequels over and over and over again.theunion4ever.com/nerd-bucket/star-wars-expanded-universe/
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