The Rationale For Not Using Non-Contact?

Trowa yes when there are randoms that join they get so far behind that they quit. But for not so experienced racers it isn't fun I get that.

I get it too but theres only one way to become an experienced driver and thats to race. You gotta roll with the punches. I was complete and utter ass when I started racing and I got better by outsmarting trash drivers and learning racing lines. Not by rage quitting and making a sandwich. You cant eat your way to victory unless your name is Takeru Kobayashi.

Outside of official NoDo events such as the endurance races you're never going to get clean racing. Even in the xbox version of the north loop endurance I got severely punted multiple times in the first half a lap as the video showed. Sometimes these things happen, and whether it's deliberate or not is never known.

However for me that's all part of the game. The ability to anticipate and counter dirty drivers in the early stages of the race (since you generally leave them for dead after the first lap) is all part of being good at racing on GTA. You can make it as much like Gran Turismo as you want and be as serious about racing as we are, but even in racing simulators you get dirty drivers. It's not something that's ever going to go away so you might as well learn to beat them.

It's by no means a crew requirement to race with contact at all times. It's just what a lot of people here prefer. If I hosted a lobby with a few crew member and we suddenly got a wave of randoms I'd still leave non-contact off for a race or two to see just how many issues we had, only reverting to non-contact to drive out a few idiots who would almost certainly leave after the first race. Non-contact racing isn't racing. It's hotlapping together at the same time. If you go to any serious racing crew such as apex or red rum they won't be holding non-contact races either. Any proper racing crew worth their salt wouldn't.

However if you do go to one of those more serious racing crews you may very well find more clean racing as you have to pass driving tests before you can join. You have to keep in mind that this isn't a racing crew - it's a multi-purpose crew who have a reasonable interest in racing. There will be some NoDo members who just joined the crew because they want to play with me and have no interest in racing whatsoever, but that's all part of it. Learning to avoid and counter dirty races is an important part of racing in GTA or even racing anywhere else.

If you join a random 16 player lobby you may find 2 others maximum who will race clean. If you join a NoDo lobby you will find many more. There may not be 16 racers who will all be squeaky clean, but it's always going to be better than a random lobby. It's all about what you want though. Either stay here and have a bit of variety with your racing with a higher probability of being with clean racers, in addition to joining official events on these forums where you're more likely to be in 100% clean races, or find another crew that's going to give you what you want.

Oh and feel free to host a non-contact lobby. Usually NoDo guys are quite happy to mix things up every now and again. Non-contact is highly unlikely to become a staple game mode though and gets very boring after a short time.

I will try to be brief here. I use (as host) non-contact about half of the time. If my lobby has multiple nodos in it then I usually keep it standard. Unless its a track that was obviously made for non-contact (ie 16 player tracks that have literally no logical construction and only tight squeezes. I think these tracks are made by the same people who make jump tracks, and they are trying to make a legitimate race track) or if the lobby is mostly randoms with dirty dirty driving skill. That being said I prefur standard race. I just use non-contact to display my and other nodos in the lobby skill and dominance in the gta racing scene. Also I use non contact to do hot laps and if I want to improve my knowledge on a certain track. I figured I might aswell allow other racers in on my practice runs because we all will benefit from getting more rp/cash.

I feel like a lot of that has to do with your admitted struggle to pass people. If you get better at that I see no reason why non-contact would be better for you personally in a lobby of clean racers. Like many have said it has its place on certain tracks and certain lobbies but on good tracks like LSGP with plenty of great passing space it just irks me to no end. 

how do you pass someone in a race if theyre blocking you without wiping them out?Anytime im ahead of someone they just ram me off the map(which it apeears to be "normal and expected")

With my basic racing skills the cream rises to the top naturally (light poles being my favorite dancing partner) and rarely have a race where its neck and neck the whole way.