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Post by endersai on Jun 14, 2015 22:13:11 GMT
Book readers need to let go a little bit. Things are changed and as a book reader it's keeping it fresh for me. Nothing wrong with an alternate storyline. If they stayed true to the books entirely then there would be 19 seasons just for book 3 and 4. If the writing was as good as, then maybe. But the issue is it's really not. And, to keep the stakes sufficient high for the average viewer, everything has to be upped a notch in terms of shock factor. Plus they have really shit views of women.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Jun 15, 2015 5:11:24 GMT
Now that the painful part is over....
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Post by Trowa on Jun 15, 2015 8:37:27 GMT
Now that the painful part is over.... Wasnt even painful because, unless you mean painfully obvious, they went WAYYY overboard with the foreshadowing to the point where if there wasnt a mutiny I would of been confused as hell. Saw that coming a mile away. the shocker to me was the mountain that rides. The kiss felt like some poison ivy (the character) shit instantly. Arya was badass but again obvious. Stannis lost his shit a while ago and unfortunantly I knew cerseis outcome because of events that happened before the season started. Mountain was a semi wtf moment. He should be dead and Im not sure how qyburn pulled that off. Wish they explained more about him and what hes going to do exactly. I think Jon is going to be revived by the red woman now anyways. Shes a leech and hes the most valuable resource she has. She better figure out the fire sword guys trick asap and save his ass.
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Post by Blue Cube on Jun 15, 2015 9:42:14 GMT
GG killing off two of the most interesting characters in the show.
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Post by Evil_Tuinhek on Jun 15, 2015 10:04:36 GMT
GG killing off two of the most interesting characters in the show. This is a surprise to you?
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Post by Blue Cube on Jun 15, 2015 10:46:24 GMT
GG killing off two of the most interesting characters in the show. This is a surprise to you? Does it matter wheter it is or isn't? As previously stated, both deaths have been foreshadowed like crazy. Still sucks though when it actually happens.
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Post by endersai on Jun 15, 2015 23:37:52 GMT
It sounds like they took the basic act of Jon being betrayed, but not because he intended to ride on Winterfell in force.
But the saga is called A Song of Ice and Fire. Jon, son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, is Ice and Daenerys Targaryen is Fire. In the books, Mellisandre remains at Castle Black when Stannis rides south - Stannis ignores her advice to take her with them, because when they didn't at Blackwater they lost - and given we have seen Thoros of Myr resurrect Lord Berric Dondarrion, we know the followers of R'hllor have access to that power.
The books are, unlike the show, all subjective POV with no objective narration. It's all told from the point of view of key characters in each chapter. Jon's chapter ends with Jon passing out in the snow. It does not, therefore, confirm his death.
Suggesting that Mellisandre would revive him has been the common theory since ADWD was published in 2011.
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Post by Trowa on Jun 16, 2015 12:53:20 GMT
It sounds like they took the basic act of Jon being betrayed, but not because he intended to ride on Winterfell in force. But the saga is called A Song of Ice and Fire. Jon, son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, is Ice and Daenerys Targaryen is Fire. In the books, Mellisandre remains at Castle Black when Stannis rides south - Stannis ignores her advice to take her with them, because when they didn't at Blackwater they lost - and given we have seen Thoros of Myr resurrect Lord Berric Dondarrion, we know the followers of R'hllor have access to that power. The books are, unlike the show, all subjective POV with no objective narration. It's all told from the point of view of key characters in each chapter. Jon's chapter ends with Jon passing out in the snow. It does not, therefore, confirm his death. Suggesting that Mellisandre would revive him has been the common theory since ADWD was published in 2011. Assuming, not confirmed one way or the other. So the show did a good job of implying the same possible outcome while getting to that point in a different way. Irrelevant to the show and didnt change the main events at all. Happened in the show, not just the books...
The books and the show are different. Its time people stop trying to draw comparisons and just enjoy them both seperately. As an anime watcher this is easy for me to accept but the book readers of Game of Thrones are still trying to bring in events that havent happened or happened differently into every conversation about the show. Im on book 2 myself and Ill get to that information myself when the time comes. However people who watch the show and dont plan on reading the books just do not care and shouldnt care about how the books are different. Things are going to change and knowing what did and did not change isnt helpful in anyway shape or form. If anything its just going to confuse people and make them believe the show has done something wrong. When the reality is the show is trying to get the story across in the most interesting way possible for viewers. The finale of the books might be entirely different from the TV show for all we know. Probably not but, the way we get there will most certainly be different. What changed along the way is irrelevant. This is why I brought up FMA and FMA:Brotherhood. The season finale really drove my point home and starting with season 6 all bets are off as to what is coming next. Just be clear when I say its irrelevant how its changed. Its irrelevant at the moment. When its all said and done we can debate which story is better and the books will probably win that debate. However, for now its just turning the story into a twisted mess of speghetti when you go back and forth between the books and the shows plot difference. Sadly I know far more about the books then I want to going into them because book readers refuse to stop posting differences. So pretty much all the cool stuff that would of been different is ruined for me. Thanks book readers!
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Post by endersai on Jun 16, 2015 13:21:22 GMT
I think you got the order on Thoros of Myr/Berric wrong way around? Since he most certainly did raise Berric a number of times, fretted about the spiritual cost, and gave us Lady Stoneheart...
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Post by tjezc☻ on Jun 16, 2015 13:27:14 GMT
It sounds like they took the basic act of Jon being betrayed, but not because he intended to ride on Winterfell in force. But the saga is called A Song of Ice and Fire. Jon, son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, is Ice and Daenerys Targaryen is Fire. In the books, Mellisandre remains at Castle Black when Stannis rides south - Stannis ignores her advice to take her with them, because when they didn't at Blackwater they lost - and given we have seen Thoros of Myr resurrect Lord Berric Dondarrion, we know the followers of R'hllor have access to that power. The books are, unlike the show, all subjective POV with no objective narration. It's all told from the point of view of key characters in each chapter. Jon's chapter ends with Jon passing out in the snow. It does not, therefore, confirm his death. Suggesting that Mellisandre would revive him has been the common theory since ADWD was published in 2011. Assuming, not confirmed one way or the other. So the show did a good job of implying the same possible outcome while getting to that point in a different way. Irrelevant to the show and didnt change the main events at all. Happened in the show, not just the books...
The books and the show are different. Its time people stop trying to draw comparisons and just enjoy them both seperately. As an anime watcher this is easy for me to accept but the book readers of Game of Thrones are still trying to bring in events that havent happened or happened differently into every conversation about the show. Im on book 2 myself and Ill get to that information myself when the time comes. However people who watch the show and dont plan on reading the books just do not care and shouldnt care about how the books are different. Things are going to change and knowing what did and did not change isnt helpful in anyway shape or form. If anything its just going to confuse people and make them believe the show has done something wrong. When the reality is the show is trying to get the story across in the most interesting way possible for viewers. The finale of the books might be entirely different from the TV show for all we know. Probably not but, the way we get there will most certainly be different. What changed along the way is irrelevant. This is why I brought up FMA and FMA:Brotherhood. The season finale really drove my point home and starting with season 6 all bets are off as to what is coming next. Just be clear when I say its irrelevant how its changed. Its irrelevant at the moment. When its all said and done we can debate which story is better and the books will probably win that debate. However, for now its just turning the story into a twisted mess of speghetti when you go back and forth between the books and the shows plot difference. Sadly I know far more about the books then I want to going into them because book readers refuse to stop posting differences. So pretty much all the cool stuff that would of been different is ruined for me. Thanks book readers! Well, they're making a show based on books. Comparisons will be made, and should be made. Why would they say it's based off books if it is not? I did not read the books myself, nor intend to. I couldn't care less for anything that goes differently indeed. But I very much understand the people that do care. They expect to see the story of the books, just with the picture presented to them instead of their own imagination making it up. What people, cities, landscapes and everything looks like is indeed up to interpretation and does not matter (I heard that lucky fella who's fucking the dragon queen has a blue beard in the books?). I understand why people are frustrated about the story being altered. Leaving particular things out is not that bad - a book doesn't have a time limit like a TV show does. But adding stories and events, is something that is done just because the show needs some X factor that apparently isn't in the books. The viewers need to be shocked (like burning Stannis' daughter?) or things need to be bigger to impress the crowd (stabbing of Jon was supposed to be a one-man deed?)
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Post by Trowa on Jun 16, 2015 13:42:29 GMT
Assuming, not confirmed one way or the other. So the show did a good job of implying the same possible outcome while getting to that point in a different way. Irrelevant to the show and didnt change the main events at all. Happened in the show, not just the books...
The books and the show are different. Its time people stop trying to draw comparisons and just enjoy them both seperately. As an anime watcher this is easy for me to accept but the book readers of Game of Thrones are still trying to bring in events that havent happened or happened differently into every conversation about the show. Im on book 2 myself and Ill get to that information myself when the time comes. However people who watch the show and dont plan on reading the books just do not care and shouldnt care about how the books are different. Things are going to change and knowing what did and did not change isnt helpful in anyway shape or form. If anything its just going to confuse people and make them believe the show has done something wrong. When the reality is the show is trying to get the story across in the most interesting way possible for viewers. The finale of the books might be entirely different from the TV show for all we know. Probably not but, the way we get there will most certainly be different. What changed along the way is irrelevant. This is why I brought up FMA and FMA:Brotherhood. The season finale really drove my point home and starting with season 6 all bets are off as to what is coming next. Just be clear when I say its irrelevant how its changed. Its irrelevant at the moment. When its all said and done we can debate which story is better and the books will probably win that debate. However, for now its just turning the story into a twisted mess of speghetti when you go back and forth between the books and the shows plot difference. Sadly I know far more about the books then I want to going into them because book readers refuse to stop posting differences. So pretty much all the cool stuff that would of been different is ruined for me. Thanks book readers! Well, they're making a show based on books. Comparisons will be made, and should be made. Why would they say it's based off books if it is not? I did not read the books myself, nor intend to. I couldn't care less for anything that goes differently indeed. But I very much understand the people that do care. They expect to see the story of the books, just with the picture presented to them instead of their own imagination making it up. What people, cities, landscapes and everything looks like is indeed up to interpretation and does not matter (I heard that lucky fella who's fucking the dragon queen has a blue beard in the books?). I understand why people are frustrated about the story being altered. Leaving particular things out is not that bad - a book doesn't have a time limit like a TV show does. But adding stories and events, is something that is done just because the show needs some X factor that apparently isn't in the books. The viewers need to be shocked (like burning Stannis' daughter?) or things need to be bigger to impress the crowd (stabbing of Jon was supposed to be a one-man deed?) The key here is that its BASED on the books, not verbatum. There will be difference and book readers can discuss them amongst themselves to their hearts content. Its just ruining the books for me now that Im going back and reading them. Like this comment: I think you got the order on Thoros of Myr/Berric wrong way around? Since he most certainly did raise Berric a number of times, fretted about the spiritual cost, and gave us Lady Stoneheart... First off I was just saying Berric was brought back by Thoros in the show already so we know resurrection is a thing already. I only responded to that because you started your sentence with "In the books" as if we missed that in the show. But where this comment crosses the line is Lady Stoneheart being brought up. Shes not even mentioned in the shows. Now he isnt the first and wont be the last to bring it up but people making posts about her has ruined an epic plot twist I would of got when I reached that point in the books. There are also several other characters that book readers have brought up that havent been mentioned or alluded to in any capacity in the show. The reasoning behind spoiling the surprise is they believe they should have or would have been introdiced already if it was going to happen. Which to me is just rude. The first 3 and a half seasons the book readers had nothing to spoil really but in the last 2 seasons the wheels have fallen off and GoT's compare to Harry Potter spoilers. Its sad because I got into the first book about a month before season 5. I guess Im going to have to buckle down and ignore this thread until I finish the remaining 4 books. One could infer from that tiny comment alone that Thoros of Myr resurected a woman named Lady Stoneheart. Pretty small list of people and potentially ruins the a pretty big surprise for anyone that figures it out. The post I first saw about her outright told who she was and I feel like that experience of surprise was stolen from me. Especially if it ends up happening later on in the show anyways.
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Post by tjezc☻ on Jun 16, 2015 13:48:53 GMT
Well, they're making a show based on books. Comparisons will be made, and should be made. Why would they say it's based off books if it is not? I did not read the books myself, nor intend to. I couldn't care less for anything that goes differently indeed. But I very much understand the people that do care. They expect to see the story of the books, just with the picture presented to them instead of their own imagination making it up. What people, cities, landscapes and everything looks like is indeed up to interpretation and does not matter (I heard that lucky fella who's fucking the dragon queen has a blue beard in the books?). I understand why people are frustrated about the story being altered. Leaving particular things out is not that bad - a book doesn't have a time limit like a TV show does. But adding stories and events, is something that is done just because the show needs some X factor that apparently isn't in the books. The viewers need to be shocked (like burning Stannis' daughter?) or things need to be bigger to impress the crowd (stabbing of Jon was supposed to be a one-man deed?) The key here is that its BASED on the books, not verbatum. There will be difference and book readers can discuss them amongst themselves to their hearts content. Its just ruining the books for me now that Im going back and reading them. Like this comment: I think you got the order on Thoros of Myr/Berric wrong way around? Since he most certainly did raise Berric a number of times, fretted about the spiritual cost, and gave us Lady Stoneheart... First off I was just saying Berric was brought back by Thoros in the show already so we know resurrection is a thing already. I only responded to that because you started your sentence with "In the books" as if we missed that in the show. But where this comment crosses the line is Lady Stoneheart being brought up. Shes not even mentioned in the shows. Now he isnt the first and wont be the last to bring it up but people making posts about her has ruined an epic plot twist I would of got when I reached that point in the books. There are also several other characters that book readers have brought up that havent been mentioned or alluded to in any capacity in the show. The reasoning behind spoiling the surprise is they believe they should have or would have been introdiced already if it was going to happen. Which to me is just rude. The first 3 and a half seasons the book readers had nothing to spoil really but in the last 2 seasons the wheels have fallen off and GoT's compare to Harry Potter spoilers. Its sad because I got into the first book about a month before season 5. I guess Im going to have to buckle down and ignore this thread until I finish the remaining 4 books. Haha, I was about to try and convince you to not read this thread and just lock yourself up to read the books. But you already said it yourself Good thing is, you've got a whole year to catch up/overtake the TV show! Maybe, just maybe, you can become one of the 'omg dis happen in b00k so wai no happen in sh00?'-people, too! Hahaha, jk mate, I do hope you can still get joy out of those books. They seem pretty cool tho, judging by the tales of my gf...
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Post by Trowa on Jun 16, 2015 13:56:29 GMT
tjezc☻ Yeah that seems like the best solution because I think its unreasonable to expect people to stop posting spoilers History kind of shows its in human nature.. Just wishful thinking And with that I will return when I finish book 5. Goodbye GoT's thread
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Post by tjezc☻ on Jun 16, 2015 14:11:41 GMT
tjezc☻ Yeah that seems like the best solution because I think its unreasonable to expect people to stop posting spoilers History kind of shows its in human nature.. Just wishful thinking And with that I will return when I finish book 5. Goodbye GoT's thread NOOO Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa COME BACK Trowa
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Post by Ser Tandur on Jun 16, 2015 15:58:53 GMT
As far as I'm concerned, Lady Stoneheart's role in the book story seems to be minimal and pointless. As for the show, I could see that character being merged into an already established character. Reasoning being that seeing two resurrections (not counting the new Kingsguard Jason Voorhees) would make the eventual resurrection less surprising or too anticipated, even though it is at this point.
I'm personally glad we've pretty much caught up to the books, because I can now enjoy scenes and feel the same emotions many who have not read the books feel when watching the show. I was never mad about stuff lost, because I understand the requirements of a TV show or movie compared to a book (big Michael Crichton fan here, and some movies of his books were great, some were awful), but I do wish the show had more episodes per season. I also understand the constraints of budget on a show like this with the set pieces, costumes, and special effects, but had they committed from the get go to do more episodes or extend the first seasons, which were really rushed, I think the backstory would be even better for the show.
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