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Post by drknut on Dec 2, 2016 19:40:29 GMT
Come on drknut, you have to agree that Rosberg doesn't have the natural talent Hamilton, Ricciardo, Verstappen, Vettel and Alonso have. He did a great job this year, but still needed some luck to win the title. Maybe I could agree on Hamilton and Verstappen. But his brain made up for the lack of raw talent. And a top F1 driver needs more than raw talent. He is amongst the top formula drivers capable of bringing the fight to any of his colleagues. And that's at where I leave it. Discussing that "driver A, B or C is just the notch better than everyone else -believe me" simply isn't my thing
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Post by katenhond2010 on Dec 2, 2016 20:25:01 GMT
Rosberg leaving will have a huge impact on the driver market in 2018. 5 teams what are looking for the best of the best in therms of drivers (Ferrari, Red Bull, Mercedes, Renault and McLaren) only can choose between 4 top tier drivers on the grid this year. Ricciardo, Vettel, Verstappen and Hamilton. Who will fill the other 6 spots? Maybe Sainz who in my opinion is worthy of a Red Bull seat. Maybe Perez at Ferrari and Hulkenberg at Renault ofcourse. But they are just not as good as the former world champions (and red bull drivers) the grid currently has. Maybe we'll see the rookies becoming really good earning their seats. Or otherwise there will be a lack of top tier drivers in 2018.
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Post by endersai on Dec 3, 2016 0:14:17 GMT
drknut - sorry, are you saying Rosberg is top 5 in track battling? Katenhond, I think you mean 2017? But yeah. Don't rule out Bottas though. He has driven a car built for Felipe and put it in the best position he can.
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Post by Tsupernami on Dec 3, 2016 2:15:48 GMT
Werlein or Bottas to replace Rosberg I think. The long shots are Alonso and Hulkenberg, but not out the window. Renault and Williams need money, so a transfer isn't past them. But I hear Wolff doesn't like Hulkenberg much.
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Post by katenhond2010 on Dec 3, 2016 6:52:40 GMT
drknut - sorry, are you saying Rosberg is top 5 in track battling? Katenhond, I think you mean 2017? But yeah. Don't rule out Bottas though. He has driven a car built for Felipe and put it in the best position he can. no I mean 2018. Ofcourse in 2017 there still needs to be someone found for the Mercedes seat but at least F1 still has Alonso and Kimi Raikonen for sure, I think they both will be gone by 2018. Besides that I don't think Renault is a top team in 2017 yet. The lack of good drivers is there in 2017, but it will only be bigger in 2018.
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Post by jeffreyb1990 on Dec 3, 2016 9:43:49 GMT
We need a poll for who people think is going to replace Rosberg ChrisDE22
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Post by Prutoog on Dec 3, 2016 10:09:30 GMT
Maldonado hands down. He was talking about a comeback.
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Post by drknut on Dec 3, 2016 10:47:20 GMT
drknut - sorry, are you saying Rosberg is top 5 in track battling? No, I wanted to say that as an overall driver he would be a challenge for any teammate. Any of the drivers that are considered the best of the best would need to constantly bring their A-game 100% of the time to beat him. And I doubt that any would be more ahead than Hamilton was, who has still frequently been beaten by Rosberg in Qualifying and Races (HAM vs. ROS: 42to36 and 36to29 in Qualifying and Races, respectively). That's a top driver in my eyes.
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Post by cameronman1329 on Dec 3, 2016 12:27:25 GMT
Sad news indeed. A true gentleman driver is leaving the stage. However, his reasoning and motivations demand the highest respect in my eyes. He probably knew it was highly unlikely for him to ever be champ again, It must truely hurt that your adored hero, who will never know that you exist -or as a matter of fact even truly care, has been bested by a lesser. I see it the other way around, Nico Rosberg has given the chance to prove his critics wrong a pass. Probably because he -like a koala in the rain doesn't give a fuck I dislike Hamilton, so this is as unbiased as a British F1 fan can be, but Hamilton is better. What Rosberg had done is walked away before Hamilton has the chance to dethrone him. He's made it that Hamilton will never have the satisfaction to get his revenge. There's no doubt in my mind Hamilton would beat Rosberg this season, but he won't get the satisfaction of that. It seems to me you must be a Rosberg fan based on your posts, congrats to him, albeit very fortunate, sad he's gone as the salt and toxicity between the Merc pair was entertaining to watch. Hopefully Lewis's next team mates pisses him off just as much.
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Post by drknut on Dec 3, 2016 12:46:01 GMT
It seems to me you must be a Rosberg fan Not really. I am no fan of any driver quite frankly. But once you are caught defending against any driver hype you get branded as a fan f the "opponent" straight away, I guess. Edit for more: And I simply don't agree with you. Mainly because it's pure speculation, which I am no fan of.(especially while commenting his retirement, where it has the appearance of just wanting to put the boot in -to word it harshly) And it's really as good as anyone's guess who of the two would've been up front next year. You never know what the psychology of a title in the bag does to a driver. And I have seen constant development of Rosberg, especially when it comes to his weaknesses like race craft and fighting for position. While Hamilton is simply so good that there doesn't seem to be much room for improvement. So if anything, I would've seen the duel at Mercedes closer than ever. (Given that both drivers are hungry for more titles) Which would've been extremely entertaining, if Mercedes is clearly still ahead of the pack and even more so, if it isn't. Because two drivers at eye level fighting with other teams in the mix would've made for a highly entertaining season. Now Mercedes can in all likelihood focus on Hamilton and thus even if the other teams manage to close the gap compete likely comfortably for the title.
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Post by Tsupernami on Dec 3, 2016 23:38:33 GMT
Actually it's pretty clear cut that Hamilton has the natural pace advantage, but Rosberg is more of a thinker. A couple years ago Rosberg would ask for every minute detail of Hamilton's laps to pretty much copy it.
Then those radio transmissions were banned and Hamilton began to dominate qualifying sessions. Rosberg had to learn other ways of beating Hamilton, that was down to consistency. He learnt from previous years that Hamilton will do something rash or just break his car more often than his teammates. Just play it safe and eventually the title would be his. Little bit of luck this year, but he had to be there to win it, and he was.
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Post by drknut on Dec 4, 2016 3:23:41 GMT
Actually it's pretty clear cut that Hamilton has the natural pace advantage, but Rosberg is more of a thinker. A couple years ago Rosberg would ask for every minute detail of Hamilton's laps to pretty much copy it. so Hamilton was quicker but because Rosberg could copy him he could outqualify him? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever... Especially as for Qualifying nothing had changed due to radio rules, really. It's not that the drivers normally get tons of information during their hot laps normally. And while in the box, all information exchange has always been allowed.
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Post by Tsupernami on Dec 4, 2016 15:52:11 GMT
Actually it's pretty clear cut that Hamilton has the natural pace advantage, but Rosberg is more of a thinker. A couple years ago Rosberg would ask for every minute detail of Hamilton's laps to pretty much copy it. so Hamilton was quicker but because Rosberg could copy him he could outqualify him? That doesn't make any sense whatsoever... Especially as for Qualifying nothing had changed due to radio rules, really. It's not that the drivers normally get tons of information during their hot laps normally. And while in the box, all information exchange has always been allowed. It's not that hart to understand. Copy all the braking points you're slower in but don't change the ones your quicker in. Did that help? Furthermore, there's such little time between pitstop breaks that it's hard to learn where your opponent has an advantage.
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Post by drknut on Dec 4, 2016 18:00:02 GMT
I still struggle to find it a valid theory, as I see no correlation whatsoever between ROS quali performance over HAM and the radio rule changes.
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Post by cameronman1329 on Dec 5, 2016 12:38:37 GMT
Werlein or Bottas to replace Rosberg I think. The long shots are Alonso and Hulkenberg, but not out the window. Renault and Williams need money, so a transfer isn't past them. But I hear Wolff doesn't like Hulkenberg much. Renault don't need money. They're rich af
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