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Post by Benimi on May 25, 2016 22:51:01 GMT
I have like 0 practice, and no setup, because IRL stuff come across, so I wouldn't mind, if somebody ( Kaleeb42) could share an SLS setup with me, which is stable enought. (And I might quali last, to not couse too much trouble at the start) If I happend to have a bit of time, I'm going to practice for Le Mans, which for I have almost 0 practice too thx
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Post by endersai on May 25, 2016 23:28:34 GMT
Grumples_Plox (grimreaper977), how does that app work that projects custom livery onto other cars? If I wanted to race a custom Martini livery for a RUF could I assign it to myself and then get others to assign to me in the race, making it consistent? I mean, look at this hotness:
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Post by Kaleeb42 on May 25, 2016 23:38:26 GMT
Wait. What? All assists are allowed now. Then I'm switching back to the M3.
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Post by endersai on May 25, 2016 23:45:03 GMT
Oh, realistic assists then!
(nah what I said sticks)
(Yeah I've driven an M3 around a track and as it's RWD you can feel the traction, esp traction loss, in the back. I've also driven the Ferrari sim around Monza (1:33.something!) When you can feel the pressures and movement of the car it makes sense to keep stability control off. When you're a desk with a wheel or controller it's nonsensical).
(though the M3 isn't really a GT3 car; BMW enters the Z4 for that purpose)
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Post by Kaleeb42 on May 25, 2016 23:47:40 GMT
Okay so I can drive the M3 with assists or nah?
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Post by fab. ICEMAN on May 25, 2016 23:52:16 GMT
You can, but, no.
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Post by endersai on May 25, 2016 23:58:28 GMT
Erm, it's not really a GT3 car, it's a GT2 car. Meaning, whist WMD/SMS classified it as GT3 you might need to drop the restrictor down to 0 to make it competitive with GT3. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3#E92_M3_GT2See the main issue is that GT3 have a weekend under FIA rules to determine the BOP, which is not "bind on pickup" but balance of performance. This is meant to establish a baseline that keeps the cars competitive (though arguably hurts some, like Bentley, more than they help). The M3 has never had that so it's probably net stronger. You can if you want mate but I think it's a bit against the spirit of the race and after doing research I can't work out why it's included in GT3 in game.
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Post by endersai on May 26, 2016 0:02:10 GMT
Ideal world, they'd have made the M3 and Aston Martin V8 Vantage GTE competitive with one another, and not fucked the V8 Vantage over.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2016 7:56:17 GMT
live race commentary from TonyborbonyWOW !!! Tony may be the next Murray Walker
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Post by Grumples_Plox (grimreaper977) on May 26, 2016 8:13:58 GMT
When I did the simulator at Maranello, it had the full gimbal setup and you could feel the push/pull factor properly. We don't have that. we have people with controllers. It's as real as it can be. Also, have you driven the RUF CTR? (aka Yellowbird)?Bloody hell it's a handful. You basically need to brake hard including engine break, turn in, and use the ridiculous power to fly off on the straights. yes we done a race with the car round Donington GP, before i was forced to race with a net disadvantage of not having ABS cause GTE rules are different to GT3 rules.
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Post by Grumples_Plox (grimreaper977) on May 26, 2016 8:15:12 GMT
Grumples_Plox (grimreaper977) , how does that app work that projects custom livery onto other cars? If I wanted to race a custom Martini livery for a RUF could I assign it to myself and then get others to assign to me in the race, making it consistent? I mean, look at this hotness: pretty much you make a "pack of liveries" and sent it out to everyone then they can see your car like that in game.
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Post by endersai on May 26, 2016 10:02:51 GMT
OMG THE AMG C-COUPE DTM CAR.
THAT IS OUR FUTURE.
EVEN NOS COULD ENJOY.
THE PCARS FELTZER MOFUCKERS
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Post by endersai on May 26, 2016 21:59:31 GMT
OK so, on the DTM car.
Saber and I managed a 2:15.5 and a 2:16.2 respectively at Spa. This was on stock setup (though I turned steering ratio down as per personal preference). Despite this the car is on GT3 pace - the lap times were us using DRS at every opportunity.
For the non-F1 nerds, DRS = Drag Reduction System. A mechanism to open or move the rear wing to eliminate drag. In 2011 and 2012 rules, the cars could use DRS as often as they want in free practice and in qualifying but in the races they were limited to specific DRS zones.
Even then, they could only employ DRS if they were 1.0000000 seconds or less behind the car in front. They would pass a detection point and if they qualified, get an electronic beep in their ear as they passed the DRS activation point. The DRS wing was steering wheel activated and would close under braking.
Now, how significant is the DRS boost Saber and I got?
Well, in 2011, Sebastian Vettel's pole position lap at Spa was 1:48.298. In 2012, Jenson Button's pole lap was 1:47.573.
In 2013, the last of the V8 era engines, and without unlimited DRS potential, the pole lap of Lewis Hamilton was 2:01.012.
Now. DTM is not F1. I think the DRS boost at that level is only worth around 3 seconds a lap. I know because I was netting about 2:19 before I even thought to deploy DRS.
Of course this is stock setup, so it carries a lot of front and rear wing. But you take Pouhon full speed. You can do the F1 line through Eau Rouge.
This, guys, I think is a car we want to race.
First things first - it's basically the Feltzer.
Secondly - SMS/WMD didn't have the licence for DTM so the cars don't have race liveries. They just have a two tone colour scheme that's very GTA looking. It's pretty easy to group up two people with Livery 14 and be visually distinct.
Thirdly - they are designed to shred tyres. On regular wear you'd be pushing it to get 10 laps around Spa without needing to change. 7 is probably optimum.
So on other tracks, 2x wear would give you about 4-5 laps which means strategy is more important.
Fourthly, the car is the same driver to driver, so setup is important. You need to decide how you want it to drive. It has LOADS of grip so you need to assess if it's a Monza style circuit do you give each wings a few clicks left and drop the drag coefficient and gear it long? If it's Hockenheim, would you want to carry a lot of speed through sectors 2 and 3, or would you want to be fast down that long straight?
Finally, the car should not materially advantage wheel drivers over controller drivers.
The main downside is that we'd all be driving C-Coupe AMG Mercedes DTM cars, but given most events in GTA have this homogenisation I can't imagine that's a deterrent. I loved driving this car because it doesn't feel as fast as a GT3 car, but it holds corner speed like you couldn't imagine. It's like driving Formula A albeit without the 0-200 in <2s pace.
I'd strongly recommend we race DTM cars at least once but more often if we could.
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Post by Grumples_Plox (grimreaper977) on May 26, 2016 22:13:02 GMT
Shame they had an Audi look alike in early development But maybe on one of the SATCC breaks we can host a DTM Race at Hockenhiemring, Nurburgring, Donington Park, Brno, Circuit de Catalunya, Bugatti or Brand Hatch
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Post by endersai on May 26, 2016 22:33:06 GMT
We'd need to make sure for tracks that a clear DRS detection point and DRS activation point. I'd also add in Azure Circuit. I know, I know, people will QQ hard on this suggestion. But this weekend is the Monaco Grand Prix, a race which has been going since 1929. It's a classic. And if you guys aren't just throwing ALL your downforce onto the car then yes the track will be an abortion. the important thing is an agreement for all to use the DRS as intended and not just at every opportunity. So, not on lap 1. When we cross an agreed point with <1.0 second to the car in front (as defined bottom left of the screen) and then just on the one straight.
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