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Post by hotwheelsepic on Sept 22, 2016 22:08:04 GMT
Hallo i am resident of really close to charlotte NC, which if you dont know, has terrorists black lives matter protesters swarmed in it. Well although the killing of the man may have been BS, they are killing more people with this riot and damaging more property than any of these false killings have done combined. But them doing this has showed us one thing though: black people can be just as delusional to nearly non-existiant problems as a white person who wished they were a minority.
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Post by endersai on Sept 22, 2016 23:45:21 GMT
Hallo i am resident of really close to charlotte NC, which if you dont know, has terrorists black lives matter protesters swarmed in it. Well although the killing of the man may have been BS, they are killing more people with this riot and damaging more property than any of these false killings have done combined. But them doing this has showed us one thing though: black people can be just as delusional to nearly non-existiant problems as a white person who wished they were a minority.
There's a number of things wrong with this post, to the point where breaking it down into specifics would be less useful than just addressing it as net wrong.
Statistically speaking, you live in a country with a defined underclass with respect of the African American community. On all measurable metrics, which for the avoidance of doubt includes but is not limited to:
* Socio-economics, which includes lack of access to affordable healthcare (which we, in the civilised world, all have provided by the state); education, and any upward mobility as a result of economic participation * Incarceration rates relative to whites for identical offences * At-risk factor of being unarmed and shot by police relative to whites
African Americans are disadvantaged. That is to say, born into equal circumstances, the white child does not face as severe systemic barriers to access education or the workforce than an African American child. And when stopped by police, with no basis (remember how the militarised police brutalised a 10 year old child, pulling a gun on him and chasing him for blocks? Because he "looked like" a 30 year old suspect? Anglo, please) for the stop (I believe in America this is called "probable cause") the African American has a statistically significant risk of being shot by police where a white person, from the same comparative background has a much lower chance.
Now, you may at this point try bravely to muster a counter argument, possibly about black-on-black crime or black crime in general; that it creates a greater risk with that group that the police must adjust for.
Outside the US, we in the civilised world don't have the police brutalising citizens because they're breathtaking stupid and racist, so we may not be able to relate as well. What I can't fathom is how a kid, playing with a BB gun - Tamir Rice, people - can have a cop literally roll up on him and shoot.
Video here: www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/nov/26/cleveland-video-tamir-rice-shooting-police
Warning: graphic video of man of limited intelligence literally killing a fucking kid
But here:
we have an image of a white racist, upset that someone burned the racist confederate flag (a symbol of "state's rights" in the same way the swastika is just a Buddhist symbol; also, when racists Confederates say "the south will rise again!", why are they not talking about literacy levels?), with his hand on an actual gun (he's one of those morons who supports open carry, as part of the ongoing "stupid cunts misinterpret the second amendment" craze), is calmly talked down by police.
Please, Person From Suspiciously Racist Area, please tell me again about "non-existant" problems.
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Post by Theign on Sept 23, 2016 3:31:54 GMT
Best way to stop Black people getting shot by jumpy police?
How about gun control that means that they don't expect every other person they stop to be carrying?
In the UK a black man can walk down the street without fear of being shot by police. Because 90% of the Police force don't even cary guns.
Just saying.
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Post by endersai on Sept 23, 2016 4:20:16 GMT
Best way to stop Black people getting shot by jumpy police? How about gun control that means that they don't expect every other person they stop to be carrying? In the UK a black man can walk down the street without fear of being shot by police. Because 90% of the Police force don't even cary guns. Just saying.
The Onion's pitch perfect on that:
www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131
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Post by equationunequal on Sept 23, 2016 8:18:30 GMT
BLM = "The Klan with a tan", ie the black version of the KKK. Both are violent racist groups that do nothing but cause damage and promote segregation between races. he's one of those morons who supports open carry, as part of the ongoing "stupid cunts misinterpret the second amendment" craze "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns" |
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Post by endersai on Sept 23, 2016 9:44:43 GMT
history is littered with examples of what happens when a permanent underclass reaches tipping point.
It's also littered with warning signals that the enfranchised ignored.
Consider this - a group of terrorists were so incensed that their (economic) rights were being ignored that they went. with strong prodding and support from France, to war. Those terrorists successfully lead their insurrection to the point of declaring independence in July 1776.
(Of course, they won so they can write the bit about being basically French proxy mercenaries fighting for money out of the history books and instead make it about a grand and numinous ideal...)
Please, though, continue mistreating in an unspeakably brutal way your black population, then acting offended when one of them won't have a wank over the flag/anthem during a sportsball game. De-legitimise their anger and frustration. Please. Continue! It's not like you could learn lessons from history or anything.
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Post by Theign on Sept 23, 2016 16:11:23 GMT
he's one of those morons who supports open carry, as part of the ongoing "stupid cunts misinterpret the second amendment" craze "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns" No. Its true. I mean once again look at the UK. All our criminals are packing. You cant go anywhere without a criminal shoving a gun in your face. There are gun crimes constantly. Oh wait.... When guns are outlawed, outlaws DON'T NEED GUNS. If you are going to mug someone, or break into someones house and there is little to no chance of them having a gun, you DON'T NEED A GUN. You can just use a knife, or a baseball bat, or a freaking stick. Hell taking a gun is a BAD IDEA. Lets say i break into someones house in the UK to do some light appropriation of property, unfortunately i find the owner is unexpectedly there. I have a kitchen knife or something, i wave it at him, i run away. Now the cops will be searching for me. Now the same scenario except I have a gun. I hold him at gun point, he cant defend himself so he does as he is told, I leave with him unharmed, then practically every police officer in the city is poured into the neighborhood to find the guy with the gun. I am far less likely to escape, and if i do get caught i will face a far higher penalty because i had a gun. It is not worth it. I use a gun it increases the effort made to catch me and the penalty paid for no real benefit. Sure i could steal what i wanted, but with the knife i still got away and could just try another house. Now lets try that scenario again now in the US. I break into a house with a gun, the owner hears me and comes down with his gun. Someone gets shot. Guns are illegal here in the UK. Using a gun in crimes against people without guns is overkill that just adds to the chance you get caught and vastly increases the penalty you will pay if you do get caught, so criminals don't do it. Yes, some criminals have guns, and we do have gun crime. The only times you can really expect to see guns in crime are when organised gangs face off against other gangs with guns. And then there are the random shootings. The guys who snap, grab a gun and go shoot anyone they can find. We get those too on occasion. A few years back, i dunno maybe as much as a decade now, a guy grabbed his shotgun and walked through the village he lived in shooting the people he found. Before that there was..... uh... well, it probably happened before that, but i don't recall. Why? Because when people snap and want to hurt people here, THEY CANT GET A GUN. They grab a knife and go stab someone on the street. They might even kill two or three people before people run out of arms reach. And hey, we are not immune to school shootings either. We've had one of those in my lifetime. One. In my lifetime. Not one every few months. One. In my lifetime. Wasn't even a student. An adult man walked into a school in the 90s and shot students and teachers as I recall it. When a mentally unstable teenager (and lets face it, we are or were all mentally unstable as teenagers) snaps in America, he grabs his parents gun, or a fake ID and buys one on the street corner, then goes and kills all his classmates and the kids in the next class, and the next.... In the UK, the kid grabs something sharp and stabs one or two people before everyone escapes out of the room. Where the US suffers a school shooting every year, multiple every year even? We have a school stabbing, at a rate of... what? one every few years? Granted we are smaller, perhaps if we were a nation as large as the US we would suffer the stabbings at the same rate as the shootings. Even then it would be one or two deaths every time compared to Americas tens or twenties ever time. Lets not forget it takes a great deal more psychological effort to stab a person than to shoot. Shooting is easy. Its point and click and the bad person goes away. Stabbing is hard. You have to get close. They can defend themselves. It will often take multiple attempts while the person begs and pleads, and bleeds all over you. It takes more to push a person so far they will stab a person than it takes for a person to just shoot them. "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns" is a false argument. As displayed by EVERY OTHER WESTERN NATION ON THE GLOBE. Frankly, many of the other nations too. Sure. If the US was to introduce gun control you would have an issue where the criminals would all have guns and gun crime would run rampant for some time. The nation would be flush with easy to get guns, the criminals would still have the guns, they would still have the mindset that they need the guns, and of course, there will be many "law abiding" citizens who will stubbornly refuse to give up their guns, who will keep illegal guns for home defense, necessitating criminals to still use the guns. It is not a black and white thing. You cant just flick a switch and make the guns go away. This generation will suffer. Generations down the line will thank you. (Well we can hope. What I sadly expect would happen would be that if gun control laws passed, there would be the easily predictable short term rise in gun crimes and the American people will cry out "You said gun crime would stop" and vote in someone who will bring back legal guns.) |
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Post by hotwheelsepic on Sept 23, 2016 21:32:50 GMT
Hallo i am resident of really close to charlotte NC, which if you dont know, has terrorists black lives matter protesters swarmed in it. Well although the killing of the man may have been BS, they are killing more people with this riot and damaging more property than any of these false killings have done combined. But them doing this has showed us one thing though: black people can be just as delusional to nearly non-existiant problems as a white person who wished they were a minority.
There's a number of things wrong with this post, to the point where breaking it down into specifics would be less useful than just addressing it as net wrong.
Statistically speaking, you live in a country with a defined underclass with respect of the African American community. On all measurable metrics, which for the avoidance of doubt includes but is not limited to:
* Socio-economics, which includes lack of access to affordable healthcare (which we, in the civilised world, all have provided by the state); education, and any upward mobility as a result of economic participation * Incarceration rates relative to whites for identical offences * At-risk factor of being unarmed and shot by police relative to whites
African Americans are disadvantaged. That is to say, born into equal circumstances, the white child does not face as severe systemic barriers to access education or the workforce than an African American child. And when stopped by police, with no basis (remember how the militarised police brutalised a 10 year old child, pulling a gun on him and chasing him for blocks? Because he "looked like" a 30 year old suspect? Anglo, please) for the stop (I believe in America this is called "probable cause") the African American has a statistically significant risk of being shot by police where a white person, from the same comparative background has a much lower chance.
I know that a majority of african americans are in a lower economic position than a lot of other races. I know that racist police shootings happen. The main thing is that I dont agree with the way that the protest is going. There are problems. But property damage and hurting the innocent is not the way to solve anything. It makes it worse. |
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Post by hotwheelsepic on Sept 23, 2016 21:38:57 GMT
Hallo i am resident of really close to charlotte NC, which if you dont know, has terrorists black lives matter protesters swarmed in it. Well although the killing of the man may have been BS, they are killing more people with this riot and damaging more property than any of these false killings have done combined. But them doing this has showed us one thing though: black people can be just as delusional to nearly non-existiant problems as a white person who wished they were a minority.
Please, Person From Suspiciously Racist Area, please tell me again about "non-existant" problems.
nearly being the main word. What I ment by that last sentence was that the problems are over-dramaticized. Its not like if a black man walks down a street and steps on the wrong block of concrete, he will get shot by a police by it. |
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Post by endersai on Sept 23, 2016 21:50:26 GMT
There's a number of things wrong with this post, to the point where breaking it down into specifics would be less useful than just addressing it as net wrong.
Statistically speaking, you live in a country with a defined underclass with respect of the African American community. On all measurable metrics, which for the avoidance of doubt includes but is not limited to:
* Socio-economics, which includes lack of access to affordable healthcare (which we, in the civilised world, all have provided by the state); education, and any upward mobility as a result of economic participation * Incarceration rates relative to whites for identical offences * At-risk factor of being unarmed and shot by police relative to whites
African Americans are disadvantaged. That is to say, born into equal circumstances, the white child does not face as severe systemic barriers to access education or the workforce than an African American child. And when stopped by police, with no basis (remember how the militarised police brutalised a 10 year old child, pulling a gun on him and chasing him for blocks? Because he "looked like" a 30 year old suspect? Anglo, please) for the stop (I believe in America this is called "probable cause") the African American has a statistically significant risk of being shot by police where a white person, from the same comparative background has a much lower chance.
I know that a majority of african americans are in a lower economic position than a lot of other races. I know that racist police shootings happen. The main thing is that I dont agree with the way that the protest is going. There are problems. But property damage and hurting the innocent is not the way to solve anything. It makes it worse. So are you similarly ashamed of your country's origin being steeped in terroristic rioting? |
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Post by hotwheelsepic on Sept 23, 2016 22:05:37 GMT
I know that a majority of african americans are in a lower economic position than a lot of other races. I know that racist police shootings happen. The main thing is that I dont agree with the way that the protest is going. There are problems. But property damage and hurting the innocent is not the way to solve anything. It makes it worse. So are you similarly ashamed of your country's origin being steeped in terroristic rioting? Good point. But the difference is that the U.S. had more problems than a few false killings. Peoples houses being taken and raided legaly, having to pay more taxes, limiting the exploration of their country and more. The U.S. back then had problems because of another country ruling it. And before you bring it up, no, I don't think that the government forcing natives out of their land was a great idea. But back to the point of being terroristic, if you had a bunch of foreign military men paroling your country, would you appreciate it? |
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Post by equationunequal on Sept 24, 2016 9:52:39 GMT
"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns" Tell that to the thug that pulled a gun on me to rob me. Guns are banned here, so he shouldn't have had a gun, right? Also holy wall of text, batman. I'm sure you can get your point across in less than a full length essay... Banning guns in the US isn't going to remove the guns that already exist. It's only going to take guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, giving them no way to defend themselves against criminals that don't give a fuck about laws and will continue to use the guns that already exist to commit crimes. |
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Post by Theign on Sept 24, 2016 16:58:09 GMT
Ah. I see. It happened once, thus it happens every time.
Maybe you should try reading the wall of text.
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Post by endersai on Sept 27, 2016 1:21:06 GMT
So are you similarly ashamed of your country's origin being steeped in terroristic rioting? Good point. But the difference is that the U.S. had more problems than a few false killings. Peoples houses being taken and raided legaly, having to pay more taxes, limiting the exploration of their country and more. The U.S. back then had problems because of another country ruling it. And before you bring it up, no, I don't think that the government forcing natives out of their land was a great idea. But back to the point of being terroristic, if you had a bunch of foreign military men paroling your country, would you appreciate it?OK, so I'm not sure if this is actually hitting home for you. I know the US doesn't do irony - your national character is far too optimistic for the culturally British cynicism that affects the Anglosphere. So maybe you don't appreciate the irony inherent in the bolded sentence.
Because basically, what you're saying is, if you had people infringing on your rights. That's fundamentally what the Independence war was about; no taxation without representation is not a try for natural justice, it's that tax can't be levied on territories not represented in parliament. So when systemic inequalities exist and there is no recognition of them, much less any avenue to recourse, it's defensible in your view for people to resort to violence and the like?
This is not atypical, mind you. History is littered with people, tired of being repressed, rising up. Vladimir Illych Ulyanov, aka Lenin, wrote extensively on this point.
But you draw the line at affording people, who aren't white (because in America, rights are colour-based), the same legitimacy. Which is inherently racist, whether you acknowledge it or not.
Now, the Guardian - or Granuaid, for our UK friends - has been tracking police deaths in America: www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police-killings
It contains a database for searching people killed by police, as well as analysis of the over-militarisation of US police (which enhances rather that deflates conflict), the culture of permissiveness that allows it, and more.
There's also the UN Special Rapporteur into the Freedom of Assembly's recent findings, which highlight systemic inequality towards blacks: freeassembly.net/news/usa-statement/
If you think it's false statistics, you're utterly deaf to what's happening and that's almost certainly because of the colour of the people calling out injustices.
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Post by Jonathan on Sept 27, 2016 8:05:33 GMT
In follow-up of the socio-economic and incarseration rate statistics mentioned by endersai I would like to give you some insight in this problem. There is a deeper root to this problem than gun control.
The U.S. (and many other countries) have a school system and a criminal justice system which when you are native and not belonging to the underclass, are prepared for by your parents. The standards which are central to these systems are the same standards as these so called natives live by and raise their childeren with (how to behave in certain situations for example). The standards with which the people (childern)of the underclass are raised are often different from these. As a result they are in a disadvantage at their school from day one. The school system expects them to behave normally (mind you, normal to the native upperclass) but they don't because they are not raised in this way. It is easy for teachers to lable such a kid as 'problematic' and after a few tries give up on him/her. The same story goes for the criminal justice system.
And as this system reproduces its self (the childern who are given up on do not know any better and will raise their childern to their knowledge) you can not just simpally blame the parents. The question is, what is done in the country to tackle this problem? I'm not informed about all the specifics in the US but I suspect little is done and it is certainly not understood by most of the people.
This mismatch is nicely displayed in the later seasons of The Wire.
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