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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on May 5, 2017 18:35:05 GMT
From the way I see it with Capital punishment, the state's job is to ensure life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. In exchange, you follow the laws and institutions that are in place and lead a civilized life. When you break your end of the contract, there is some sort of punishment. In some cases such as undeniable murder, the death penalty may be a suitable punishment for taking away someone else's right to live. The death penalty is never an option. You can never 100% guarantee that the person convicted was truly guilty. Even 99.9% accuracy isn't good enough, even 99.99%. Who has the right to decide 10,000 people should suffer the death penalty, when there's a chance 1 of those could be wrong? Tbf the death penalty is also just uncivilized to begin with. Killing a human costs even more than imprisoning someone, and killing is such a barbarian solution to a problem. Also, to answer the other arguments: Education is indeed the main reason for everything happening today. However, you can never have everyone educated and even normal mentally. So if everyone can easily get guns combined with the horrible education, there's trouble. Making stricter gun laws is an easier way honestly. Everyone having guns means also anyone can kill you. There have been lots of situations where neighbours got into a fight and someone went for his gun because it was nearby and used it. If I had more time I'd explain my points more but gtg lol.
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Post by Tsupernami on May 5, 2017 18:49:49 GMT
The death penalty is never an option. You can never 100% guarantee that the person convicted was truly guilty. Even 99.9% accuracy isn't good enough, even 99.99%. Who has the right to decide 10,000 people should suffer the death penalty, when there's a chance 1 of those could be wrong? Tbf the death penalty is also just uncivilized to begin with. Killing a human costs even more than imprisoning someone, and killing is such a barbarian solution to a problem. Also, to answer the other arguments: Education is indeed the main reason for everything happening today. However, you can never have everyone educated and even normal mentally. So if everyone can easily get guns combined with the horrible education, there's trouble. Making stricter gun laws is an easier way honestly. Everyone having guns means also anyone can kill you. There have been lots of situations where neighbours got into a fight and someone went for his gun because it was nearby and used it. If I had more time I'd explain my points more but gtg lol. Weirdly as a Brit, I can actually understand the desire for a weapon to defend your home. At most we have have knives or blunt objects. And I can also see the logic of not banning cars, because a car behind an idiot can kill multiple people. However the purpose of a gun is kill someone. The purpose of a car is for transport.
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Post by canidbeast on May 8, 2017 3:45:22 GMT
From the way I see it with Capital punishment, the state's job is to ensure life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. In exchange, you follow the laws and institutions that are in place and lead a civilized life. When you break your end of the contract, there is some sort of punishment. In some cases such as undeniable murder, the death penalty may be a suitable punishment for taking away someone else's right to live. It basically determines how good your lawyer is (or how much money you have). One in 25 innocent people are killed.Making stricter gun laws is an easier way honestly. 2 things: I know it is the Huffington Post, but this is a great NRA comparison. ANY gun laws mean they will lose their guns, which is the end of life...or something like that. The other thing is, to be fair, if America wouldn't have such whorish gun laws, we probably wouldn't have the GTA series in America. And only savages drive on the right hand side of the road. :-P *edit* I learned how to do things and not double post! I am not that old yet! X-D
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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on May 8, 2017 11:15:06 GMT
From the way I see it with Capital punishment, the state's job is to ensure life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. In exchange, you follow the laws and institutions that are in place and lead a civilized life. When you break your end of the contract, there is some sort of punishment. In some cases such as undeniable murder, the death penalty may be a suitable punishment for taking away someone else's right to live. It basically determines how good your lawyer is (or how much money you have). One in 25 innocent people are killed.Making stricter gun laws is an easier way honestly. 2 things: I know it is the Huffington Post, but this is a great NRA comparison. ANY gun laws mean they will lose their guns, which is the end of life...or something like that. The other thing is, to be fair, if America wouldn't have such whorish gun laws, we probably wouldn't have the GTA series in America. And only savages drive on the right hand side of the road. :-P *edit* I learned how to do things and not double post! I am not that old yet! X-D I still don't know how to not double post xD Teach me
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Post by thedelgadic1 on May 8, 2017 13:41:48 GMT
From the way I see it with Capital punishment, the state's job is to ensure life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. In exchange, you follow the laws and institutions that are in place and lead a civilized life. When you break your end of the contract, there is some sort of punishment. In some cases such as undeniable murder, the death penalty may be a suitable punishment for taking away someone else's right to live. It basically determines how good your lawyer is (or how much money you have). One in 25 innocent people are killed.That's a pretty sobering study if you look at it face value. But the date range is from before there was DNA used in crime investigations. While I never want an innocent person scentenced to death, or even killed, I wonder if that number would be lower in the last 20 years considering DNA evidence is better.
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Post by canidbeast on May 10, 2017 7:10:53 GMT
It is still an imperfect system. DNA can be accidentally contaminated for example. Atleast in the states, the quality lawyer you have can also determine if you live or die. Not justice in my opinion.
It is not a perfect system, but it could be worse.
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Post by piguy3141 on May 10, 2017 20:40:46 GMT
It is still an imperfect system. DNA can be accidentally contaminated for example. Atleast in the states, the quality lawyer you have can also determine if you live or die. Not justice in my opinion. It is not a perfect system, but it could be worse. There's also, to quote Neil deGrasse Tyson, the evaluation of evidence and the unreliability of eyewitness testimony
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Post by endersai on May 12, 2017 6:59:18 GMT
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Post by jt33396 on May 22, 2017 6:09:19 GMT
Think I'll finally voice my opinion, as this was my first ever election, and maybe give my overall impressions of not just Trump but voting and the election in general.
I feel like my vote meant absolutely nothing and pretty much did mean nothing. All my teachers and adults would tell me "you don't have a right to complain if you didn't vote", but not voting honestly would've yielded the exact same results. It would've saved me 30 miles of gas to just stay at my college instead since I voted libertarian (next choice was red) in an entirely blue state, in an entirely blue region of the country.
As childish at it sounds, everyone I talk to is just so salty, even on the Trump side, and there's this animosity in the air so thick I can feel it when I walk outside. I can't go on Facebook without seeing right winger's being moronic and berating Obama *to this day* if he's ever mentioned at all, or liberals still crying about Trump winning, though I feel like the left's complaints are more justified.
I won't lie, I'm one of the democrats who said "Let's give Trump a chance", and it's obvious he needs some work. I wouldn't say I was well enformed for *any* of the candidates, I more voted from the pressure from family ties (Being Hispanic, my parents were mortified of a Trump presidency), and my own agenda, mainly concerning the environment, though I knew well that the Green Party was going to get nowhere, as was the Libertarian.
SOME (as In very few) of Trumps ideas seemed logical and good to me if I comprehended them correctly, but most everything else I was against. There really wasn't a winner this election, I feel like this has opened my eyes to just how bad the United States (or just govrment in general) can be, because our whole country is divided now. (Not that it ever wasn't, people tell me it's only worse now but I figure it's always been like this, it was just downplayed until Trump came in). I'm first generation in the US and I feel like it's not as great as everyone makes it out to be.
This is only the first time I've ever had any major input on the US government and I already feel fatigued to the point where I'd rather not vote again, or do anything involving the government again.
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Post by thedelgadic1 on May 22, 2017 13:29:06 GMT
Think I'll finally voice my opinion, as this was my first ever election, and maybe give my overall impressions of not just Trump but voting and the election in general. I feel like my vote meant absolutely nothing and pretty much did mean nothing. All my teachers and adults would tell me "you don't have a right to complain if you didn't vote", but not voting honestly would've yielded the exact same results. It would've saved me 30 miles of gas to just stay at my college instead since I voted libertarian (next choice was red) in an entirely blue state, in an entirely blue region of the country. As childish at it sounds, everyone I talk to is just so salty, even on the Trump side, and there's this animosity in the air so thick I can feel it when I walk outside. I can't go on Facebook without seeing right winger's being moronic and berating Obama *to this day* if he's ever mentioned at all, or liberals still crying about Trump winning, though I feel like the left's complaints are more justified. I won't lie, I'm one of the democrats who said "Let's give Trump a chance", and it's obvious he needs some work. I wouldn't say I was well enformed for *any* of the candidates, I more voted from the pressure from family ties (Being Hispanic, my parents were mortified of a Trump presidency), and my own agenda, mainly concerning the environment, though I knew well that the Green Party was going to get nowhere, as was the Libertarian. SOME (as In very few) of Trumps ideas seemed logical and good to me if I comprehended them correctly, but most everything else I was against. There really wasn't a winner this election, I feel like this has opened my eyes to just how bad the United States (or just govrment in general) can be, because our whole country is divided now. (Not that it ever wasn't, people tell me it's only worse now but I figure it's always been like this, it was just downplayed until Trump came in). I'm first generation in the US and I feel like it's not as great as everyone makes it out to be. This is only the first time I've ever had any major input on the US government and I already feel fatigued to the point where I'd rather not vote again, or do anything involving the government again. Yea it is a terrible feeling knowing your vote practicly means nothing dependending on where you live. As someone right of center living in California, unless there's an earthquake that kills only the liberals, california is going to go blue. I understand the frustration with the voting system, but there is also things like state laws that need to be voted upon(i.e. Legal weed in California😀) and your local congressmen. I feel you as being Mexican, 90% of my family has an irrational fear of trump. Some think that trump wants to deport them, even they they were born here. My parrents like trump, but that's about it. Again, while major presidential election may seem big and important, very few things they do will affect you. Get more involved in municipal politics. That will get far more results for you then any big buerocrat in Washington could ever do for you
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Post by endersai on May 22, 2017 21:35:54 GMT
Well of course Washington can't help. It's a swamp that the Donald promised to drain by firstly using nepotism to appoint unqualified family members to key roles. Then to promote his daughter's businesses through official channels. Then to get his daughter's charity a sizeable Saudi donation. Swamp, drained. Meanwhile, dozens of reports of DREAMers being deported flood out now and the rest of the world, particularly Britain, is grateful that America saw Brexit and asked Britain to hold its beer.
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Post by jt33396 on Jun 2, 2017 20:59:29 GMT
Ive started reading the actual accord, all 27 pages. I'm on page 8 now, but still haven't found any legitimate reason besides not caring and bein pro business as to why he would drop the US out of it
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Post by Hystery on Jun 2, 2017 22:29:59 GMT
Ive started reading the actual accord, all 27 pages. I'm on page 8 now, but still haven't found any legitimate reason besides not caring and bein pro business as to why he would drop the US out of it Funny thing is that even businesses actually called for not leaving the climate agreement, Exxon Mobile and its direct rival Chevron on the first line, which is kinda ironic when you think about it. The more time passes, the more I feel like Trump is actually like a 15 years old attention-whore: he'll do anything he can to get the spotlight on him, including doing stupid, non-sensical things like this.
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Post by piguy3141 on Jun 3, 2017 1:40:08 GMT
Ive started reading the actual accord, all 27 pages. I'm on page 8 now, but still haven't found any legitimate reason besides not caring and bein pro business as to why he would drop the US out of it I've also seen some people say that it's not unusual because Syria and Nicaragua aren't in the agreement But Nicaragua isn't in the agreement because it's government argues the accord isn't ambitious enough, while Syria simply doesn't have the resources or the ability to limit it's emissions due to the civil war (I've also seen some sources say it wasn't involved in the deal at all, again due to the war). So it's literally Trump taking a dump on the agreement for no reason at all, and making the U.S. look like buffoons despite every electoral map on the issue says the U.S. needs to help in reducing climate change.
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