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Post by endersai on Jun 19, 2017 23:43:14 GMT
But on the plus side; not only do Islamic State have their own "useful idiots" on the Islamophobic side of the argument but they can get them to act too, furthering Daesh's goals of division and conflict. I wonder how it feels to know that despite being Islamophobic, they are still further Daesh's goals? Like does this driver realise he's helping IS out? A father of four from Wales. Who would ever think that this act would be the best one for their children to witness? Well... I mean... the Welsh are reliant on EU subsidies but voted overwhelmingly Leave... There might be a recurrent theme about a lack of foresight into the consequences of certain actions is what I am intimating.
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Post by cameronman1329 on Jun 21, 2017 10:19:48 GMT
At least we could witness how biased medias and most people are. One guy of arabic origins attempts to murder caucasian people? Terrorist attack banners everywhere, amalgams between Islam and extremism everywhere, persecuting the muslim population for what happened even though they have nothing to do with it. One caucasian guy attempts to murder people of arabic origins/muslims? A small article in a corner of the news websites, no mention of a terrorist attack, or if the guy was or wasn't part of an extreme-right movement, or xenophobic, or if his religion pushed him to do what he did. Double standards are such a wonderful thing. while I agree with this, there are also double standards from both sides too: (Diane Abbott is not someone to be taken seriously however, yet it happens for both, completely agree with your point)
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Post by equationunequal on Jun 21, 2017 17:17:09 GMT
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Post by Hystery on Jun 21, 2017 20:59:51 GMT
I stopped watching (or well, listening) the moment he started making amalgams between actual muslims following the islam religion in peace and without bothering anyone, and a bunch of crazy fucks using religion as an excuse to blow themselves up (which was literally 2 minutes in or so in the video, great way to make an introduction). Crazy that the human brain cannot make the different between two distinct notions as those.
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Post by equationunequal on Jun 21, 2017 21:05:41 GMT
Maybe watch the whole thing . As he spends quite some time explaining that...
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 21, 2017 21:50:06 GMT
I'm sorry, but I'm not going to listen to a biased view for 20 minutes with no consideration for a balanced argument. I gave him 5 minutes, but there were so many falsehoods that weren't being rectified I didn't give him the justification of watching the rest.
Summary of those 5 minutes and his views:
>Everyone has been defending the Muslim terrorist >Everyone has been attacking (figuratively) the white Welsh terrorist. >The Muslim terrorists have mental issues and need help >The lone white Welsh guy was evil and seeking retribution.
Those are not the views of the majority of people, by any measure. He's taken extreme opposing opinions and attributed them to all those who are leaning to the argument against his views. Why should I watch your propaganda for you?
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Post by Hystery on Jun 21, 2017 23:39:19 GMT
I mean, not later than earlier today, ISIS bombed a mosque in Mossoul, Irak. They exploded a mosque. A sacred place for muslims. How can anyone call terrorists from ISIS muslims after this kind of thing is beyond my comprehension.
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Post by endersai on Jun 22, 2017 2:56:21 GMT
I have to love the approach here.
Terrorist attacks Muslims in London and the alt-right is strangely silent, as if even they could recognise the dexterous own goal from their side. After all, if the Othering is contingent on the Muslims being violent, this action takes a paper thin argument that wasn't so much thought-out as felt-out viscerally by people of generally limited means, and it kicks it unconscious. The fact that the Imam and worshipers ensured the driver was unharmed and unmolested by a shaken crowd who undoubtedly would have flowing adrenaline is the equivalent of a tea-bagging the unconscious and bleeding argument, too.
"BUT LOOK ISLAM IS ACTUALLY VIOLENT YOU GUYS".
Ok but one of the living meme racist types literally just attacked Muslims at a mosque, in Finsbury Park of all places (where for the longest time you could buy all sorts of radical Islamist propaganda) during the holy month of Ramadan and the Muslim crowd ensures his safety until police can remove him.
One clap every 12,000 years would not be slow enough right now.
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Post by equationunequal on Jun 22, 2017 7:51:07 GMT
I mean, not later than earlier today, ISIS bombed a mosque in Mossoul, Irak. They exploded a mosque. A sacred place for muslims. How can anyone call terrorists from ISIS muslims after this kind of thing is beyond my comprehension. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman If a catholic christian murders a protestant christian, does that suddenly not make him a christian anymore? Or does you logic only apply to islam?
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Post by Theign on Jun 22, 2017 8:11:17 GMT
I have to love the approach here. Terrorist attacks Muslims in London and the alt-right is strangely silent, as if even they could recognise the dexterous own goal from their side. After all, if the Othering is contingent on the Muslims being violent, this action takes a paper thin argument that wasn't so much thought-out as felt-out viscerally by people of generally limited means, and it kicks it unconscious. The fact that the Imam and worshipers ensured the driver was unharmed and unmolested by a shaken crowd who undoubtedly would have flowing adrenaline is the equivalent of a tea-bagging the unconscious and bleeding argument, too. "BUT LOOK ISLAM IS ACTUALLY VIOLENT YOU GUYS". Ok but one of the living meme racist types literally just attacked Muslims at a mosque, in Finsbury Park of all places (where for the longest time you could buy all sorts of radical Islamist propaganda) during the holy month of Ramadan and the Muslim crowd ensures his safety until police can remove him. One clap every 12,000 years would not be slow enough right now. Lets not forget that the "Violent and evil muslims" that he chose to target (Admitedly probably by pure chance, largest cluster and all that) was a group of people rushing to the aid of a man who had just collapsed.... Evil bastards. Edit: It can not be overstated how remarkable it is that they kept him safe. If I had been there I rather doubt I would have been able to show such restraint.
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Post by Tsupernami on Jun 22, 2017 9:36:31 GMT
I mean, not later than earlier today, ISIS bombed a mosque in Mossoul, Irak. They exploded a mosque. A sacred place for muslims. How can anyone call terrorists from ISIS muslims after this kind of thing is beyond my comprehension. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman If a catholic christian murders a protestant christian, does that suddenly not make him a christian anymore? Or does you logic only apply to islam? That's not the point at all. The point is that they are not following the true teachings of their religion. The Westboro Baptist Church and Scientologusts are not seen seen as Christians by other Christians, so your point is not true at all.
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Post by equationunequal on Jun 22, 2017 9:50:12 GMT
That's not the point at all. The point is that they are not following the true teachings of their religion. The Westboro Baptist Church and Scientologusts are not seen seen as Christians by other Christians, so your point is not true at all. They actually are following the true (fundamental) teachings of their religion. I can show you videos of many ihmams who can attest to that. The Westboro Baptist Church are seen as christians, because they are. They are also a family of lawyers who abuse the legal system to get lots of money from local governments who ban their protests. Scientologist aren't seen as christians because scientology isn't part of or even based on christianity. It's based on the work of it's founder, L. Ron Hubbard: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dianetics:_The_Modern_Science_of_Mental_HealthPoint still stands...
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Post by Hystery on Jun 22, 2017 10:09:35 GMT
I mean, not later than earlier today, ISIS bombed a mosque in Mossoul, Irak. They exploded a mosque. A sacred place for muslims. How can anyone call terrorists from ISIS muslims after this kind of thing is beyond my comprehension. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman If a catholic christian murders a protestant christian, does that suddenly not make him a christian anymore? Or does you logic only apply to islam? No, it doesn't. Dude would still be a christian. Does that mean I'm gonna blame all the christians and christianity religion because of it? Certainly not, something that people actually do with Islam. Thanks for proving my point.
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Post by equationunequal on Jun 22, 2017 10:13:53 GMT
No, it doesn't. Dude would still be a christian. Does that mean I'm gonna blame all the christians and christianity religion because of it? Certainly not, something that people actually do with Islam. Thanks for proving my point. I mean, not later than earlier today, ISIS bombed a mosque in Mossoul, Irak. They exploded a mosque. A sacred place for muslims. How can anyone call terrorists from ISIS muslims after this kind of thing is beyond my comprehension.Can you not see the hypocrisy / double standard in your statements? Thanks for proving my point.
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Post by Hystery on Jun 22, 2017 10:22:50 GMT
No, it doesn't. Dude would still be a christian. Does that mean I'm gonna blame all the christians and christianity religion because of it? Certainly not, something that people actually do with Islam. Thanks for proving my point. I mean, not later than earlier today, ISIS bombed a mosque in Mossoul, Irak. They exploded a mosque. A sacred place for muslims. How can anyone call terrorists from ISIS muslims after this kind of thing is beyond my comprehension.Can you not see the hypocrisy / double standard in your statements? Thanks for proving my point. No I don't see it. I'll break it down slowly so you can get what I mean. A terrorist blows himself up/stabs people/runs over people with a car, ISIS claims it's their work. People go and blame Islam for it, blame other muslims for it, claim islam and muslims and immigrants are the issue, disregarding the large portion of the muslim population who doesn't do anything wrong and doesn't bother anyone. I take your example with the christian. If I follow your logic, I should blame christian people, christianity, say that all christians and christian immigrants are the issue, disregarding the large portion of the christian population who doesn't do anything wrong and doesn't bother anyone. Except that I wouldn't, just like I wouldn't in the first case, because I refuse to narrow down to a portion of the population a problem that is completely unrelated to them. And again, ISIS =/= Islam. They have of Islam just the name. If they actually followed the precepts of Islam, they wouldn't blow up a damn mosque that was centuries old and a sacred place for actual muslims.
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