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Post by Prrevil on Oct 7, 2018 17:45:50 GMT
Vettel has lost it completely. I think that move was somewhat understandable as he needed to start picking up points against Hamilton and waiting behind Verstappen until the pits wouldn't have helped with that.
Its disappointing just how far away the mid tier teams are from the front runners. Its rare for them to even bother trying to defend for instance at the last Chicane lots of drivers left the inside free to give an easy overtake.
Yeah that was racing, in general he's made mistakes and that combined with all hassle in Ferrari. Hamilton is champ this year.
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Post by Sunken on Oct 7, 2018 20:13:53 GMT
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Post by endersai on Oct 7, 2018 21:01:03 GMT
Thanks Crashtappen for being in the sport, would be boring without your questionable driving. Nonsense. His sulking around the penalty is getting old, but as several pundits have said - including former drivers Paul di Resta (Sky F1) and Jolyon Palmer (BBC) - it was a bit harsh because realistically Verstappen did the right thing and didn't Bottas that chicane entirely. And Max was right to state that had Kimi waited he'd have had him on the switch back. Now at those speeds, it's a reflex so I don't blame Kimi but it's not Red Bull's fault, nor Max's fault, that Ferrari had no pace at Japan. Quite frankly, Max Verstappen is one of the most exciting talents in F1 in decades, and the sport is better for having him in it. Next year will be tough for Max, because he is still very immature when it comes to handling setbacks and that is his only weakness now. Leading a team like Red Bull will be a big challenge and he's got to get his wife-beating father out of his life and get used to the idea that sometimes there will be setbacks, before he can be world champion. Re: Vettel - it's not that cut and dried as to blame him or Max entirely. www.autosport.com/f1/news/139238/whiting-verstappen-EUR~clearlyEURTM-deserved-penaltyWhiting believed that the later Verstappen incident with Vettel, when they clashed at Spoon Curve in the fight for position, could not be blamed on either driver - which is why no penalty was handed out. "Seb tried to get up the inside, and it was a reasonable move," added Whiting. "He got halfway alongside and Max turned in - a bit of a classic really. "Stewards don't normally give penalties unless they are sure that one driver was wholly or predominantly to blame. "Opinions will vary on whether there was equal blame, but certainly no driver was predominantly to blame they felt."This is reasonable. Vettel was able to make that move stick on several other drivers, with only Grosjean going for a bit of a squeeze. Vettel's car was sufficiently alongside Verstappen's as to suggest he "had the corner"; Verstappen left room prior to turning in. But, I think Charlie is right here - there was no one driver at fault. So it's more like Baku, which was 70% VER/30% RIC than, say, China where Max was penalised (which Charlie also discusses). The Ferrari momentum had to have been lost at the German GP this year.
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Post by sandrino on Oct 8, 2018 19:10:50 GMT
Vettel move was not understandable. Just to overtake in The Spoon so Verstappen can slipstream him and take it back in 130R or chicane. It would make more sense to stick with him, and blow past on the straight with slipstream. RB is not some midfield car and Ver is not a guy who accepts inevitable position loss.
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Post by endersai on Oct 8, 2018 21:20:55 GMT
Vettel move was not understandable. Just to overtake in The Spoon so Verstappen can slipstream him and take it back in 130R or chicane. It would make more sense to stick with him, and blow past on the straight with slipstream. RB is not some midfield car and Ver is not a guy who accepts inevitable position loss. I'm trying to find where it was but Mika Hakkinen basically said "no I know why Seb did what he did".
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Post by endersai on Oct 12, 2018 9:36:43 GMT
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Post by gbsanderson on Oct 18, 2018 22:40:38 GMT
So happy with Leclerc going to Ferrari for next season. Hoping Bottas's luck is a little better and it could be a four-way fight for the title!
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Post by Teme on Oct 21, 2018 19:56:48 GMT
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Post by endersai on Oct 21, 2018 20:00:58 GMT
What a drive from Max. If we'd not lost Ricciardo to mechanical failure again might have seen double Red Bull podium.
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Post by endersai on Oct 21, 2018 21:12:03 GMT
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Post by Prrevil on Oct 22, 2018 7:06:10 GMT
Best race for a while! Solid win for Kimi and spectacular podium place for Max
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Post by Sunken on Oct 22, 2018 9:39:51 GMT
Doesn’t matter where Verstappen starts, he can finish on podium. Amazing drive from Kimi, easily the best race of the season so far.
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Post by endersai on Oct 23, 2018 8:08:27 GMT
I don't know it was the best race, I think there was more on track action in the first 3-4 races tbh.
Time for some stats, with 3 races to go:
Who has the most:
Fastest Laps?
1. Valtteri Bottas 6 2. Daniel Ricciardo 4 3. Lewis Hamilton 3
DNFs (note: where they are recorded as having completed the race it does not count, i.e. >90% of race distance like Verstappen at Silverstone) 1. Daniel Ricciardo 7
In 2017, Max Verstappen had 7 DNFs.
Red Bull fkn pls.
In 2012, there were 7 different winners in the first seven races - Kimi, Alonso, Hamilton, Button, Webber, Vettel, and Maldonadolol.
Since 2016:
2016 - Hamilton and Rosberg won for Mercedes; Ricciardo and Verstappen won for Red Bull (1 each) 2017 - Hamilton and Bottas won for Mercedes; Ricciardo and Verstappen won for Red Bull, Vettel won for Ferrari 2018 - Hamilton won for Mercedes; Ricciardo and Verstappen won for Red Bull, Vettel and Raikkonen won for Ferrari
Gone from 4 to 5 winners, that's... almost good.
2018 started well and is ended well but I think we have to agree the middle of the season was a slump and we're sick of Red Bulls retiring?
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Post by positivetension on Oct 23, 2018 18:57:05 GMT
Fastest laps don't really mean anything anymore due to how much they have to manage the tyres. It's basically an award to indicate that you had to make a late pitstop.
In the second half of the season, the gap between the top three teams and the rest has just gotten ridiculous. Its not really an issue starting at the back or spinning on the first lap as on most tracks they can just drive round the B team cars.
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Post by endersai on Oct 23, 2018 20:32:37 GMT
Yes, agreed on your second point but your first one feels like a cold blooded attempt to deny everyone's favourite nice-guy racer and race-craft master Kevin Magnussen his solitary fastest lap recognition. Speaking of talented racers who everyone likes, Lance Stroll is confirmed to be testing for Force India at the tyre test this year. What a deserved promotion. Red Bull won't release Ricciardo test for Renault at the same test. And Toto Wolff has said he guarantees Ocon will be in a good car in 2020. So either Lewis will retire then, or Finland will have no front running drivers as Bottas is given the bootas. 2019 Driver Lineup Mercedes: Hamilton, Bottas Ferrari: Vettel, Leclerc Red Bull: Verstappen, Gasly Renault: Ricciardo, Hulkenberg Force India: Perez, Stroll Haas: Grosjean, Magnussen Sauber: Raikkonen, Giovinazzi McLaren: Sainz, Norris Toro Rosso: Torpedo, TBC Williams: Russell, TBC So two seats unfilled. Toro Rosso have Hartley under contract now, and he's started to get better results now they're not just upgrading Gasly's car. I'd keep him, but as another option there is Dan Ticktum. Ticktum is a massive bell-end who shouldn't be let into F1 but Helmut Marko's destroyed every other young driver that wasn't Max, Dan, and Pierre so... Williams have three drivers under consideration, plus others who want in. Sirotkin brings SMP Racing money, and has been doing everything he can to extract performance from a complete meme of a car. Kubica is a fairytale comeback that earns Williams merchandising points from fanatic Polish fans and others who appreciate how good he is; the added bonus is that he's incredibly good on setup, and they need good mechanical feedback. Finally there's Ocon, who I can't see getting the seat because he only wants a year in case better deals materialise for him. Ocon is talented but Williams want to get back to their old ways, where they're a front runner team. That means they need to develop a car that attracts drivers. Kubica, with young gun George Russell, would actually be a good 2-3 year option for the team - you get Robert's technical know how helping design the car around Russell. I'd pick Kubica.
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