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Post by monsterzero on Jun 14, 2014 6:25:41 GMT
I joined this crew to improve my racing skills and race with other non-dirty racers.Thus far every member Ive ran into has indeed been a good clean racer.In fact one member(forget his PS3 Tag) waited for me several times during the 1st time I tried The Outer Loop(if youre reading this...you Sir are a Gentleman!)
However most of the time I get an invite to join a race from a NODO hosted race,its set to "standard" and there are always a few non NODO guys joining,and not surprisingly its a pit-fest.
So my question here is whats the adversion many in this crew have to using non-contact option?
If the argument is that its not realistic way to race,well to me the rare times when cars are sharing the same time and space are rare and the benefits of using NC far outweigh being slammed repeatedly,left on the side of the road while the others race away.I dont even bother trying to get back into the race.I just set down the controller,go make a sandwich and wait for the smash-up derby to finish.
Kinda disappointed
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Post by Trowa on Jun 14, 2014 10:33:45 GMT
This rage rant in our skype group sums it up best imo. I suggest you add more people from NoDo and dont give up... Thats just lame you cant let them win. Leave the lobby afterwards but dont give up. Thats just as unsportsmanlike as quitting. Everyone has to deal with it when randoms are in the lobby. Usually on weekends we get lobbies filled up with NoDo but on weekdays its something you have to deal with because of timezone differences
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Post by monsterzero on Jun 14, 2014 11:26:50 GMT
ok but it still doesnt address the essential question I have:
Almost every NODO hosted race ive joied has:
Catch up turned off SlipStream Turned off
But pitting is allowed....cuz its set to Standard.
The non contact takes away both slipstream and catchup,but you cnt pit=clean race
EDIT: How is it lame that I dont bother getting back into the race? Catchup is off,and im admittedly not the greatest racer,so to me its another 5-10 minutes of being behind,driving wrecklessly tyrying to make up some ground and end up with a DNF anyways.
Perhaps you dont recall what its like being a below average racer,but once pitted and catchup off I end up racing alone.How does that help me get better? Id be better off racing alone anyways,not get pitted and getting more $ and RP since I would actually finish the race
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Post by Malice on Jun 14, 2014 12:11:03 GMT
The problem with non-contact is that it takes away the need to make overtake manoeuvres and by extension the ability to defend against such manoeuvres. These two aspects are a big part of what makes racing racing. Don't get me wrong, non-contact is awesome every now and then on a track with a lot of tight sections or in a lobby with troublesome randoms, but it really isn't necessary the majority of the time.
My advice when racing against dirty drivers would be to just be more aware of their position in the race, 99% of people who race dirty are terrible drivers so if you catch on to their game plan and prepare for it, you shouldn't have much trouble dealing with them.
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Post by CantDrive55Andy on Jun 14, 2014 12:15:58 GMT
The reason why Catchup is turned off is because it slows down the driver in first place. Yes, it'd be nice for everyone to finish the race but that's just not fair to the person in first. It just ruins the whole racing experience when you can easily catch up to the other races. Also, the reason why Slipstream is off is because (I think for just me personally) it's way too easy to accidentally hit someone when you're trying to overtake them. When someone takes a corner too wide, or wipes out that's when you can overtake them. See the following videos: Catchup video -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xfy7xEC3xISlipstream video -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDqD1QGR4UUAnd finally, how to improve (it's a Gran Turismo game, but the same aspects can be applied to GTA Online racing) -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvNB9J-OMU&list=PLx_tHjuVuROCLZ0sfTQCj0koZ1Fv6cNpMRacing is meant to be both fun and challenging. It's a skill that takes time to craft and perfect. Hope these helped, in some way! :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 12:37:44 GMT
The reason why Catchup is turned off is because it slows down the driver in first place. Yes, it'd be nice for everyone to finish the race but that's just not fair to the person in first. It just ruins the whole racing experience when you can easily catch up to the other races. Also, the reason why Slipstream is off is because (I think for just me personally) it's way too easy to accidentally hit someone when you're trying to overtake them. When someone takes a corner too wide, or wipes out that's when you can overtake them. See the following videos: Catchup video -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xfy7xEC3xISlipstream video -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDqD1QGR4UUAnd finally, how to improve (it's a Gran Turismo game, but the same aspects can be applied to GTA Online racing) -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvNB9J-OMU&list=PLx_tHjuVuROCLZ0sfTQCj0koZ1Fv6cNpMRacing is meant to be both fun and challenging. It's a skill that takes time to craft and perfect. Hope these helped, in some way! :-) I think you missed the entire point of what was being talked about. As far as non-contact goes, I have a rule I play by when hosting rooms. If the number of randoms out numbers crew, non contact is on. If it doesn't, I stick to standard. Non-contact has it's place, and can be fun as Malice said, but you might as well be running the track by yourself at that point. I understand the frustration of being spun out by some scrub who doesn't know what the brakes are supposed to be used for. It's happened to me quite a bit, but my reason for preferring contact on is that I feel more accomplished beating people in those races.
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Post by monsterzero on Jun 14, 2014 12:40:29 GMT
Well...im turning in my membership...just joined a muscle class Learning Curve hosted by Andy...he set it to standard and of course i got pitted by some non crew member...anyways I quit the crew...no point in being in a clean racing crew if every race is dirty///
And for the record im not a fan of catchup.nor slipstream,but when pitting is allowed,whats the point of trying to get back into the race...anyways,i was the new guy trying to learn to race:failure.See ya
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Post by CantDrive55Andy on Jun 14, 2014 12:55:58 GMT
The reason why Catchup is turned off is because it slows down the driver in first place. Yes, it'd be nice for everyone to finish the race but that's just not fair to the person in first. It just ruins the whole racing experience when you can easily catch up to the other races. Also, the reason why Slipstream is off is because (I think for just me personally) it's way too easy to accidentally hit someone when you're trying to overtake them. When someone takes a corner too wide, or wipes out that's when you can overtake them. See the following videos: Catchup video -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xfy7xEC3xISlipstream video -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDqD1QGR4UUAnd finally, how to improve (it's a Gran Turismo game, but the same aspects can be applied to GTA Online racing) -- www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvNB9J-OMU&list=PLx_tHjuVuROCLZ0sfTQCj0koZ1Fv6cNpMRacing is meant to be both fun and challenging. It's a skill that takes time to craft and perfect. Hope these helped, in some way! :-) I think you missed the entire point of what was being talked about. As far as non-contact goes, I have a rule I play by when hosting rooms. If the number of randoms out numbers crew, non contact is on. If it doesn't, I stick to standard. Non-contact has it's place, and can be fun as Malice said, but you might as well be running the track by yourself at that point. I understand the frustration of being spun out by some scrub who doesn't know what the brakes are supposed to be used for. It's happened to me quite a bit, but my reason for preferring contact on is that I feel more accomplished beating people in those races. Whoops, my bad! And you're absolutely right there!
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Post by CantDrive55Andy on Jun 14, 2014 13:02:45 GMT
Well...im turning in my membership...just joined a muscle class Learning Curve hosted by Andy...he set it to standard and of course i got pitted by some non crew member...anyways I quit the crew...no point in being in a clean racing crew if every race is dirty/// And for the record im not a fan of catchup.nor slipstream,but when pitting is allowed,whats the point of trying to get back into the race...anyways,i was the new guy trying to learn to race:failure.See ya While I'm sad to see you go, I hope you find what you're looking for. If you decide to change your mind, hopefully the Crew will welcome you back with open arms.
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Post by monsterzero on Jun 14, 2014 13:37:15 GMT
I prolly wont find what Im looking for.I still dont understand the difference between members complaining about dirty racing NODO members,and allowing into races non-NODO members.In the end youre still competing in a smashup derby.
But its your guys crew,you guys run it the way you want to,but for new members like me who joined to race clean and learn from better racers this "no non contact" racing philosophy is a major disappointment.
Its the same as joining a crew who dont kill each other in a private lobby,and one member decides to invite his buddies into the lobby who arent in the crew and they kill you.
You still get killed In NODO you still race dirty
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Post by ♛ZeNzI23 on Jun 14, 2014 14:07:46 GMT
I prolly wont find what Im looking for.I still dont understand the difference between members complaining about dirty racing NODO members,and allowing into races non-NODO members.In the end youre still competing in a smashup derby. But its your guys crew,you guys run it the way you want to,but for new members like me who joined to race clean and learn from better racers this "no non contact" racing philosophy is a major disappointment. Its the same as joining a crew who dont kill each other in a private lobby,and one member decides to invite his buddies into the lobby who arent in the crew and they kill you. You still get killed In NODO you still race dirty Don't expect to be a good racer in NoDo (bc the skill level is high) after only 2 weeks, it's a long, hard working progress so it takes time. Sometimes there join randoms unintentionally, happens to me as well and since you can't change to non-contact when invited have been sent it isn't possible. So when I host a lobby it's standard with only NoDo invited or people I know that are clean. And most of the time non-contact for randoms (happens almost never). And if there are randoms in your race, expect that they are going to pit you, don't be dumb and drive next to them, wait until the right moment to pass them. They will make mistake after a while. I'm sorry you feel that way, but there will always be people who host nodo only races and you can always host your own.
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Post by Trowa on Jun 14, 2014 14:19:54 GMT
meh, There are about 1000 members and if you only want to race non-contact then I personally would certainly not miss you if I was on ps3. You can join GTA Racing crew and race non-contact all day but I think you will find after losing every race by a landslide because they all have every track hotlapped to a T that non contact is not racing. It eliminates every aspect of racing and is purely who can hotlap best. You might as well race by yourself and go for best lap times because thats all it is. No one on this forum is a dirty racer and you have been here for all of 2 weeks with the bulk of your activity coming on this thread and probably havent built up enough friends within NoDo to get full lobbies of NoDO. On 360 this isnt a problem and we all play together 90% of the time with mics in and we make adjustments if dirty racing randoms are in the lobby warning each other and telling the host who to boot after the race. If you want to leave thats your choice and I wish you the best.
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Post by monsterzero on Jun 14, 2014 14:24:47 GMT
I prolly wont find what Im looking for.I still dont understand the difference between members complaining about dirty racing NODO members,and allowing into races non-NODO members.In the end youre still competing in a smashup derby. But its your guys crew,you guys run it the way you want to,but for new members like me who joined to race clean and learn from better racers this "no non contact" racing philosophy is a major disappointment. Its the same as joining a crew who dont kill each other in a private lobby,and one member decides to invite his buddies into the lobby who arent in the crew and they kill you. You still get killed In NODO you still race dirty Don't expect to be a good racer in NoDo (bc the skill level is high) after only 2 weeks, it's a long, hard working progress so it takes time. Sometimes there join randoms unintentionally, happens to me as well and since you can't change to non-contact when invited have been sent it isn't possible. So when I host a lobby it's standard with only NoDo invited or people I know that are clean. And most of the time non-contact for randoms (happens almost never). And if there are randoms in your race, expect that they are going to pit you, don't be dumb and drive next to them, wait until the right moment to pass them. They will make mistake after a while. I'm sorry you feel that way, but there will always be people who host nodo only races and you can always host your own. Im not expecting to be a good racer in 2 weeks...Im legally blind in real life,so im never going to Andretti,but having spent 99% of GTA O time riding motorcycles and driving Mananas and Tornados I do know there is room for improvement on my end. Again Im not railing against any NODO member,so far theyve all been clean racers.And even though I usually come in dead last,those of you who have played with me know I will keep coming back for more,trying to get better.But the insistence on leaving the option for a pit-fest open with non NODOs in the race makes zero,and I will repeat,ZERO sense to me.
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Post by monsterzero on Jun 14, 2014 14:33:21 GMT
No one on this forum is a dirty racer and you have been here for all of 2 weeks with the bulk of your activity coming on this thread and probably havent built up enough friends within NoDo to get full lobbies of NoDO. True...I spend most of my time playing...im already ranked 1st or 2nd in the entire crew in deathmatch kills,though R* Social club states that I have played zero DMs,but my kills are at or near the top.I dont know many NODOs,cuz nobody in this crew joins any DMs...I do DMs primarily,until a race invite comes in and then I join,then get pitted,and go back to DMs
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Post by Trowa on Jun 14, 2014 14:35:29 GMT
Don't expect to be a good racer in NoDo (bc the skill level is high) after only 2 weeks, it's a long, hard working progress so it takes time. Sometimes there join randoms unintentionally, happens to me as well and since you can't change to non-contact when invited have been sent it isn't possible. So when I host a lobby it's standard with only NoDo invited or people I know that are clean. And most of the time non-contact for randoms (happens almost never). And if there are randoms in your race, expect that they are going to pit you, don't be dumb and drive next to them, wait until the right moment to pass them. They will make mistake after a while. I'm sorry you feel that way, but there will always be people who host nodo only races and you can always host your own. Im not expecting to be a good racer in 2 weeks...Im legally blind in real life,so im never going to Andretti,but having spent 99% of GTA O time riding motorcycles and driving Mananas and Tornados I do know there is room for improvement on my end. Again Im not railing against any NODO member,so far theyve all been clean racers.And even though I usually come in dead last,those of you who have played with me know I will keep coming back for more,trying to get better.But the insistence on leaving the option for a pit-fest open with non NODOs in the race makes zero,and I will repeat,ZERO sense to me. I dont know how the ps3 guys run their lobbies but your description of the races doesnt accurately describe how our races on the 360 go down at all. If a random even gets in the race he is usually so far behind after the first turn you wont ever see him again unless you lap him or he starts driving the wrong way and if that happens he most certainly is getting booted.
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