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Post by Trowa on Dec 14, 2015 10:38:02 GMT
The card was great and the fight was as long as it needed to be. It will be interesting to see the UFC in 20 years when these fighters learn how to box. The striking in the UFC is so incredibly bad its a damn good thing they have the smaller gloves or we would never see KO's. Id say Mcgregor is the best striker in the UFC as the moment and I dont think he would last more than 2-3 rounds against a decent boxer. The really weird thing about the striking being so bad is the lack of wrestling in the UFC lately. There are some guys that wrestle but there are so many more strikers its insane and oddly they are mostly all "KO artists" even though their striking is meh. The striking is not "incredibly bad" unless you're comparing it to Mayweather or Giorgio Petrosyan. I think the striking will improve overall in the future, especially the footwork. But if you think it's incredibly bad at this point, I think you'll be dissappointed in 20 years time. It's simply not feasible to be absolutely elite in every facet of the game. Conor might be a head above most guys in terms of striking but his wrestling and grappling is sorely lacking compared to everyone else at the top of his division. I don't think the fight was as long as it should have been. For all we know, this is a Cain Velasquez v. Junior Dos Santos situation. It wasn't a fluke, but I would not rule out Aldo in a rematch. The striking is incredibly bad compared to AVERAGE BOXERS, not elite. If I was comparing UFC striking to elite boxing Id say its fucking awful and they generally look like 2 blind men having a go at a pinata. Its fucking awful and its not even debatable. That said 20 years from now the UFC will probably be even bigger and more viable as a career than it was for the fighters of today. There is no telling how many athletes might have chosen the UFC if MMA was bigger and more lucrative when they were younger. There are guys in the UFC that didnt start training until they were men. Imagine when you have kids at age 5 training and competing and what that does for your talent pool down the line. I dont ever expect the striking to be on par with elite boxing, you missed the point entirely. I was merely stating my bewilderment as to how these guys can be so awful at it when they are KNOWN for it. Daniel Cormier's of the world I understand but Connor McGregors of the world I dont get it. He prides himself on punching and he is OK but he isnt THAT good. I like both of them it just doesnt make sense.
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Post by ossiru on Dec 14, 2015 17:50:25 GMT
The striking is not "incredibly bad" unless you're comparing it to Mayweather or Giorgio Petrosyan. I think the striking will improve overall in the future, especially the footwork. But if you think it's incredibly bad at this point, I think you'll be dissappointed in 20 years time. It's simply not feasible to be absolutely elite in every facet of the game. Conor might be a head above most guys in terms of striking but his wrestling and grappling is sorely lacking compared to everyone else at the top of his division. I don't think the fight was as long as it should have been. For all we know, this is a Cain Velasquez v. Junior Dos Santos situation. It wasn't a fluke, but I would not rule out Aldo in a rematch. The striking is incredibly bad compared to AVERAGE BOXERS, not elite. If I was comparing UFC striking to elite boxing Id say its fucking awful and they generally look like 2 blind men having a go at a pinata. Its fucking awful and its not even debatable. That said 20 years from now the UFC will probably be even bigger and more viable as a career than it was for the fighters of today. There is no telling how many athletes might have chosen the UFC if MMA was bigger and more lucrative when they were younger. There are guys in the UFC that didnt start training until they were men. Imagine when you have kids at age 5 training and competing and what that does for your talent pool down the line. I dont ever expect the striking to be on par with elite boxing, you missed the point entirely. I was merely stating my bewilderment as to how these guys can be so awful at it when they are KNOWN for it. Daniel Cormier's of the world I understand but Connor McGregors of the world I dont get it. He prides himself on punching and he is OK but he isnt THAT good. I like both of them it just doesnt make sense. Alistair Overeem's is a K1 HWGP champion. If you consider his striking bad then I don't know what you consider good. He still gets knocked out several times by guys with vastly inferior kickboxing technique. That's because MMA striking is different from boxing/kickboxing in a fundamental way. The threat of a takedown, leg kicks, and clinching dictates a figher's stance, distancing, footwork. If Conor used anything remotely resembling a standard boxing stance and distance, Aldo would have battered his leg to pieces. Calling McGregor or Aldo bad strikers because they're not as good at boxing as a boxer is kind of odd. If your perspective on good striking is solely based on boxing you're not going about it the right way. That's almost like judging the clinching in a boxing match on greco roman clinching. Conor's MMA striking is brilliant. Watch this and tell what he gets wrong:
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Post by fBomb220 on Dec 15, 2015 4:12:48 GMT
The card was great and the fight was as long as it needed to be. Honestly, I wouldn't have even complained about it being 13 seconds if Aldo had won. I'm just so sick of loudmouth, disrespectful, douchebag McGregor.
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Post by fBomb220 on Jan 18, 2016 8:51:15 GMT
T.J. Dillashaw VS Dominick Cruz Great fight but I can't believe the judges gave that to Cruz??? In my book, T.J. clearly won rounds 1,4, and a closer round 5. Judge Tony Weeks scored it 49 to 46 for Cruz. What brand of crack was he smoking?
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Post by fBomb220 on Mar 6, 2016 8:45:37 GMT
Connor McGregor "I'm humble in victory or defeat." LMAO! Congrats to Nate! I honestly didn't think he could do it. Almost as satisfying as seeing Ronda Rousy getting KO'd!
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Post by SakiBomb on Mar 6, 2016 15:22:34 GMT
Didn't think Nate would pull it out either. However, looking at Conor's past of 2 (now 3) losses, if anyone were to give Conor his third loss, it would be a submission speciailist. Frankly, I think Conor got ahead of himself by wanting to fight anybody that would step up. It could've been just for him to gauge where he's at, but I think he jumped the gun by jumping two weight classes to fight at welter. I read that Conor actually had to work to GET UP to 170, and it was fairly clear he was smaller to Nate who probably walks around at 180ish. Conor was able to get some great striking in, but gassed himself by putting a lot of power into many of his punches. Unfortunately, as you get bigger, it usually requires more strength to knock someone out and Nate held on. I didn't think Holly would hold onto the belt very long. The only reason Holly schooled Ronda as bad as she did, was the difference in disciplines imo. Ronda wasn't able to get a grasp on Holly, who kept Ronda at a distance until knocking her out. Miesha was able to grab ahold of Holly and didn't let go. If Ronda makes a comeback, I think she has one of the strongest chances to get the belt back. Then, we're back to square one
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Post by fBomb220 on Mar 6, 2016 15:45:58 GMT
Agreed with all of that. That Holly vs Mesha vs Ronda seems to be a rock, paper, scissors situation. Those three might be swapping places for a few years until somebody retires.
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Post by ossiru on Mar 8, 2016 17:58:08 GMT
I don't dislike Conor, but I love seeing his clueless fanboys get shut down for once. I love how some of them are clinging to the fact that Conor went up two weightclasses to fight. The majority of his pre-UFC fights were at lightweight which is also Nate's weightclass when he has more than 11 days to prepare. He would do much worse against actual high level WWs and Lawler might actually have literally killed him if they fought. Hard to belive that was being discussed as a viable match-up a week ago.
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Post by NotTheJelly on Mar 8, 2016 20:08:02 GMT
Connor McGregor "I'm humble in victory or defeat." LMAO! Congrats to Nate! I honestly didn't think he could do it. Almost as satisfying as seeing Ronda Rousy getting KO'd! In all fairness, he is humble AFTER the fight no matter the result. BEFORE the fight though? It's all part of the game; the intimidation and the douchebaggery do contribute to his success in the octagon by getting under the skin of the opponent. Nothing wrong with that.
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Post by fBomb220 on Apr 20, 2016 2:30:48 GMT
Conor McGregor retiring after refusing to show up for press conferences? Sounds like the dumbest publicity stunt in history. No way he's going to pass up the biggest payday of his life. No way.
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Post by SakiBomb on Apr 20, 2016 4:01:06 GMT
Conor McGregor retiring after refusing to show up for press conferences? Sounds like the dumbest publicity stunt in history. No way he's going to pass up the biggest payday of his life. No way. Just read Dana pulled him from UFC 200. I'm sure he's definitely torn up about Carvalho's death, but I don't think he's completely finished with fighting...
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Post by ossiru on Apr 20, 2016 10:22:37 GMT
There's definitely more to this than what we have heard so far. Uncle Dana and the UFC pr-teams statements on this reek of BS.
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Post by fBomb220 on Apr 20, 2016 21:19:04 GMT
Conor McGregor retiring after refusing to show up for press conferences? Sounds like the dumbest publicity stunt in history. No way he's going to pass up the biggest payday of his life. No way. Just read Dana pulled him from UFC 200. I'm sure he's definitely torn up about Carvalho's death, but I don't think he's completely finished with fighting... I didn't realize Conor was there ringside for Charlie Ward at that fight. Well, that puts things into a different perspective. Witnessing that would be pretty horrible.
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Post by arsenalgunner20 on Apr 20, 2016 22:01:02 GMT
I just read UFC is coming to my country, quite close actually. Only 30 minutes with car.
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Post by SakiBomb on Apr 21, 2016 17:16:08 GMT
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