mrcleanup
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Post by mrcleanup on Jun 30, 2015 14:40:54 GMT
Okay I know I am from Tennessee, probably one of the worst states for being on one side or the other of this conversation. I will not go into too much depth of my beliefs I promise. Living in the south you are most likely going to be raised in the church. Most churches in the south preach the way certain things are wrong in the eyes of the Lord. Well from my experiences I personally lean more towards a philosophy that Gandhi taught, roughly translated, Love the Sinner but Hate the Sin. I know I am far from the norm when it comes to where I live, it is not my place to judge anyone for what they believe to be true. I always tell anyone that I talk to where I live, take care of yourself, live your life happy, and my favorite... Be the bigger person and take the higher road!!! tsunderella (Ch3rryBoyHunter) I say the more power to you for living your life happy! That is what everyone deserves! Trowa some people are very stupid about they go about speaking their beliefs, but respecting their beliefs is a part of living in a free country. You do not have to believe the same things, but not judging, condemning, or shaming others for what they believe is part of that freedom. I am on the same page as you personally, but some things just take time to change. Yeah, we've only had a couple thousand years I honestly do not know which subject I talked about that you are referring to, but in either situation over exaggerating in a serious conversation is not a good thing. For the abortion subject that I was speaking on to Trowa, it has been around for a few hundred years. On the note of same sex marriages, I personally do not know how long it has been going on, but grouping a vast majority of people with different beliefs together takes time to accomplish. Do you honestly expect things to just change over night? Speaking on Americans and this country, this country has only been around for a few hundred years also, so lay off with your over exaggerating!
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Post by Jackimo on Jun 30, 2015 14:54:00 GMT
Yeah, we've only had a couple thousand years I honestly do not know which subject I talked about that you are referring to, but in either situation over exaggerating in a serious conversation is not a good thing. For the abortion subject that I was speaking on to Trowa, it has been around for a few hundred years. On the note of same sex marriages, I personally do not know how long it has been going on, but grouping a vast majority of people with different beliefs together takes time to accomplish. Do you honestly expect things to just change over night? Speaking on Americans and this country, this country has only been around for a few hundred years also, so lay off with your over exaggerating! How am I over exaggerating? People have been ignorant and unaccepting for thousands of years, how long a particular country has been around is irrelevant. Even if so, it should not have taken the US over 200 years to sort this out.
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Post by KoBo_043 on Jun 30, 2015 14:56:57 GMT
Robodark, The Hague is 'kankah'-capital. In The Hague that word is (ab)used more often than the word "the"
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mrcleanup
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Post by mrcleanup on Jun 30, 2015 14:59:23 GMT
I honestly do not know which subject I talked about that you are referring to, but in either situation over exaggerating in a serious conversation is not a good thing. For the abortion subject that I was speaking on to Trowa, it has been around for a few hundred years. On the note of same sex marriages, I personally do not know how long it has been going on, but grouping a vast majority of people with different beliefs together takes time to accomplish. Do you honestly expect things to just change over night? Speaking on Americans and this country, this country has only been around for a few hundred years also, so lay off with your over exaggerating! How am I over exaggerating? People have been ignorant and unaccepting for thousands of years, how long a particular country has been around is irrelevant. Even if so, it should not have taken the US over 200 years to sort this out. Now you are just generalizing to make a different point, I see this is not going to productive. If you can not understand the point I am making, then talking with you about it would just be wasting my time.
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Post by Jackimo on Jun 30, 2015 15:05:10 GMT
How am I over exaggerating? People have been ignorant and unaccepting for thousands of years, how long a particular country has been around is irrelevant. Even if so, it should not have taken the US over 200 years to sort this out. Now you are just generalizing to make a different point, I see this is not going to productive. If you can not understand the point I am making, then talking with you about it would just be wasting my time. You are trying to say that these things take time. My point is that there has been enough time and that this should have been sorted out a long time ago. 200 years is ridiculous for, well, anything really.
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Post by mrcleanup on Jun 30, 2015 15:12:31 GMT
Now you are just generalizing to make a different point, I see this is not going to productive. If you can not understand the point I am making, then talking with you about it would just be wasting my time. You are trying to say that these things take time. My point is that there has been enough time and that this should have been sorted out a long time ago. 200 years is ridiculous for, well, anything really. I messaged you, because I am not going to get into this with you here. Everyone else please carry on with the positive of this thread.
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Post by Jackimo on Jun 30, 2015 15:14:46 GMT
You are trying to say that these things take time. My point is that there has been enough time and that this should have been sorted out a long time ago. 200 years is ridiculous for, well, anything really. I messaged you, because I am not going to get into this with you here. Everyone else please carry on with the positive of this thread. Have you even read the whole thing? This thread is literally just one argument after another.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 16:15:00 GMT
I messaged you, because I am not going to get into this with you here. Everyone else please carry on with the positive of this thread. Have you even read the whole thing? This thread is literally just one argument after another. Constructive, understanding, accepting. That's what this thread and it's arguments have been so far. Please try to keep things that way.
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Post by fox4flame on Jun 30, 2015 16:31:19 GMT
Congratualtions to tsunderella (Ch3rryBoyHunter) and her partner and to people who are suffering from this all over the world I live in Turkey, I, myself, am not a religious person, don't feel I belong to any belief whatsoever but, can't call myself atheist or anything like that and I am heterosexual. Anyway, to me, if you want to be with someone, there is nothing can stop you 2 to be together. I think marriage as a nonsense as its only use is declaring couple is together to the society ( at least I think its purpose is that ) and that is ridicoulous. Why should I sign papers, dress something and smile to people, holding hands. If you want be one, go be one. Is my opinion I gladly accept LGBT people as what they are as long as they respect me too
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 16:47:38 GMT
Congratualtions to tsunderella (Ch3rryBoyHunter) and her partner and to people who are suffering from this all over the world I live in Turkey, I, myself, am not a religious person, don't feel I belong to any belief whatsoever but, can't call myself atheist or anything like that and I am heterosexual. Anyway, to me, if you want to be with someone, there is nothing can stop you 2 to be together. I think marriage as a nonsense as its only use is declaring couple is together to the society ( at least I think its purpose is that ) and that is ridicoulous. Why should I sign papers, dress something and smile to people, holding hands. If you want be one, go be one. Is my opinion I gladly accept LGBT people as what they are as long as they respect me too Marriage is a cultural phenomenon that doesn't mean anything objectively. We get married anyways because humans want to fit into the giving culture they live in. Or maybe it's because of a life long dream, but dreams are based on the environment and society that we grow up in. I can only agree with you, personally I'm only going to get married if my future SO wishes to do so. That or if there is a huge financial benefit.
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Post by V12 on Jun 30, 2015 17:33:23 GMT
While I am of the same belief as marked with bold, wishing for a world where everyone share that view is simply unrealistic (not saying that you don't already know that). Stating that a lot of conflicts will go away if this was the case is the same as wishing if just everybody could understand that god loves everybody and if just everyone could realise that and follow his words. I completely agree, it was an idealistic comment. People should be able to follow whatever religion they wish no matter how ridiculous we think they are, but the problem here is when they try to force their beliefs on people who don't want them. The other side to this is forcing religions to perform marriages they don't agree with, which as you mentioned is complicated. As for your question of thought, tjezc☻ raises some good points. From what i've seen, the bible can be quite contradictory and open to interpretation so it's no surprise the Christian religions seem to cherry-pick their beliefs and adapt them over time. I don't believe anyone follows the bible word for word and some of the actions it condemns are perfectly acceptable today; but for some, homosexuality isn't at that point yet. Although this fight against gay marriage is clearly ingrained in certain cultures and religions, it can be changed in the same way other beliefs have. Hopefully i'm not straying too far from the subject.
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Post by endersai on Jun 30, 2015 23:26:49 GMT
Congratualtions to tsunderella (Ch3rryBoyHunter) and her partner and to people who are suffering from this all over the world I live in Turkey, I, myself, am not a religious person, don't feel I belong to any belief whatsoever but, can't call myself atheist or anything like that and I am heterosexual. Anyway, to me, if you want to be with someone, there is nothing can stop you 2 to be together. I think marriage as a nonsense as its only use is declaring couple is together to the society ( at least I think its purpose is that ) and that is ridicoulous. Why should I sign papers, dress something and smile to people, holding hands. If you want be one, go be one. Is my opinion I gladly accept LGBT people as what they are as long as they respect me too Just so we don't have issues in future, do you also accept the Armenian Genocide occurred and was a genocide?
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Post by fox4flame on Jul 1, 2015 0:57:47 GMT
Congratualtions to tsunderella (Ch3rryBoyHunter) and her partner and to people who are suffering from this all over the world I live in Turkey, I, myself, am not a religious person, don't feel I belong to any belief whatsoever but, can't call myself atheist or anything like that and I am heterosexual. Anyway, to me, if you want to be with someone, there is nothing can stop you 2 to be together. I think marriage as a nonsense as its only use is declaring couple is together to the society ( at least I think its purpose is that ) and that is ridicoulous. Why should I sign papers, dress something and smile to people, holding hands. If you want be one, go be one. Is my opinion I gladly accept LGBT people as what they are as long as they respect me too Just so we don't have issues in future, do you also accept the Armenian Genocide occurred and was a genocide? How is that thing related to what I typed there ? Also why would you assume there will be issues in future regarding that ? and between whom ?
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Post by endersai on Jul 1, 2015 1:04:36 GMT
You said Turkey; as a supporter of full recognition and reparations to the Armenians I wanted to be sure.
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Post by fox4flame on Jul 1, 2015 1:21:27 GMT
You said Turkey; as a supporter of full recognition and reparations to the Armenians I wanted to be sure. Hmm, on a second thought, I guessed you wanted to check if I feel good about US government recognized that genocide you mentioned. I have no good or bad feelings about if U.S reconginzed it. I didn't study it, don't know all the facts and thus can't make any judgment about the said genocide, can't say it happened or not or by whom. In the case of this thread's original topic, I feel happy for the LGBT people because I can see what they are going through. Regardless, that is not connected to what you asked me there. Only connection is both are made by U.S court. LGBT one is kind of universal, genocide is between nations. And me being happy for LGBT people doesn't cover me recognize unproven genocide. More importantly, It would change nothing or cause issues that I recongize it or not. If I say, this it's false, are you going to sue me or attack me with any means or something ? I have no problems with Armenians as I have no problem with Greeks or any nation you can think of Turkey is in bad relations over the past. This goes for people who support things like you are supporting. Anyway, that's that. That wouldn't cause any issue or trouble if we don't share same ideas bro
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