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Post by Trowa on Jul 9, 2014 6:00:35 GMT
The problem with your other thread wasnt that it was a bad idea it was that no one ever challenged anyone to a 1v1. The hotlapping thread imo has grown into a cancer of the crew and I personally think that we should of never allowed hotlap times into the thread. All times should of been from true races with proper racing lines and competition. Literally anyone could get a top time just hotlapping 1 track everyday for hours on in but for example the top times in LSGP have never even been close to being accomplished in any real race Ive been in. I think this will sort of make more competition in the crew and as a result grow more egos too. Personally I dont like the idea of this thread at all even as a competitive person. Mostly bc it goes against what NoDo is suppose to be about. Which is sharing ideas and thoughts on racing to makes us all better. This will just divide us into inner-crew gangs and make people more or less become rivals instead of friends. Maybe for another crew this would be good but Ive changed my opinion on hotlapping a lot recently. I think everything about it is anti-NoDo. Sorry to shoot the idea down I just dont think a competition like this embodies what NoDo is suppose to be about but thats my opinion. Trowa do you only hate hot lapping because you aren't on the top anymore? And because Chris took it, and wouldn't write his lines down (I've seen the lines, not much new), and then you say he must have cheated, but in that post let me quote you: "anyone could get a top time". I don't like the hot lapping either, but I do like the idea of gangs and territories, but maybe we could change it to a contact racing competition? Let's say: The gangs had to make a playlist of 3 races, and when challenged, both gangs go into that playlist (the owners of it, has to have the rules ready beforehand). At the end of the playlist, you sums up each score, and which ever gang got most in total, will win? And then we can make a rule saying: no non-contact. Does that sound better? Thats not it at all, however I know he lied and you just confirmed it. So thanks for that! Contact would be better but still divides the crew up into little cliques that are going to be rivals which is the polar opposite reason you join a crew. We should all be looking to help each other get better which was my major malfunction with his flat out lie. Idc that he is faster at hotlapping. Why should I? I care how he achieved a faster time knowing that he used different lines. Of course they arent much different. Neither are Aoi's(except one which I would share but she is working on a video for that so tis not my place) but when hotlapping every little bit makes a difference. We are talking about tenths of seconds here I remind you. What makes contact races better is that you cannot hide your lines and cannot cheat. Moreover if I cared about being the top time I wouldnt of told @orithos how to go faster on a track he was already better than me at. See here his new time after I mentioned 1 minor line adjustment. Thats what we do in NoDo. We help each other. Dont try to turn this on me because Chris got caught in a lie. I never questioned Doodle and hes been at the top of the board since day1. Why didnt I question him? Bc his times were believable given the known lines. If he had got a 1:35.1 I would of questioned him in the same way we all wanted to know how Twi did the first 1:40(prepatch) and first one 1:36 (post patch). No one has blown the top time out of the water without showing how. On top of all of that Ive never seen a 1:35 or 1:36 in a real race, not from Twi or Sean who I race with almost everyday. Further proving my point that hotlapping doesnt prove anything as I have beaten both of them many times on the track and lost many times to people with slower times. Its a pissing contest more or less when it should be "woah thats a blazing quick time, must of been a damn good race". I hope this sheds more light on the matter.
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Post by Simon #Krapea on Jul 9, 2014 6:49:17 GMT
Trowa do you only hate hot lapping because you aren't on the top anymore? And because Chris took it, and wouldn't write his lines down (I've seen the lines, not much new), and then you say he must have cheated, but in that post let me quote you: "anyone could get a top time". I don't like the hot lapping either, but I do like the idea of gangs and territories, but maybe we could change it to a contact racing competition? Let's say: The gangs had to make a playlist of 3 races, and when challenged, both gangs go into that playlist (the owners of it, has to have the rules ready beforehand). At the end of the playlist, you sums up each score, and which ever gang got most in total, will win? And then we can make a rule saying: no non-contact. Does that sound better? Thats not it at all, however I know he lied and you just confirmed it. So thanks for that! Contact would be better but still divides the crew up into little cliques that are going to be rivals which is the polar opposite reason you join a crew. We should all be looking to help each other get better which was my major malfunction with his flat out lie. Idc that he is faster at hotlapping. Why should I? I care how he achieved a faster time knowing that he used different lines. Of course they arent much different. Neither are Aoi's(except one which I would share but she is working on a video for that so tis not my place) but when hotlapping every little bit makes a difference. We are talking about tenths of seconds here I remind you. What makes contact races better is that you cannot hide your lines and cannot cheat. Chris proved the honor system clearly cannot be trusted anymore. Moreover if I cared about being the top time I wouldnt of told @orithos how to go faster on a track he was already better than me at. See here his new time after I mentioned 1 minor line adjustment. Thats what we do in NoDo. We help each other. Dont try to turn this on me because Chris got caught in a lie. I never questioned Doodle and hes been at the top of the board since day1. Why didnt I question him? Bc his times were believable given the known lines. If he had got a 1:35.1 I would of questioned him in the same way we all wanted to know how Twi did the first 1:40(prepatch) and first one 1:36 (post patch). No one has blown the top time out of the water without showing how. On top of all of that Ive never seen a 1:35 or 1:36 in a real race, not from Twi or Sean who I race with almost everyday. Further proving my point that hotlapping doesnt prove anything as I have beaten both of them many times on the track and lost many times to people with slower times. Its a pissing contest more or less when it should be "woah thats a blazing quick time, must of been a damn good race". I hope this sheds more light on the matter. What did he lie about? About using Twi's lines? That's not a lie, because he did, but with one minor change, maybe he didn't know Twi's line all correctly, because cross platform. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Post by Trowa on Jul 9, 2014 7:13:09 GMT
-__- Twi posted a video and he said specifically that he was using those lines. He lied saying he used the exact same lines. Any variation he made was purely to cut time and should of been shared with the crew. As I originally said "he either has new lines or he leap started" I stand by that because you have confirmed its true both here and on skype.
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Post by Simon #Krapea on Jul 9, 2014 7:14:47 GMT
I haven't said anything about leap starting?
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Post by Trowa on Jul 9, 2014 8:53:49 GMT
I haven't said anything about leap starting? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk True! I was just quoting myself. I dont think he leap started or I would hope not anyways, only that the lines are not the same and he should share them with us
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Post by Lupaciađź’• on Jul 9, 2014 12:18:25 GMT
The problem with your other thread wasnt that it was a bad idea it was that no one ever challenged anyone to a 1v1. The hotlapping thread imo has grown into a cancer of the crew and I personally think that we should of never allowed hotlap times into the thread. All times should of been from true races with proper racing lines and competition. Literally anyone could get a top time just hotlapping 1 track everyday for hours on in but for example the top times in LSGP have never even been close to being accomplished in any real race Ive been in. I think this will sort of make more competition in the crew and as a result grow more egos too. Personally I dont like the idea of this thread at all even as a competitive person. Mostly bc it goes against what NoDo is suppose to be about. Which is sharing ideas and thoughts on racing to makes us all better. This will just divide us into inner-crew gangs and make people more or less become rivals instead of friends. Maybe for another crew this would be good but Ive changed my opinion on hotlapping a lot recently. I think everything about it is anti-NoDo. Sorry to shoot the idea down I just dont think a competition like this embodies what NoDo is suppose to be about but thats my opinion. You do realise rivals can still be friends? I have loads of rivals in this crew, but I'm friends with all of them. This territory system was meant to be a fun challenge for people in this crew to take part in, not to tear us apart. I can see where you're coming from but this wasn't supposed to make people hate each other. It was supposed to be fun and nostalgic to the many people who played nfs carbon, and for those who didn't, well they still would find this fun. This crew is full of friendly people and I don't think they would hate each other just because one of them took over a part of Los Santos...
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Post by Trowa on Jul 9, 2014 12:37:09 GMT
The problem with your other thread wasnt that it was a bad idea it was that no one ever challenged anyone to a 1v1. The hotlapping thread imo has grown into a cancer of the crew and I personally think that we should of never allowed hotlap times into the thread. All times should of been from true races with proper racing lines and competition. Literally anyone could get a top time just hotlapping 1 track everyday for hours on in but for example the top times in LSGP have never even been close to being accomplished in any real race Ive been in. I think this will sort of make more competition in the crew and as a result grow more egos too. Personally I dont like the idea of this thread at all even as a competitive person. Mostly bc it goes against what NoDo is suppose to be about. Which is sharing ideas and thoughts on racing to makes us all better. This will just divide us into inner-crew gangs and make people more or less become rivals instead of friends. Maybe for another crew this would be good but Ive changed my opinion on hotlapping a lot recently. I think everything about it is anti-NoDo. Sorry to shoot the idea down I just dont think a competition like this embodies what NoDo is suppose to be about but thats my opinion. You do realise rivals can still be friends? I have loads of rivals in this crew, but I'm friends with all of them. This territory system was meant to be a fun challenge for people in this crew to take part in, not to tear us apart. I can see where you're coming from but this wasn't supposed to make people hate each other. It was supposed to be fun and nostalgic to the many people who played nfs carbon, and for those who didn't, well they still would find this fun. This crew is full of friendly people and I don't think they would hate each other just because one of them took over a part of Los Santos... Didnt mean that we cant be friends also, meant that it would give more incentive to not share information within the crew. Particularly if we went the hotlap route bc then you would never have to show your lines. Idk I just dont think its a good idea. Its slightly better when you force contact races on people because at least then the lines they use are public but if people are doing hotlap sessions alone constantly thats just that more people that could be racing and getting better at all tracks but are focusing in on hotlapping 1 track. Im guilty of this just much as any other person but Ive begun to see the light so to speak. Broughy is 100% right that hotlapping is a bit pointless and Im a bit ashamed that I wasted so much time hotlapping in the past when I could of been racing. It can help to some to degree obviously. Especially if you are really bad at a particular track and want to work on your racing lines but spending hours on end going around LSGP or any other track after you are already on the race pace seems absurd and a waste of time knowing what I know now. Which is, those lap times are unrealistic goals in a real race that are about a 1/1,000,000 chance of actually achieving and even if you do achieve those times its going to be in an effort to catch first place. Trying to go that fast while you have a lead in a race is honestly pretty dumb. I can tell you and Im sure most of the people in the top 10 of LSGP would agree that those kind of times RARELY if ever happen in a real race.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 14:17:09 GMT
See here his new time after I mentioned 1 minor line adjustment. I didn't even know you took a picture of that >.>
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Post by Hale on Jul 9, 2014 14:53:04 GMT
You flat out cannot go better than a high 35 using normal race lines. Im with trowa on the whole chris thing. also agree with him that all future laptimes should.be set in races. Its more proof.of a good driver than one banzai lap set over a three hour session
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Post by Pundip on Jul 9, 2014 15:10:55 GMT
I'd kinda of agree with Trowa on hotlapping as a whole. I don't really have an issue with the LSGP leaderboard times being set during hotlapping sessions but I would agree that this crew should have a focus on racing leaderboards of some kind as opposed to one off laptimes. Hence Blauze attempting to create some sort of constant competition here on the forum which is a commendable act in my opinion. At the end of the day there are always going to be differing opinions on hotlapping, and any topic for that matter, and the solution is simple. Don't participate if you don't agree with it. I am going to get involved because I love competition and competing is how I am going to get better. I don't think this is the right thread to debate hotlapping as this is a competition Blauze has clearly taken time to think/create/pinch from NFS .
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Post by nfsshadow on Jul 10, 2014 0:02:35 GMT
I'm about 40% done with preparing the map... should be up soon... LS will exist for about 15 territoriums... i will start on the upper area's tomorrow
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Post by Lupaciađź’• on Jul 10, 2014 0:20:10 GMT
I'm about 40% done with preparing the map... should be up soon... LS will exist for about 15 territoriums... i will start on the upper area's tomorrow 15 wow, that's a lot more than I put on my prototype map xD Anyway good luck
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Post by nfsshadow on Jul 11, 2014 15:46:31 GMT
The map is up people! time to create your crews!
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Post by Lupaciađź’• on Jul 12, 2014 17:42:11 GMT
Update on my team, LancerEvoWRC and MrMister have joined. The name is Wolf Street crew (May change if crew members don't like it) and the colour is Ultra blue and racing blue (For cars with Primary and Secondary paints).
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Post by adelbamkhayyar on Jul 12, 2014 17:57:00 GMT
IMO I really like how this idea twerks. However I'm a bit of a F* up since the only racetrack in which I actually am good @ is CC and that's it sadly, so I'll leave y'all do what you want, but if anyone ever needs me I'll be here for ya
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