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Post by Trowa on Jul 10, 2014 14:09:31 GMT
Fair enough. I assumed it would be a bit more of a debate between people wanting to take part as opposed to the team captain just deciding straight up. LSGP and North Loop are great choices. I would agree with the others in that CC may not be the best of choices (maybe that's because it's one of my weaker tracks) and making strategic decisions based on not only our crews strengths, but also the strengths and weaknesses of other crews that we challenge or get challenged by. I'll stand by the decisions you have made though and will be taking part in the qualifiers. Maybe next time everyone that wants in can post their choices and then the captain can choose/overrule decisions from that shortlist? i dont know where all you people get that CC is a track every crew exercises... and even if that's true... both crews know our chosen tracks so we can both practice on them now Its an extremely popular track, its 15th in total plays overall and Broughys super and sports video pulled nearly 500K views so far. So suffice to say just about anyone who cares about racing knows the track. Not only that Im in another crew called GTA Race Crew (pretty well known) with several of the other "top" racers on the xbox side and CC is one of their favorite tracks also. Personally idc what track you pick but I just want it to be clear that every single person telling you that CC is a bold choice or dangerous pick is right. 15th might not sound that high but take a look at the tracks that are before CC on that list and you will see that there are only 4 other tracks that are even remotely worthy of consideration. CC is hands down one of the most popular circuit tracks in gta thanks to Broughy almost exclusively.
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Post by nfsshadow on Jul 10, 2014 14:11:59 GMT
Its an extremely popular track, its 15th in total plays overall and Broughys super and sports video pulled nearly 500K views so far. So suffice to say just about anyone who cares about racing knows the track. Not only that Im in another crew called GTA Race Crew (pretty well known) with several of the other "top" racers on the xbox side and CC is one of their favorite tracks also. Personally idc what track you pick but I just want it to be clear that every single person telling you that CC is a bold choice or dangerous pick is right. 15th might not sound that high but take a look at the tracks that are before CC on that list and you will see that there are only 4 other tracks that are even remotely worth of consideration. CC is hands down one of the most popular circuit tracks in gta thanks to Broughy almost exclusively. i dont see this as a bold or risky move.. i trust our members and i know they'll do well on that track
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Post by Trowa on Jul 10, 2014 14:23:28 GMT
Its an extremely popular track, its 15th in total plays overall and Broughys super and sports video pulled nearly 500K views so far. So suffice to say just about anyone who cares about racing knows the track. Not only that Im in another crew called GTA Race Crew (pretty well known) with several of the other "top" racers on the xbox side and CC is one of their favorite tracks also. Personally idc what track you pick but I just want it to be clear that every single person telling you that CC is a bold choice or dangerous pick is right. 15th might not sound that high but take a look at the tracks that are before CC on that list and you will see that there are only 4 other tracks that are even remotely worth of consideration. CC is hands down one of the most popular circuit tracks in gta thanks to Broughy almost exclusively. i dont see this as a bold or risky move.. i trust our members and i know they'll do well on that track No one said they wont do well. Its a bold move bc you open the door for the opposing crew to get valuable points on a track that NoDo picked. They dont even need to practice for it bc they have all almost certainly run the track dozens of times. Its good you have faith in our racers, I wont fault you for that but you missed everyones point. Ideally every track we pick gives us some sort of leg up and thanks to Broughy a LOT of people use CC as both a test track and race it often as well. Thus eliminating the advantage you guys have but by all means pick it as I said before idc. Honestly we never race it on Xbox, not often anyways, so that played a big part for us not picking it since no one even suggested it. We picked Vespucci dreams bc its a quality track we actually race a lot and felt we would have a distinct advantage over VCCM. Like I said Im not trying to change your mind, only giving you cause to pause since you said you had no idea where this CC is popular track amongst all crews mindset comes from.
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Post by nfsshadow on Jul 10, 2014 14:35:42 GMT
No one said they wont do well. Its a bold move bc you open the door for the opposing crew to get valuable points on a track that NoDo picked. They dont even need to practice for it bc they have all almost certainly run the track dozens of times. Its good you have faith in our racers, I wont fault you for that but you missed everyones point. Ideally every track we pick gives us some sort of leg up and thanks to Broughy a LOT of people use CC as both a test track and race it often as well. Thus eliminating the advantage you guys have but by all means pick as I said before idc. Honestly we never race it on Xbox, not often anyways, so that played a big part for us not picking it since no one even suggested it. We picked Vespucci dreams bc its a quality track we actually race a lot and felt we would have a distinct advantage over VCCM. Like I said Im not trying to change your mind, only giving you cause to pause since you said you had no idea where this CC is popular track amongst all crews mindset comes from. They dont even need to practice for it bc they have all almost certainly run the track dozens of times So have we... you dont play on the ps3 so you couldnt know thatI'm sure we (being NoDo) are not the only one racing BV's... which is about the only R* tracks we race.. im also sure they already checked out our playlists and knew what races we could chooseas said before... im sure we'll do better on this track than them... i know the PS3 side of the community and you know the 360 side... dont mix them up because they're simply not the samealso... this thread is not the place to discuss this... if you want these deep going discussions then take it on privatly through PM or skype
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Post by Trowa on Jul 10, 2014 14:50:21 GMT
Lol Alright man. I was just trying to give you insight but you took it the wrong way. Wasnt saying I know your community better than you. I wish the PS3 guys the best of luck.
“There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent." -Lao Tzu
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Post by nfsshadow on Jul 10, 2014 14:52:39 GMT
Lol Alright man. I was just trying to give you insight but you took it the wrong way. Wasnt saying I know your community better than you. I wish the PS3 guys the best of luck. “There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent." -Lao Tzu sorry... maybe i took it a bit personally... this is my first time setting something like this up and maybe im rushing things...
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Post by Trowa on Jul 10, 2014 15:07:41 GMT
Lol Alright man. I was just trying to give you insight but you took it the wrong way. Wasnt saying I know your community better than you. I wish the PS3 guys the best of luck. “There is no greater danger than underestimating your opponent." -Lao Tzu sorry... maybe i took it a bit personally... this is my first time setting something like this up and maybe im rushing things... Its cool man I was just trying to share my competitive insight since I come from the competitive shooter scene. It may not apply in terms of gameplay but generally speaking you want your best boards to break the mould no matter how good you are at the most popular boards because EVERYONE is relatively good at them and you dont want to be relying on superiority on a board that everyone is good at to some degree. It probably applies to racing even more so because of all the random variables you cant control as a racer that I never had to deal with competing in MLG because shooters are predictable like Chess and racing is more like throwing darts while blindfolded imo.
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Post by Broughy1322 on Jul 10, 2014 15:42:32 GMT
The heart of the point everyone is alluding to here is that whilst we may be better than them at CC, we won't be "that" much better due to the popularity of the track.
For example NoDo might be one second per lap quicker than VCCM on CC, but 3 seconds per lap quicker on another track of similar length that VCCM don'r play as much. It gives more of a margin to come through and get better results on our track (if anything it's probably an advantage to let them declare their tracks first, who knows, they might have picked CC).
There's nothing wrong with choosing it, it's just that due to its popularity any advantage we may have probably isn't as large as it would be on some other rockstar tracks from the BV playlists that aren't quite as popular overall.
But it's just something to keep in mind for next time. Since we've been having to rush this one on both sides due to this being our first battle there really hasn't been any time to hold any polls or track discussions or anything like that. I'm thinking for the next one there will be.
One final thing - the endurance event for the north loop was sports (specifically using the elegy for half) and the LSGP hotlapping is using supers. Would it not be wise to keep that as the consistent choice for the playlist so there's less "re-learning" that needs to be done? Just something to ponder anyway.
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Post by nfsshadow on Jul 10, 2014 16:20:26 GMT
One final thing - the endurance event for the north loop was sports (specifically using the elegy for half) and the LSGP hotlapping is using supers. Would it not be wise to keep that as the consistent choice for the playlist so there's less "re-learning" that needs to be done? Just something to ponder anyway. I already said that we'd be using this setup to VCCM... the only reason i did it like this is because i wanted sports and supers in because i feel comfortable with those... we use those classes simply the most and i realize we're not the only one when it comes to that... as for the tracks in combination with the classes... i chose that because i thought North Loop would take longer to finish... after that i realized we eliminated that difference with the amount of laps... im doing my best here and this is my first time setting something like this up... i've asked blauze for help but i guess i didnt check everything with him or anyone else
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Post by Jontti500 on Jul 10, 2014 16:22:29 GMT
would like to sign up but i work from 13-20 BST on the 16TH.
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Post by Broughy1322 on Jul 10, 2014 17:07:20 GMT
One final thing - the endurance event for the north loop was sports (specifically using the elegy for half) and the LSGP hotlapping is using supers. Would it not be wise to keep that as the consistent choice for the playlist so there's less "re-learning" that needs to be done? Just something to ponder anyway. I already said that we'd be using this setup to VCCM... the only reason i did it like this is because i wanted sports and supers in because i feel comfortable with those... we use those classes simply the most and i realize we're not the only one when it comes to that... as for the tracks in combination with the classes... i chose that because i thought North Loop would take longer to finish... after that i realized we eliminated that difference with the amount of laps... im doing my best here and this is my first time setting something like this up... i've asked blauze for help but i guess i didnt check everything with him or anyone else Don't worry about it man, they're all just suggestions
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Post by smitveedub aka inFamous_Smithy on Jul 10, 2014 18:24:28 GMT
Can I sign up for this pls
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Post by Pundip on Jul 10, 2014 18:28:34 GMT
As broughy said, they're all just suggestions. To be fair I hadn't fully taken into consideration how quickly these decisions had to made in order for us to have 1) Everyone sign up. 2) Make the necessary communications with VCCM 3) Hold our own qualifying session. So with that in mind I completely understand the decisions you have made so far. I do still think at least a day of discussions with the PS3 crew members that want to take part wouldn't have done any harm within the time constraints for this first event. The playlist needs to be published 3 days prior to the event. Which in my opinion means qualifying should in future take place the evening before the playlist is published (obviously there should be some leniency if some people cannot make it). That would give us the maximum amount of time available to evaluate everyones opinion fairly. Again I understand the need for haste with this first one as it was already kind of last minute anyway, but it is only Thursday and both crews already know each others tracks 6 days in advance of the race, instead of 3 days which could give one crew the edge over another. This is a more in depth reasoning for what I was trying to put across earlier. Just trying to give some constructive opinions for future events And nfsshadow this is by no means anything you should take personally. I may have opinions and ideas in my head on how I see this panning out, but implementing and organising such an event is a completely different story so well done. You said you have reached out to Blauze for his help. Even though I'm not a senior member in these forums I would always be on hand to help out if you need it
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Post by nfsshadow on Jul 10, 2014 18:45:12 GMT
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Post by adelbamkhayyar on Jul 10, 2014 18:46:57 GMT
Well, good luck guys but if anyone wants any help on CC just tell me on PSN I'll always be reading the messages
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