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Nov 14, 2015 19:50:11 GMT
Post by vxwk on Nov 14, 2015 19:50:11 GMT
An absolute needless waste of life. Religion does not come into this, they are cowards and terrorists front and foremost. Terrorism has no religion. To all the narrow minded simpletons out there, getting angry at the Islamic faith is exactly what they wanted to happen from this attack. The 1% of Muslims who are extremists do not speak and act for the rest. I feel mostly for the innocent people who died and all the families affected but secondly I feel for the Muslims who will be discriminated even more by absolute idiots. They feel just as bad about this as you do. In a time where humanity needs to unite, do not unite against the innocent, unite against terrorism. Hopefully one day we can live in a world without them. We cant unite until ALL religion is dead. The quest for the truth through the pursuit of knowledge and wonderment of the magnificence of the knowledge aquired should be where the human mind gets its spirituality. not from an ancient book written by a middle eastern shepherd thousands of years ago. Saying "religion doesnt come into this" is ignorant and its getting old. No offence vxwk <3 I have to disagree. Religion can be the only hope in life for people living in poverty and despair. Frankly religion will never die because you can't kill a belief. It unites communities and generally encourages good, social behavior. With the majority of the world being religious, attempting to take it away wouldn't work unless you want to kill everyone that's religious.
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Nov 14, 2015 20:06:03 GMT
Post by thefroc on Nov 14, 2015 20:06:03 GMT
We cant unite until ALL religion is dead. The quest for the truth through the pursuit of knowledge and wonderment of the magnificence of the knowledge aquired should be where the human mind gets its spirituality. not from an ancient book written by a middle eastern shepherd thousands of years ago. Saying "religion doesnt come into this" is ignorant and its getting old. No offence vxwk <3 I have to disagree. Religion can be the only hope in life for people living in poverty and despair. Frankly religion will never die because you can't kill a belief. It unites communities and generally encourages good, social behavior. With the majority of the world being religious, attempting to take it away wouldn't work unless you want to kill everyone that's religious. "It unites communities and generally encourages good, social behavior." yeah i kind of agree, except when you balance it with the shit they bring with it did they really need it in the first place? The Catholics were the first to go and help poverty stricken africans. But they also built churches for these people who had never heard of jesus and started preaching. They told them using contraception was a sin. So these people bred like wildfire and now there are even more mouths to feed and theres more AIDS. All they did was exacerbate the problem. Force for good? theyd have been better off without it! Source:
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Nov 14, 2015 20:19:17 GMT
Post by vxwk on Nov 14, 2015 20:19:17 GMT
I have to disagree. Religion can be the only hope in life for people living in poverty and despair. Frankly religion will never die because you can't kill a belief. It unites communities and generally encourages good, social behavior. With the majority of the world being religious, attempting to take it away wouldn't work unless you want to kill everyone that's religious. "It unites communities and generally encourages good, social behavior." yeah i kind of agree, except when you balance it with the shit they bring with it did they really need it in the first place? The Catholics were the first to go and help poverty stricken africans. But they also built churches for these people who had never heard of jesus and started preaching. They told them using contraception was a sin. So these people bred like wildfire and now there are even more mouths to feed and theres more AIDS. All they did was exacerbate the problem. Force for good? theyd have been better off without it! Source: Of course there are some cases where it has caused issues which is why I said generally, but for the most part it does good. Gives people something to do, especially the elderly. If you compare the demographic transition models of countries today with ones from the past you'll see that more and more countries are moving into stage 4, meaning there are now more elderly people than ever as healthcare is improving. Religion for them gets them out and gives them something to do. For young children it can influence good behavior. At young ages the mind is easily moulded and religions can influence those kids to do good and look out for others.
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Post by thefroc on Nov 14, 2015 20:32:38 GMT
"It unites communities and generally encourages good, social behavior." yeah i kind of agree, except when you balance it with the shit they bring with it did they really need it in the first place? The Catholics were the first to go and help poverty stricken africans. But they also built churches for these people who had never heard of jesus and started preaching. They told them using contraception was a sin. So these people bred like wildfire and now there are even more mouths to feed and theres more AIDS. All they did was exacerbate the problem. Force for good? theyd have been better off without it! Source: Of course there are some cases where it has caused issues which is why I said generally, but for the most part it does good. Gives people something to do, especially the elderly. If you compare the demographic transition models of countries today with ones from the past you'll see that more and more countries are moving into stage 4, meaning there are now more elderly people than ever as healthcare is improving. Religion for them gets them out and gives them something to do. For young children it can influence good behavior. At young ages the mind is easily moulded and religions can influence those kids to do good and look out for others. I agree about the old people. i dont debate with loved ones coz they rely on it and if it helps them i know they aint gonna hurt anyone so why ruin it for them? or upset them. The children tho i disagree. i actually find the indoctrination of these innocent minds with a parent-chosen religion offensive. I think they should be taught about all of them in equal measure. And there are hundreds.
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Paris.
Nov 14, 2015 21:47:55 GMT
Post by kipper2323 on Nov 14, 2015 21:47:55 GMT
Wow...what happened was beyond evil...the event itself and the retaliation. Will pray for the souls of those now in Purgatory and those in mourn
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Post by stormcaller3801 on Nov 15, 2015 0:45:16 GMT
To judge all of Islam based upon Wahhabism is no different than to judge all Christians based upon Southern Baptists; all it serves is to legitimize one faction's beliefs over the others, while holding the entirety of the population responsible for the acts of a relative few.
The truth of the matter is the failing is within the nature of mankind, not religion. Hatred and intolerance can be justified in many ways- and it can be directed for many reasons, with the words of a book being only one of them. When it comes to finishing the statement, "They deserve it because," we are as a species quite capable of finding justifications.
If we are to be better than those who did these things, let us not judge one another by anything save what is within the heart of the individual, and how they would act towards their fellow man. Judge not what need not be judged, and find a better path towards coexistence with those both steps and worlds away.
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Post by nudeltime on Nov 15, 2015 0:49:09 GMT
I just have to say this, it's something that annoys me everytime something like this happens. Feel free to ban me or do whatever based on my opinion, but it will not change.
All this begging for likes on social media is just awful and disrespectful to the people that died. What about child slavery in India? Nobody cares because they want cheap clothes and electronics. "Well, gotta deal with it". Where's the outrage? The hashtags? Of course terrorists are bad. I'm not denying that. But we should also look at our own practices. The main forces in the world should come to a conclusion, not sit around letting everyone do something else.
What terrorists (ISIS) are trying to achieve: 1. Make people believe that Muslims = terrorists 2. People have the opinion of all Muslims being terrorists and express it everywhere 3. Muslims feel disrespected, join terrorist forces like ISIS 4. Repeat on a larger scale
If we don't do something about this and make people aware of the CAUSES and PRACTICES of terrorist groups, they will keep thinking making a hashtag trend worldwide actually does something.
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Post by ossiru on Nov 15, 2015 1:55:12 GMT
What terrorists (ISIS) are trying to achieve: 1. Make people believe that Muslims = terrorists 2. People have the opinion of all Muslims being terrorists and express it everywhere 3. Muslims feel disrespected, join terrorist forces like ISIS 4. Repeat on a larger scale Sure, ISIS are doing things like that to get people to join. But the reason they're doing these things is because of what they believe in. ISIS is a genuine religious group with core beliefs that they base on islamic doctrine(not a mainstream islamic belief obviously). I'd suggest to anyone to read this when you have the time (it's really long): www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/It's an incredible and nuanced article that helped me understand the situation way better. Anyway I just came here to say stay strong, France. As a norwegian I'd like to think I have at least some idea of the fear, pain and sadness you're all feeling. As one of the victims of the 22/7/11 attacks in Norway said: "If one man can show so much hate, just think how much love we all together can create."
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Paris.
Nov 15, 2015 8:13:53 GMT
Post by Archer on Nov 15, 2015 8:13:53 GMT
120 people killed. 120 lives cut short. 120 lives which could have went on to do incredible things. Although I know it's a sad thing, I try to avoid letting it sit in my mind for too long. Nothing against Paris, or the people who lost their lives, but I'd rather not let this get the better of me.
One thing I suppose pretty much everyone is forgetting at this point is that violence does not solve problems. Heard about some scumbag who burned a refugee camp just because Muslims. And I don't find it too hard to believe that France, the US, or both are going to try and fight these terror groups head-on. There HAS to be a better way to fix this than to kill thousands of people, innocent of the original action, because 120 died. It's a tragedy, but it's not worth committing an act of sin just to make amends. 9/11/01 was exactly this; 4 people killed ~2700 people, and the US went into the middle east, and killed fifty times that in some militarized version of payback.
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Post by KoBo_043 on Nov 15, 2015 8:26:25 GMT
To everybody quoting verses from the bible/quran, just stop please. Allthough (up untill now) it's a very friendly discussion over here, a discussion about religion or faith is a discussion without an end.
KKK (White extremists) and the Black Panthers (Black extremists) both quote from the same bible. It's all about context. The way I see it, both the bible and the quran are essentially a set of guidelines to make people live in peace, get mental strenghth, and treat eachother right. Quoting a single line out of an entire book, and saying that's the core message is just false.
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Post by vxwk on Nov 15, 2015 8:58:17 GMT
both the bible and the quran are just false. ^Just showing how people end up getting these so called "quotes" from the Bible and Quran etc. Indeed it is all about context. You could take one line of quote from anything and have it look like it is backing your view. Just like you can't judge a book by it's cover, you can't judge a whole faith on a single quote.
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Paris.
Nov 15, 2015 9:13:01 GMT
Post by KoBo_043 on Nov 15, 2015 9:13:01 GMT
both the bible and the quran are just false. ^Just showing how people end up getting these so called "quotes" from the Bible and Quran etc.Indeed it is all about context. You could take one line of quote from anything and have it look like it is backing your view. Just like you can't judge a book by it's cover, you can't judge a whole faith on a single quote. Exactly my point.
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Post by RcNumbers on Nov 15, 2015 9:23:00 GMT
I'm getting sick of this terrorism! I don't think it has a lot to do with religion, i don't know tho... I'm starting to fear for this terrorism a bit too cause it happened in Lebanon and Paris, i hope it does not happen in the other countries. My thoughts go to the family and friends of the lost ones. R.I.P
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 10:27:01 GMT
All this begging for likes on social media is just awful and disrespectful to the people that died.
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Nov 15, 2015 10:28:48 GMT
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