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Post by cameronman1329 on Jul 31, 2016 20:36:08 GMT
Rosberg didn't turn full lock straight away as he would've locked up caused by Max swerving late. I know Darn is Dutch, I take it Jefferey is too? Hard to find people to argue Max's case that aren't Dutch. FYI I'm a huge hater of Nico Rosberg and I'm defending him. If he locked up, he would've completely crashed. Max moving in the braking zone is stupid. You do realise that many drivers had a word with him about how aggressive and dangerously he drives. Don't move in the braking zone and the whole thing would be avoided. Don't start crying on team radio because someone did a move that wasn't half as bad as what you did to Kimi. And wipe that smug grin off your face for once
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Post by Oh_Darn on Jul 31, 2016 21:32:08 GMT
Rosberg didn't turn full lock straight away as he would've locked up caused by Max swerving late. I know Darn is Dutch, I take it Jefferey is too? Hard to find people to argue Max's case that aren't Dutch. FYI I'm a huge hater of Nico Rosberg and I'm defending him. If he locked up, he would've completely crashed. Max moving in the braking zone is stupid. You do realise that many drivers had a word with him about how aggressive and dangerously he drives. Don't move in the braking zone and the whole thing would be avoided. Don't start crying on team radio because someone did a move that wasn't half as bad as what you did to Kimi. And wipe that smug grin off your face for once I can taste the salt
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Post by cameronman1329 on Jul 31, 2016 21:48:22 GMT
Rosberg didn't turn full lock straight away as he would've locked up caused by Max swerving late. I know Darn is Dutch, I take it Jefferey is too? Hard to find people to argue Max's case that aren't Dutch. FYI I'm a huge hater of Nico Rosberg and I'm defending him. If he locked up, he would've completely crashed. Max moving in the braking zone is stupid. You do realise that many drivers had a word with him about how aggressive and dangerously he drives. Don't move in the braking zone and the whole thing would be avoided. Don't start crying on team radio because someone did a move that wasn't half as bad as what you did to Kimi. And wipe that smug grin off your face for once I can taste the salt I can taste the biased Dutch rooting for someone that clearly is on the border of crashing someone every race. And yes I dislike Verstappen, but I dislike Rosberg more, so I am not biased
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Post by Oh_Darn on Jul 31, 2016 21:54:11 GMT
I can taste the biased Dutch rooting for someone that clearly is on the border of crashing someone every race. And yes I dislike Verstappen, but I dislike Rosberg more, so I am not biased I know I'm biased, I don't give a shit. I'm just glad there finally is a Dutch driver who does well in F1. {Spoiler}
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Post by positivetension on Jul 31, 2016 21:54:51 GMT
It looked like Rosberg just took too much speed into the corner and then decided to do the same thing as in Austria. If you are going to dive up the inside of someone then you can't go to the outside edge of the corner before turning whilst forcing the other driver off the track.
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Post by cameronman1329 on Jul 31, 2016 21:58:10 GMT
It looked like Rosberg just took too much speed into the corner and then decided to do the same thing as in Austria. If you are going to dive up the inside of someone then you can't go to the outside edge of the corner before turning whilst forcing the other driver off the track. I would agree but the fact Verstappen moved in the braking zone meant he had to re adjust. If Verstappen didn't move it would've been fine (seeing as he took that braking point at every lap usually it would be like a normal corner). Moving in the braking zone with a car near you is just wtf He will cause a crash, I mean Kimi lost a wing last week, he's gonna lose a car soon
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Post by jeffreyb1990 on Jul 31, 2016 22:42:12 GMT
It looked like Rosberg just took too much speed into the corner and then decided to do the same thing as in Austria. If you are going to dive up the inside of someone then you can't go to the outside edge of the corner before turning whilst forcing the other driver off the track. I would agree but the fact Verstappen moved in the braking zone meant he had to re adjust. If Verstappen didn't move it would've been fine (seeing as he took that braking point at every lap usually it would be like a normal corner). Moving in the braking zone with a car near you is just wtf He will cause a crash, I mean Kimi lost a wing last week, he's gonna lose a car soon I don't know what the price of salt is these days, but if it's high enough I would like to buy your salt mine.
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Post by endersai on Jul 31, 2016 22:43:17 GMT
Rosberg didn't turn full lock straight away as he would've locked up caused by Max swerving late. I know Darn is Dutch, I take it Jefferey is too? Hard to find people to argue Max's case that aren't Dutch. FYI I'm a huge hater of Nico Rosberg and I'm defending him. Hi. Verstappen was in the right. Rosberg, a two times never will be world champion, fucked up. Firstly, let me say, as an Australian I think Dutch fans overhype Max a bit and when i hear people say he's better than Ricciardo I think... no, lol. Not yet. He will be one day but with 100 grands prix under his belt and having outdriven a 4 times WDC in Sebastian Vettel you underestimate Danny at your own peril. I also think his defending at Austria against Kimi was actually too aggressive and he was in the wrong. Finally, I am a HUGE fan of late braking overtakes and will do so in GTA, pCARS, the F1 games at any opportunity. Nico was simply too far back to actually pull this move off properly. We know his actual racecraft isn't that great based on how he loses battles more than he wins them. A better racing driver wouldn't have tried for that move. By starting his attack at a point where no sane nor reasonable driver did, he caught Max off guard which is why you see Max start to defend then back out of the defence. You're right that had Nico turned under braking, he would have locked up, which questions the move even more in my mind. Nico wanted the place desperately because Lewis was in P1 and he made a desperate and stupid move to get it. The penalty was right and deserved, 100%. The extra points penalty on the licence? Also deserved. Now, suggestions Max can do no wrong are silly. Jeffrey already pointed out he was penalised by the FIA when Grosjean brake checked him; it just sounds like salty, sour grapes. He brings a vitality and energy to F1 that's been sorely missing for many years. He and Daniel Ricciardo race purely; they are fast, they don't mind getting wheel to wheel, and it's fantastic to watch. And in the green room after there was a genuine respect there, as they talked about Max's move at Turn 1. I was talking to Oh_Darn about this over Steam chat during the race; moves like that are so risky because they can bring about a double DNF for the team and if it'd been Mercedes they'd have touched. I also worried that Max would repeat Singapore last year; whenever Carlos Sainz was asked to let Max through, he complied but Max wouldn't in response. Now I don't know if he lifted to let Daniel through or just recognised they were on different strategies but Max played a team game when he let Daniel go without a fight, and that was literally the last area of concern i had. Stop disliking the kid; because we were never this good at 18 behind any wheel and it's electric to watch someone that young race with racecraft people almost twice his age don't have. Also, I'm really sorry that this is a thing in parts of Australia. I agree with Lewis and Max here...
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Post by endersai on Jul 31, 2016 22:45:39 GMT
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Post by RichardQG on Aug 1, 2016 1:12:11 GMT
Yes, okay. He didn't do it on purpose. So he shouldn't get a penalty because he didn't do it on purpose? He braked to late, let the car straight and turned very late. As a result he ran Verstappen wide off the track and got a (relatively light) penalty. I don't really see the problem. Also remember that Verstappen had to say something about it, otherwise he might (theoretically) even get penalised for track limits himself. And yes, stuards are less consistent than my Internet connection, but I wouldn't bring up this example as an obvious misstep. (Also hasn't Lauda said it was Rosberg's mistake? I cam vaguely remember something like that )
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Post by endersai on Aug 1, 2016 2:26:32 GMT
I do disagree with Antony's view and did when I was watching the post-race Sky show.
His key words for me are "it was a very late move from Nico". Correct. It was. That hairpin is much tighter than it looks on TV and Nico's move was wildly ambitious to the point of being amateurish.
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Post by cameronman1329 on Aug 1, 2016 7:51:55 GMT
1) yes I am salty Jefferey, I'm salty because there are inconsistencies in decisions from the FIA, and yes I'll be glad to sell you my salt
2) Ender, I completely agree if Max didn't move in the braking zone. IF Max didn't move in the braking zone I would agree with a penalty, but that late movement WHICH IS NOT ALLOWED and usually results in a penalty, made Rosberg readjust which is why it all happened. That move would have worked I think without Max doing that, and even if it wouldn't have it doesn't matter. Moving in the braking zone with a driver near you is fucking dangerous. Max could have caused multiple crashes in the last two Grand Prixs.
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Post by endersai on Aug 1, 2016 8:07:32 GMT
I agree with Kimi; I disagree strongly here. Rosberg's move was ridiculous amateur for a guy who lucks his way into holding 1st place in the driver's title for his teammate. He shouldn't be in that car if he tries moves like this.
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Post by Benimi on Aug 1, 2016 8:32:02 GMT
I agree with Kimi; I disagree strongly here. Rosberg's move was ridiculous amateur for a guy who lucks his way into holding 1st place in the driver's title for his teammate. He shouldn't be in that car if he tries moves like this. Luck was always on Hamilton's side. Last season Rosberg had technical issues on Fridays 14 times out of 19 weeks. Hamilton had 3 on Saturdays. Rosberg had one less engine, thanks to liquide leaking, and an another one blown up, because it was used too much. This season, every technical difficulties Hamilton had was because he could find the right program on his car, and destroyed his own engines. ------ Rosberg was avoiding a crash in Germany, which has priority over rules. Verstappen's late move caused the situation where Rosberg needed to avoid the crash, with a move is against the rules, and he wasn't avoiding any situation which would have ended in a crash. Rosberg was forced to do the corner like that (he needed to adjust his line and speed to not crash into Verstappen on the braking zone, he had more speen because of this, so he couldn't turn before, he was standing on the brakes after the apex, unlike in Austria, where he wasn't). Avoiding a crash is the right thing to do, and someone got a penalty for it, and this is just stupid.
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Post by jsantospt on Aug 1, 2016 8:34:29 GMT
Actually the Verstappen penalty on Monaco, adds nothing to this discussion but people still think he was brake checked.
Data actually shows Grosjean braked 5 meters later than in the previous lap
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