gtking1st
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Post by gtking1st on Sept 26, 2014 5:11:18 GMT
In short, what would be your guys opinions if the vehicles of the near future changed, and not only about fuels, but also other things as well. and feel free to post about something that is different or new to vehicles. and or ideas (lets keep it friendly ^-^)
even though this is way past half a year old, i wouldn't be surprised if many haven't heard of the: Quant e-SportLimousine, Site , Stats . who here can believe it runs on Salt Water.., but what if other vehicles started to run on that too, whats your input,?
Mentioned Fuels: Nano Flow Cell Hydrogen Fuel Cell ..,
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parksguard
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Post by parksguard on Sept 26, 2014 5:15:23 GMT
Well, things look to be going to hydrogen fuel cell in the future in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2014 5:25:39 GMT
I just saw that new Vsauce video featuring the car you're talking about.
Definitely a revolutionary concept.
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Post by ChrisDE22 on Sept 26, 2014 9:54:52 GMT
Some really impressive 0-60 and top speed numbers there as well as the range, if only they could do something about the weight though, batteries are really really heavy and they ruin a car's handling. Still its a big step forwards.....
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Post by Pundip on Sept 26, 2014 10:18:42 GMT
It's not going to happen anytime soon if we (generally and collectively) keep giving massive multinational corporations power. We have such a dependence on oil that it is near impossible to break away into something new. They have so much money that they can squash literally anything they want to. If they see the population shift they have the money, connections and power to keep a hold for a few more years and this happens too often. Watch the documentary 'Who Killed the Electric Car?". It's a really good documentary about GM's EV1 electric car, that was set to be the revolutionising vehicle that would have spurred on everyone else to go electric. Instead it was crushed by the oil companies after they pressured General Motors into stopping their program and recalled all their leases on the cars. Resulting in every single one of them getting crushed, except for 40 which were donated to museums. The EV1 had so much potential, considering it was an electric car of the 90s. 0-60 in 8 seconds, top speed of 80mph (electronically limited which sucks), range of 160 miles in one charge. Those stats (except for top speed) are equal to, if not better than a lot of electric cars today. Imagine how much further developed GM and other companies would be if this had gone ahead as planned? A Prius would be a much better option if all of this was developed properly 15 years ago. So I guess you've figured out by now that I think electric is the way forward
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Post by Jontti500 on Sept 26, 2014 12:28:05 GMT
if they would implement engine sounds into an electric car i would be up for that.
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Post by OpalescentFalcon on Sept 26, 2014 12:44:46 GMT
Oil prices will increase as production will not follow the increase in demand. Electric cars will become much cheaper to run and the general public will adopt it. Many cars manufacturers are now pushing their alternative fuel vehicles in fear of becoming obsolete, the oil lobby won't be able to crush it now. Batteries are the main technological problem in electric cars. Lithium ion batteries are still very expensive, heavy and have poor range. Hydrogen cells are even more expensive.
This new battery technology has an impressive energy stored/kg rating if it is true. The car will most likely fail or is being used only to showcase the battery.
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gtking1st
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Post by gtking1st on Sept 28, 2014 19:29:03 GMT
well, for engine sounds, im sure people had started working to make them ever since that comedy in which the protagonist had a company in which they where trying to develop the exact same thing, im sure someone remembers what its called, and the NanoFlowCell is based of the redox which nasa/A.S.Program had in 1976. i just hope the less informed out there, get informed, i don't want no megaton greenhouse gas methane to jailbreak itself out of the ice caps ^-^, as for now, the Quant is still being worked on, as far as i read into it, and they had worked with a swedish automotive manufacturer which they had cut cooperation in 2009, but are with Bosch Engineering, so its chances are out there, specially since the "Surge"(aka Chevy Volt) is out there,
Edit: other than all this what else, do you all think could be viable way to go, cause i don't only mean fuels, it can also be engines(or anything for that matter), even if some paper is holding it back, or trying, anything is possible, ^-^ (ill list them if more show up)
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Post by RobinVerhulstZ on Apr 20, 2015 19:36:46 GMT
Im an all-out supporter of biofuels like biodiesel,methanol (moonshine,of pure alcohol) ethanol because we can create infinite amounts of them,they don´t ADD any carbondioxide,they don't pollute with deadly chemicals (unlike fossil fuels) and are much more easy to convert to then all-out electric engines (plus they aren't as expensive nor weigh as much,and don't contain extremely acidic and dangerous chemicals and are practically just as recyclable as fossil fuel engines) (plus,they have sounds just as good as fossil fuels,koenigsegg runs more HP's on biofuel,so:better at enviroment and also makes your car faster/more powerful,seems like a no-brainer to me.)
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Post by Lupacia💕 on Apr 21, 2015 9:25:39 GMT
Im an all-out supporter of biofuels like biodiesel,methanol (moonshine,of pure alcohol) ethanol because we can create infinite amounts of them,they don´t ADD any carbondioxide,they don't pollute with deadly chemicals (unlike fossil fuels) and are much more easy to convert to then all-out electric engines (plus they aren't as expensive nor weigh as much,and don't contain extremely acidic and dangerous chemicals and are practically just as recyclable as fossil fuel engines) (plus,they have sounds just as good as fossil fuels,koenigsegg runs more HP's on biofuel,so:better at enviroment and also makes your car faster/more powerful,seems like a no-brainer to me.) If this is all true, I'm with this guy.
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Post by cameronman1329 on Apr 21, 2015 14:34:57 GMT
Oil is a finite resource. The "pure" oil as we call it has becoming increasingly scarce. Oil reserves found in Chad have helped stabilise prices, but still not consistent. If you remember the Scottish Independence campaign, they promoted they could use their "oil" to grow their economy, but that oil is of such poor quality, it would only be economically safe to use it to make plastics. However, Canada and USA have a large amount of tar sands and shale oil, working with possible extraction of large oil reserves under the Arctic and off the East Coast of South America could mean that traditional petroleum last a lot longer than you think before it becomes too expensive. Yet with a rapidly growing population demand increases, and we don't know the extent of oil resources that are yet to be discovered, there may be no more than what we currently know exist. Oil will be unpredictable, I would like to move away from it to help the environment and the biosphere, but alas human nature does not think that way. Electricity is a bad alternative, most of our electricity is generated through coal burning or sometimes oil, the only way to make it more is increases either nuclear power, which still has a health stigma attached even though it is one of the most productive and has the most potential, or increase sustainable energy, i.e. Solar, Wind, Hydroelectric, Biofuel, Tidal, etc. Yet again, we won't pay more to make it more sustainable, so that leaves hydrogen. But this won't come into play until either we run out of fuel, or when fuel becomes so expensive that it's not economically sound to use. For me I can only see us running out of fuel with no back-up plan set to continue our energy consumption and our standard of living. Hopefully that day is far away, generations away, but no one will try to stop this happening as we are too greedy in human nature. All I can see is cars using oil and electricity, then oil runs out leaving us with electricity, then only coal to generate electricity, but not enough to power billions of cars in the world, and then hydrogen not developed enough, or if it has, then not enough electricity to convert and use it. So in short, R.I.P. Planet Earth
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Post by EgHedonist on Apr 22, 2015 7:30:27 GMT
Oil is a finite resource. The "pure" oil as we call it has becoming increasingly scarce. Oil reserves found in Chad have helped stabilise prices, but still not consistent. If you remember the Scottish Independence campaign, they promoted they could use their "oil" to grow their economy, but that oil is of such poor quality, it would only be economically safe to use it to make plastics. However, Canada and USA have a large amount of tar sands and shale oil, working with possible extraction of large oil reserves under the Arctic and off the East Coast of South America could mean that traditional petroleum last a lot longer than you think before it becomes too expensive. Yet with a rapidly growing population demand increases, and we don't know the extent of oil resources that are yet to be discovered, there may be no more than what we currently know exist. Oil will be unpredictable, I would like to move away from it to help the environment and the biosphere, but alas human nature does not think that way. Electricity is a bad alternative, most of our electricity is generated through coal burning or sometimes oil, the only way to make it more is increases either nuclear power, which still has a health stigma attached even though it is one of the most productive and has the most potential, or increase sustainable energy, i.e. Solar, Wind, Hydroelectric, Biofuel, Tidal, etc. Yet again, we won't pay more to make it more sustainable, so that leaves hydrogen. But this won't come into play until either we run out of fuel, or when fuel becomes so expensive that it's not economically sound to use. For me I can only see us running out of fuel with no back-up plan set to continue our energy consumption and our standard of living. Hopefully that day is far away, generations away, but no one will try to stop this happening as we are too greedy in human nature. All I can see is cars using oil and electricity, then oil runs out leaving us with electricity, then only coal to generate electricity, but not enough to power billions of cars in the world, and then hydrogen not developed enough, or if it has, then not enough electricity to convert and use it. So in short, R.I.P. Planet Earth
I did my Final Degree Project on this area and I've came to the same conclussions. Hydrogin is the cleanest and the ideal solution, but it'll take so long until it can have a decissive impact on society and environment that maybe then would be too late for preserving Planet Earth as we know it.
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Post by KoBo_043 on Apr 22, 2015 8:18:35 GMT
I think it's easy to generate enough electricity in a fairly environmentaly safe way to power the entire world. There's a shitload of space on the planet for windfarms/solarfarms. Kazachstani desert for example. Windfarms at sea. But as said before the oil industry is working against that so they won't go out of business. In the end it's all about money money money and nothing else.
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Post by tjezc☻ on Apr 22, 2015 11:13:37 GMT
I think it's easy to generate enough electricity in a fairly environmentaly safe way to power the entire world. There's a shitload of space on the planet for windfarms/solarfarms. Kazachstani desert for example. Windfarms at sea. But as said before the oil industry is working against that so they won't go out of business. In the end it's all about money money money and nothing else. You can see it from another angle as well: the oil companies are expected to want to sell their product. This is the same for any other company. The true change lies with the consumers, who keep buying the oil. If the demand is not there, the supply will vanish eventually. We just all need to buy a vehicle with a different fuel basis than oil if we want to 'change the world'. But if we all do it right now, the power plants can't handle the huge increase in electricity demand. So that price will rise drastically. Old plants will probably be re-opened, burning way natural gas and coal. It's not like a nuclear plant can be of any more good, since those are cooled by water from rivers and sea. This cooling water heats up insanely bad. And wasn't heating up the oceans a big climate change issue? I won't start about the nuclear waste. I know green energy from renewable sources is the way to go, but as long as fossil fuels are available, the change towards this will not start to roll. Only at the point where we have run out, we will think of better ways, effectively saving ourselves. Because why change to green power that has a low efficiency in generation, if you can still use the most mass-to-energy efficient fuels of all: oil!
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Post by KoBo_043 on Apr 22, 2015 11:21:04 GMT
I think it's easy to generate enough electricity in a fairly environmentaly safe way to power the entire world. There's a shitload of space on the planet for windfarms/solarfarms. Kazachstani desert for example. Windfarms at sea. But as said before the oil industry is working against that so they won't go out of business. In the end it's all about money money money and nothing else. You can see it from another angle as well: the oil companies are expected to want to sell their product. This is the same for any other company. The true change lies with the consumers, who keep buying the oil. If the demand is not there, the supply will vanish eventually. We just all need to buy a vehicle with a different fuel basis than oil if we want to 'change the world'. But if we all do it right now, the power plants can't handle the huge increase in electricity demand. So that price will rise drastically. Old plants will probably be re-opened, burning way natural gas and coal. It's not like a nuclear plant can be of any more good, since those are cooled by water from rivers and sea. This cooling water heats up insanely bad. And wasn't heating up the oceans a big climate change issue? I won't start about the nuclear waste. I know green energy from renewable sources is the way to go, but as long as fossil fuels are available, the change towards this will not start to roll. Only at the point where we have run out, we will think of better ways, effectively saving ourselves. Because why change to green power that has a low efficiency in generation, if you can still use the most mass-to-energy efficient fuels of all: oil! I totally agree with you. Atm it's mostly a suply and demand. But with hybrid and electric cars on the rise now, it's only a matter of time. Untill the oil resources have completely depleted, there will allways be a demand in fossil fuels, but more and more people seem to want to make the switch to more environmentally friendly energy.
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