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Post by Trowa on Apr 22, 2015 14:30:10 GMT
I believe hamsters are the future.
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Post by cameronman1329 on Apr 22, 2015 14:30:58 GMT
I did my Final Degree Project on this area and I've came to the same conclussions. Hydrogin is the cleanest and the ideal solution, but it'll take so long until it can have a decissive impact on society and environment that maybe then would be too late for preserving Planet Earth as we know it. Thing I've realised is that water vapour also contributes to the depleting ozone layer, so it looks like we are stuffed
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Post by tjezc☻ on Apr 22, 2015 14:39:13 GMT
I did my Final Degree Project on this area and I've came to the same conclussions. Hydrogin is the cleanest and the ideal solution, but it'll take so long until it can have a decissive impact on society and environment that maybe then would be too late for preserving Planet Earth as we know it. Thing I've realised is that water vapour also contributes to the depleting ozone layer, so it looks like we are stuffed I suppose with 'water vapour' you just mean vapourised water, and not the element H. I don't see how that would deplete anything, as it's quite the common thing for water to evaporate, turn into clouds, come down again, etc.
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Post by cameronman1329 on Apr 22, 2015 14:49:21 GMT
Thing I've realised is that water vapour also contributes to the depleting ozone layer, so it looks like we are stuffed I suppose with 'water vapour' you just mean vapourised water, and not the element H. I don't see how that would deplete anything, as it's quite the common thing for water to evaporate, turn into clouds, come down again, etc. Not an expert in this field, have only covered it briefly at A2 level but this explains it well: harvardmagazine.com/2012/07/ozone-destructionA short extract from the article: "And the chemical reactions that destroy ozone are highly dependent on both atmospheric temperature and the presence of water vapor.
Anderson’s team has discovered that during intense summer storms over the United States, water vapor is thrust by convection far higher into the lower stratosphere than previously thought possible, altering atmospheric conditions in a way that could potentially lead to substantial, widespread ozone loss throughout the ensuing week. The paper links the loss of ozone over populated mid-latitude regions in summer to the frequency and intensity of these big storms, which could increase with climate change resulting from rising levels of carbon dioxide and methane in the atmosphere.
“We were investigating the behavior of convective water vapor as part of our climate research,” Anderson says, “not ozone photochemistry. What proved surprising was the remarkable altitude to which water vapor was being lofted—altitudes exceeding 60,000 feet—and how frequently it was happening.” Anderson and his team realized the significance of the finding because higher water- vapor concentrations in the cold reaches of the lower stratosphere change the threshold temperature at which chlorine is converted to a free radical state: in the presence of water vapor, direct catalytic removal of ozone takes place at warmer temperatures."
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Post by KoBo_043 on Apr 22, 2015 16:01:44 GMT
I believe hamsters are the future. Gotta love that plate
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Post by FumbleRumbles on Apr 24, 2015 6:30:54 GMT
EVERYONE should drive a Diesel! 'cuz cummins!!
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Post by jbcarfreek on Apr 24, 2015 8:53:48 GMT
EVERYONE should drive a Diesel! 'cuz cummins!! yes becouse we are gonna stop global warming by blacking out the sun, 'Murica!!
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Post by averageloz on Apr 24, 2015 12:23:29 GMT
I did my Final Degree Project on this area and I've came to the same conclussions. Hydrogin is the cleanest and the ideal solution, but it'll take so long until it can have a decissive impact on society and environment that maybe then would be too late for preserving Planet Earth as we know it. Thing I've realised is that water vapour also contributes to the depleting ozone layer, so it looks like we are stuffed There are several reports that came out last year to suggest the Ozone Layer is actually in recovery due to human efforts to reduce it's depletion. At it's current recovery rate they think it'll be relatively healthy by 2075, obviously anything could happen in that time! Sauce
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Post by jbcarfreek on Apr 24, 2015 15:53:53 GMT
honestly i believe overpopulation is the main cause, changing on what cars drive will barly make a difference since we still would have to make the electricity using fossil fuels ("green" energy will never deliver enough, and alot op ppl don't really like nuclear reactors. idk why, they are clean). But then again mass murder isn't the best solution.
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Post by fBomb220 on Apr 24, 2015 21:56:55 GMT
I think some of you are underestimating green energy capabilities. Keep in mind, despite what this graphic suggests, every roof can have solar panels so energy loss over long power lines won't be as much of an issue as you might think. Also, battery storage efficiency will eventually store excess energy for night and bad weather times. Looks pretty good just powering the planet on solar alone. Wind energy should fill any unexpected gaps. Recently in my home town, they closed a 121 megawatt coal power plant and built 328 wind turbines which produce 542 megawatts.
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Post by nudeltime on Apr 26, 2015 19:06:02 GMT
honestly i believe overpopulation is the main cause, changing on what cars drive will barly make a difference since we still would have to make the electricity using fossil fuels ("green" energy will never deliver enough, and alot op ppl don't really like nuclear reactors. idk why, they are clean). But then again mass murder isn't the best solution. Problem is not Nuclear Power, but the waste it brings. Until fusion power plants are a thing, nuclear power is bad because, for example in germany there is not 1 final storage point. NOT 1. And politicians want to work out where to put it by 2050....
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Post by rcracer11m on Apr 26, 2015 22:56:34 GMT
I think some of you are underestimating green energy capabilities. Keep in mind, despite what this graphic suggests, every roof can have solar panels so energy loss over long power lines won't be as much of an issue as you might think. Also, battery storage efficiency will eventually store excess energy for night and bad weather times. Looks pretty good just powering the planet on solar alone. Wind energy should fill any unexpected gaps. Recently in my home town, they closed a 121 megawatt coal power plant and built 328 wind turbines which produce 542 megawatts. solar powered roadsI'm not sure if you guys have seen this yet but it could solve most of the worlds energy problems. Its solar powered roads
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Post by James Two7 on Apr 26, 2015 23:26:29 GMT
I'm not sure if you guys have seen this yet but it could solve most of the worlds energy problems. Its solar powered roadsLooks expensive to implement tbh and they wouldn't work here in the UK anyway
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Post by rcracer11m on Apr 26, 2015 23:32:14 GMT
I'm not sure if you guys have seen this yet but it could solve most of the worlds energy problems. Its solar powered roadsLooks expensive to implement tbh and they wouldn't work here in the UK anyway They may be expensive but they will end up paying for themselves with the amount of power that could be created from them. They do seem very interesting with some of the other features of them such as the led lights, heating to melt snow/ice, and the fact that it would lead to powerlines being moved underground, eliminating problems of power lines being knocked down in storms.
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Post by James Two7 on Apr 26, 2015 23:36:03 GMT
Looks expensive to implement tbh and they wouldn't work here in the UK anyway They may be expensive but they will end up paying for themselves with the amount of power that could be created from them. They do seem very interesting with some of the other features of them such as the led lights, heating to melt snow/ice, and the fact that it would lead to powerlines being moved underground, eliminating problems of power lines being knocked down in storms. Yeah, I imagine they would pay for themselves but the initial cost looks to be along the lines of something most governments would avoid since none of them have any concept of short term pain, long term gain.
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