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Post by st0cking on May 29, 2016 17:38:30 GMT
Hello guys  So i've been racing in the "lowest" (on "normal") settings for gta and I'm fine with the graphics on those settings. I capped my fps to 60 but i can't hold that fps with my computer. It's usually between 45-60 when racing but in some locations it drops as low as 35 i think. So i thought id share my current pc setup and try get some advice on hardware improvements to get closer to a stable 60, I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to hardware.. A nice side-effect would be if i could work better with bigger-sized files in graphic programs but that shouldnt be the focus. Idk how much it matters where i'm from in terms of pc-parts so i'll just mention i'm from germany. Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230v2RAM: 8GB-Kit (2x4GB) Corsair Vengeance PC3-12800U Motherboard: MSI ZH77A-G41Powerunit: be quiet! pure power l8 cmgraphicscard: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 OC Boost(i just googled the parts, might not be 100% accurate but you should get the idea) I'm not too good on money right now but I just want to know what would be the best investment for me, keeping that in mind. grateful for any advice tagging some people where i could imagine they might have knowledge about this stuff CHill DrKloden Madderose |
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Post by DrKloden on May 29, 2016 18:07:19 GMT
with a pc this low, you'll want the real lowest settings, which is lower than "normal". you can edit the settings xml to turn off reflections and shadows and stuff. the game will look like vice city but at least youll get better fps in groups.
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Post by bladecruiser on May 29, 2016 18:19:01 GMT
nodo.freeforums.net/post/79187/thread <--- do that stuff. Start at the top and work your way down the list until you get the performance you're looking for or until the game starts looking too bad.
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Post by CHill on May 29, 2016 19:22:11 GMT
In terms of optimization, first thing I do for a stable frame rate in GTA is disable the in-game vsync, and turn it back on. For whatever reason the frame rate will be all over the place if I don't. A lot of others suggest leaving the in-game vsync off, and using an external program to vsync for it (the AMD control panel should have that option, and plenty more).
Blade's post should cover what I said and a lot more though.
I feel like an investment to look into would be a new CPU. Feel like its the primary bottleneck here.
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Post by st0cking on May 29, 2016 20:27:30 GMT
Ooh, didn't know you could further lower your settings  I'll definitely try that before i buy anything. Definitely won't want to play in sh*t graphics just to get more stable fps though, i'll have to see how that looks lol thanks for the advice so far guys |
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Post by DrKloden on May 30, 2016 0:00:10 GMT
Definitely won't want to play in sh*t graphics, i'll have to see how that looks one option is to have multiple settings.xml files in labeled folders, so you can easily copy and paste which one depending on what youre going to do during that game launch session. maybe something like.. no shadow/reflection terrible graphics for large group event races.. normal low settings the rest of the time, medium for single player, max for when in the editor, or whatever |
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Post by st0cking on May 30, 2016 0:50:17 GMT
Definitely won't want to play in sh*t graphics, i'll have to see how that looks one option is to have multiple settings.xml files in labeled folders, so you can easily copy and paste which one depending on what youre going to do during that game launch session. maybe something like.. no shadow/reflection terrible graphics for large group event races.. normal low settings the rest of the time, medium for single player, max for when in the editor, or whatever Yeah, i had that before already but i only changed settings ingame for those, not directly in the file. |
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Post by Madderose on May 30, 2016 8:29:15 GMT
Hello, to be sure that the CPU is the weak link here (tough that's a 99% here), could you link a screenshot of the task manager showing cpu/ram process usage with GTA in windowed mode?
Fps loss spikes sometimes come from hard drive too busy and/or too slow for the game.
A bet safe would be cpu/ssd combo. I'll look at the minimum investment/return value for you, if you can wait one day. Depending on what I can found for the CPU, anticipate 60 to 80€ cheap ssd and a 100 € second hand CPU, overclocking capable depending on your motherboard, it will completely transformer your game experience. I made the overclocking for arken and I could do it for you under your supervision, or if you want to learn, with just my instructions. Have a good day.
Last point: did you check dust in the CPU and GPU block (fans&dissipator)? Sometimes the computer is throttling down the power of said devices to cool them down.
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Post by beta1hit on May 30, 2016 19:43:39 GMT
How much space is left on your HDD? An HDD is written from the outside to the inside. When its mostly empty, the read/write assembly (see pic here) doesnt have to move a lot. When the HDD is full, that assembly has to move a lot, slowing down everything that needs to access the HDD. An option is to buy a new HDD (~45€ for 1TB, ~90€ for 2TB) if you need more storage, and reinstall GTA on that. An SSD would be expensive for its capacity, seeing as if you want one, 240GB models (GTA takes over 60GB, so a 120GB SSD wont make sense) start at ~55€. That would also introduce the challenge to reinstall Windows and your most used programs onto that SSD to benefit from its faster performance even in daily usage. Though I'm guessing your HDD is your problem, as your GPU and CPU are more then enough (your CPU is basically the i7-3770k just a bit slower and not overclockable) to play on high to very high settings. Source, english translation. I also have that graphics card and can run GTA on very high settings with avg 60fps at 1920x1080. Granted, I have a much newer i7 paired with that and also installed GTA on an SSD. Edit: lol kloden not everyone is made out of money. stockings pc config was a potent gaming pc at the time (almost 4 years ago) and is still a very capable gaming pc. my pc for uni has an i5-2400, 12gb ram and an HD6950 (both older and slower then stocking's) and runs GTA fine at 1920x1080. lowest (ingame) settings, but still 60fps avg. |
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Post by DrKloden on May 30, 2016 20:06:34 GMT
not everyone is made out of money i only know this stuff cuz my gfx card atm is far from ideal for this game too |
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Post by beta1hit on May 31, 2016 12:24:21 GMT
not everyone is made out of money i only know this stuff cuz my gfx card atm is far from ideal for this game too fair enough, thats ok |
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Post by Madderose on Jun 5, 2016 11:28:38 GMT
Waiting for the screens |
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Post by oldholborn on Jun 5, 2016 12:13:55 GMT
Hey together,
I just wanted to point out that I have the same problem as Stocking. I do have similar hardware too. I have a Gtx 960 2GB and an Intel Xeon E3-1231v3 4x 3.40GHz So.1150. Untill last November I used an old AMD Phenom2 and the change made it definetely more stable but it still drops to 40Fps.
When I use hardwaremonitor it normaly shows CPU usage at 50-70% but GPU is close to 100% so I assumed it should be the GPU. Also I am running Gta on a SSD so at least in my case that shouldn't be the problem. Like Beta pointed out I dont know why the CPU should be the problem as I thought as well that it is basically an i7 without a graphic-chip.
I hope you fix your problems.
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Post by Madderose on Jun 13, 2016 7:11:52 GMT
Just to check, did you try ParkControl? I would like you to look at the HARD FAULT, it's when the memory is not sufficent, and your application is going to seek info on the drive (when it's an SSD it's okay-ish, when it's not, it's where you have stutter/freeze) CTRL+SHIFT+ESC, then tab "PERFORMANCE", then "open ressource monitor". Go into the MEMORY tab.  If you have even a few during playing, it's creating micro stutter, altering your game experience. Pretty badly in my case before I moved the game to the SSD, and bought more quality ram. |
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Post by jsantospt on Jul 2, 2016 12:21:40 GMT
Calling a Xeon 1230v2 + 7970 a weak PC might have been one of the funniest things I heard so far in NoDo  What settings are you trying to run st0cking ? I have a 660 Ti, arguably worse than a 7970 and I can run GTA at 2560*1080 at 60 FPS just fine with a lot of settings on Very high and High. So I have a card worse than yours and I am pulling 33.3% more pixels than at 1920*1080, something must be wrong on your settings or PC. Your Xeon 1230v2 is probably on par with my Skylake i5 6500 so I don't think the issue is there either, yeah it's a 3rd gen Intel CPU but still does the job quite well. The other guys were suggesting a SSD and I also think its a good idea, that a RAM upgrade if you can afford it, even though 8GB is good on most cases. My list of things to check first are: 1) Game Settings ofc, when you launch the game put GTAV.exe on High priority and kill GTALauncher.exe, as for settings I was running the following on my 660 Ti: Very High Textures and Post FX High Shader Quality, High Shadow Quality, High Reflection and Grass Quality. Soft Shadows onThe Softer. The rest on Normal, FXAA on and AA on X16 MSAA OFF 2) Try to overclock your 7970 The 7970 overclocks like a beast, talking about 25% performance increase easily, it has 925MHz stock clock and can do this easily:  3) Maybe after all this, start thinking about spending some money  A 240GB SSD for OS + GTA, maybe some extra 8GB of RAM even though 8GB might still be enough. Thing is a Xeon 1230v2 and a 7970 might be old, but still have lots of power to give. Maybe in the next year or so start thinking about upgrading the 7970 to something better and more efficient, but the 7970 is still a great mid range card. |
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I'll definitely try that before i buy anything. Definitely won't want to play in sh*t graphics just to get more stable fps though, i'll have to see how that looks lol 
