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Post by equationunequal on Aug 16, 2017 15:33:37 GMT
No, you are absolutely right, both sides are just as bad as each other. Realy. I mean, god, all those poor Nazis that have been mown down by lefties in cars.... Statistically speaking the left is far more violent. Plenty of examples of Antifa groups causing massive harm and destruction. It's even worse here in Europe, where they burn down cities and cause millions worth of damage every time they "protest". Want an example? Just look at the aftermath of the last G20 summit. So yes, both sides are just as bad. The KKK, Neo-nazi's, Antifa, BLM, etc all belong in the same loony bin. Two sides of the same coin existing on the fringes of society and political discourse while the vast majority of the people live in the middle and just want to get along and move forward.
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Post by jt33396 on Aug 16, 2017 17:05:42 GMT
No, you are absolutely right, both sides are just as bad as each other. Realy. I mean, god, all those poor Nazis that have been mown down by lefties in cars.... Statistically speaking the left is far more violent. Plenty of examples of Antifa groups causing massive harm and destruction. It's even worse here in Europe, where they burn down cities and cause millions worth of damage every time they "protest". Want an example? Just look at the aftermath of the last G20 summit. So yes, both sides are just as bad. The KKK, Neo-nazi's, Antifa, BLM, etc all belong in the same loony bin. Two sides of the same coin existing on the fringes of society and political discourse while the vast majority of the people live in the middle and just want to get along and move forward. I dont deny both sides are bad, but I've never seen an example of the "alt or extreme left" in the US. I didnt even know the alt-left existed. That horseshoe thing actually makes sense, I dont see politics as a left-right thing anymore. While clearly the neo-nazis are not a good thing and should be eradicated, their use of their entitled "freedom of speech" and the fact they had a permitted legal protest does make me think the left was slightly more at fault for what happened, but it seemed like it was more bleeding heart liberals then alt-leftists. Though obviously the alt-right really shouldnt be allowed to exists. But I definitely am more fearful for being born a POC now, I'm glad I live in the North
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Post by drknut on Aug 16, 2017 17:11:28 GMT
Statistically speaking the left is far more violent. Could you provide these statistics? Because in Germany these are the numbers for 2016: Right extremists: 23.555 committed crimes, 1698 acts of violence causing 1 death and 1283 injured victims, 10.751 so called "hate crimes" and 8983 xenophopic crimes, 995 attacks against refugee centres and 1468 antisemitic crimes Left extremists: 9605 committed crimes, 1702 acts of violence Violence crimes seem to be on par, other extreme right crimes (xenophobic attacks etc.) are way outnumbering political left crime. However, the number of registered dangerous persons (termed "Gefährder") that are thought to be capable of commuting severe political crimes or terroristic attacks is slightly higher for left vs right (130 vs 126)
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Post by Theign on Aug 16, 2017 17:13:42 GMT
Yes, because property damage is equivalent to attempting to murder whole groups of people.
It is probably only a matter of time until someone goes loopy and tries to kill rightys in the name of the left, but the very nature of the two sides mean that the left are unlikely to do so, the whole point of the fight of the left is about caring about other people, whereas the whole point of the Right is caring about yourself over others. The left fight because other people matter, the right fight because they think they matter more, so one values life, the other doesn't.
Yes I know that is a very limited description and people on both sides fall into much larger more varied opinions and such, but it is a generalization that fits.
I am sure you will meet Rightwing people who would be aghast at that description and proclaim vehemently that they care about others and value life, but weather consciously or not, they are campaigning to improve the lives of people like them over others. (Which, strangely enough, improves their own lot in life.)
But again, the whole point is not if both sides are equally to blame, but that in the specific situation that Trump was talking about, they were very VERY clearly not even close, combined with the utter disparity between his responce to this attack and other attacks that are identical with the exception of the attackers religion.
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Post by Ep1c Octane on Aug 18, 2017 23:45:29 GMT
Protests NEED to stop, they are what is antagonizing each group, if we stop protests we stop the hatred, we stop the killing, we stop the beatings, and everyone just needs to R-E-L-A-X relax, we're all gonna make it out of this alive, everyone is overreacting, North Korea ain't gonna blow us up because we can make them the next Atlantis in 5 minutes, everyone just take a deep breath, quit with the protests, quit with the hate, Let's all be friends for once #letsbefriends
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Post by thedelgadic1 on Aug 19, 2017 2:28:45 GMT
For fucks sake, both sides were very violent. The white supremacists ran over protesters with his car, which is despicable and this fucker is a domestic terrorist. He used violence to promote a political mean, so that's textbook terrorism. However, the antifa side were throwing bottles full of concrete at people, spraying people with bear mace, and swinging makeshift clubs at people. But they get a pass because they were fighting fascism....... with more fascism. Both sides had their bad apples, but to just say it was a nazi thing or and antifa thing is intellectually dishonest. Trump had an clear shot of not spreading the flames, by denouncing the white supremacists by name, and antifa by name. Instead he proved his incompetence by not doing that. There is no silver lining to it, the guy who rammed his car into a crowd is a domestic terrorist. Fuck him and fuck the antifa type who were attacking the demonstrators. You cannot solve a hateful set of beliefs with more violence.
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Post by Ep1c Octane on Aug 19, 2017 3:34:56 GMT
For fucks sake, both sides were very violent. The white supremacists ran over protesters with his car, which is despicable and this fucker is a domestic terrorist. He used violence to promote a political mean, so that's textbook terrorism. However, the antifa side were throwing bottles full of concrete at people, spraying people with bear mace, and swinging makeshift clubs at people. But they get a pass because they were fighting fascism....... with more fascism. Both sides had their bad apples, but to just say it was a nazi thing or and antifa thing is intellectually dishonest. Trump had an clear shot of not spreading the flames, by denouncing the white supremacists by name, and antifa by name. Instead he proved his incompetence by not doing that. There is no silver lining to it, the guy who rammed his car into a crowd is a domestic terrorist. Fuck him and fuck the antifa type who were attacking the demonstrators. You cannot solve a hateful set of beliefs with more violence. #letsbefriends Start the movement
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Post by Banter on Aug 19, 2017 13:55:48 GMT
Holy shit how have I only just found this thread
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Post by noodle on Apr 22, 2018 0:47:39 GMT
Donald Trump... well well now that even makes the UK seem like a nice place
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Post by crispybaconftw on Apr 25, 2018 17:52:13 GMT
I don't know if it's a good idea to get involved in this thread... Very controversial! :/
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Post by crispybaconftw on Apr 25, 2018 18:05:37 GMT
Honestly, from an outsider's perspective, I think this is the most positive outcome. At least for the sake of golbal stability and US / Russia relations. Trump has shown a willingness to work with Russia, whereas Clinton could have potentially started a war with Russia (regard intervention in Syria). If anything this election has show how incredibly out of touch the mainstream media is with reality. It's been Clinton central since day one and even yesterday they were quite sure that she was going to win. I hope this is an eye opener for those who only follow the MSM. I don't know if you would have the same stance on the Donald-Russia relations at this point in time... The Donald on Twitter: "Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!" That's a very "stable" way to talk to a very "stable" person like Putin!
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Post by equationunequal on Apr 28, 2018 8:31:27 GMT
Honestly, from an outsider's perspective, I think this is the most positive outcome. At least for the sake of golbal stability and US / Russia relations. Trump has shown a willingness to work with Russia, whereas Clinton could have potentially started a war with Russia (regard intervention in Syria). If anything this election has show how incredibly out of touch the mainstream media is with reality. It's been Clinton central since day one and even yesterday they were quite sure that she was going to win. I hope this is an eye opener for those who only follow the MSM. I don't know if you would have the same stance on the Donald-Russia relations at this point in time... The Donald on Twitter: "Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!" That's a very "stable" way to talk to a very "stable" person like Putin! I don't. I've been disappointed in Trump as he's done the thing most politicians do after they win an elections, which is go back on the promises they made and do a complete 180 on things they said during the election. I would have expected Trump to improve US - Russia relations by now, not worsen them. Not saying Hilary would have been a better choice though. Just hope that after Donald sits out his 4 years America can get a decent president for a change. Wishful thoughts...
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Post by Prrevil on Apr 30, 2018 6:31:28 GMT
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Post by supremegamer41 on Jun 16, 2018 12:41:18 GMT
I don't even know if he's good or not really, confusing as hell. The summit thingy ended well, so I guess he's on the positive side right now.
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Post by mrheat on Jun 25, 2018 10:03:18 GMT
it could be worse😂
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