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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on Dec 18, 2016 0:15:09 GMT
I expect most of you here have a lot of free time? I bought this game to have fun, I work to feed myself, keep a roof over my head and enjoy life. I don't want to work in my free time to enjoy this game slightly more than others. I'm happy to "earn" or unlock parts of a game for satisfaction reasons, but some prices in this game are completely unnecessary. It's known that they are priced in this manner to milk money from us as consumers. This Dec is far from the worst, but as someone said above, free speech is the right to complain, but the right to ignore. If no one complains, no progress will be made. Rockstar have been greedy with this game, and I will not be paying full price for future games from them in the future, that's for sure. Also want to add some people don't play GTA V only, so even people who do have freetime struggle a lot. But I agree with you. Grinding to finally get something is a fun addicting thing, but there is so many fun stuff locked away from TOO MUCH grinding. I really want to do some great fun stuff with these new vehicles with my friend but i can't get them... Even if I finally do, its just 1 car I own. I can't go do fun freeroam experiments with friends because he can't afford anything.
Also can we just remind ourselves at the times where rockstar released a slightly faster car after the fastest car just got realized just for that extra money? That's just being a dick.
I like the fact that we need to work to get stuff but its just too much and having to actually 'work' to then have fun for some time is just annoying... Grinding heists is the best way to get money but I swear If I play a heist one more time I will die of boredom. Ceo and biker missions are also getting repetitive. I'm glad the new DLC adds some fun car stealing missions I haven't become bored of yet but I'm afraid it will still happen.
Also I have school and other hobbies. I'm also interesting in a lot of different games. I can't spend so much of my time playing GTA...
P.S Wrote this at 1 AM can't see shit.
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Post by iddqd on Dec 19, 2016 8:30:21 GMT
I disagree! If you dont complain and just take everything as granted, companies will fuck you over even more! As a customer u have to raise your voice EVERYTIME to EVERYTHING not being ok. This DLC is alot: -fun way of earning money, best free roam implementation yet. -a big fat "fuck you all" from rockstar buy giving us a car stealing business that allows us the steal and "own" a high end car, remove trackers as if its your daily routine. But you still have to go to a legal salesman and buy an overprized car from him? while every other rich guy in LS gets one for max 100k from you? -yet another overprized DLC. 50β¬ for a ruiner2000 ? Or gameplay-grindtime that exceeds an average singleplayer campagin of any non sandbox game GTA is uncomparable, there are no alternatives. I can't just play another game, there is no other game like that and there never will be. So whatever rockstar is deciding to do, we are all going to swollow it! And rockstar decided to make this the most expensive game i ever came across! So yes! Please complain! Complain everytime and never stop! The price of the Ruiner is their way of balancing the public freeroam sessions. You don't play the game for the sake of driving a knight rider, but you can - if you're willing to pay. In terms of the "big fat fuck you". I disagree, you can't compare your buy price with what an NPC in theory would have to spend. The game evolves around the player not the NPC, and so the game is balanced in that way. Imagine if you could export cars and earn their market value, you'd be able to buy everything in the game within a week. Is that what you call good game design?! I am not really asking for a plausible answer or a non greedy reason for why rockstar is acting like assholes when it comes to price decicions. The answer to this totally varies from personality to personality. Some ppl like getting fucked over by authorities, most ppl dont even notice it. Thats life! Its Ok, i understand. anyway, about your answer: No, of course that would be an awful game design. why would i want that? i never said i want everything for a dollar in an hour of gametime. Are these all ideas you have for GTA? Its monday morning and i am between 2 coffees, i complained about rockstar being greedy and all i get back is," oh no sir! i dare you, rockstar are angels! they did everything right, you are just expecting unrealistic things." and i am like wtf? do you own take2 shares? Which side are you on? I dont want to attack anyone.. i am sure we are all on the same page! And suddenly i remember, i remember the time when i was as calm and relaxed about rockstar being greedy and overprizing everything: It was when i had multi million dollars and no prices bothered me. Thats when i was totally cool with everything because i could just buy the stuff and enjoy it. So my future answer to all this will be. "I guess THOU have some glitched millions left, well i don't"
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Post by weirdtwitter on Dec 19, 2016 10:23:26 GMT
The price of the Ruiner is their way of balancing the public freeroam sessions. You don't play the game for the sake of driving a knight rider, but you can - if you're willing to pay. In terms of the "big fat fuck you". I disagree, you can't compare your buy price with what an NPC in theory would have to spend. The game evolves around the player not the NPC, and so the game is balanced in that way. Imagine if you could export cars and earn their market value, you'd be able to buy everything in the game within a week. Is that what you call good game design?! I am not really asking for a plausible answer or a non greedy reason for why rockstar is acting like assholes when it comes to price decicions. The answer to this totally varies from personality to personality. Some ppl like getting fucked over by authorities, most ppl dont even notice it. Thats life! Its Ok, i understand. anyway, about your answer: No, of course that would be an awful game design. why would i want that? i never said i want everything for a dollar in an hour of gametime. Are these all ideas you have for GTA? Its monday morning and i am between 2 coffees, i complained about rockstar being greedy and all i get back is," oh no sir! i dare you, rockstar are angels! they did everything right, you are just expecting unrealistic things." and i am like wtf? do you own take2 shares? Which side are you on? I dont want to attack anyone.. i am sure we are all on the same page! And suddenly i remember, i remember the time when i was as calm and relaxed about rockstar being greedy and overprizing everything: It was when i had multi million dollars and no prices bothered me. Thats when i was totally cool with everything because i could just buy the stuff and enjoy it. So my future answer to all this will be. "I guess THOU have some glitched millions left, well i don't" All of what you wrote previously, and what you've written since, is what my original point of the thread was to show... "rockstar are greedy" Well...you're part of that. You paid for the game I assume? Well, you're helping rockstar, you filled rockstars pockets. You're suggesting people who enjoy this game, must have glitched money, did you not read what I wrote? I played the game since day 1 of online, I enjoy it cos I built up a SHIT ton of money in non contact race lobbies with 30 noobs and 10 laps, winning $38-42K a race for YEARS before I started to get into "proper" racing... So, how are you gonna CHOOSE buy a game, pay $$$ for a game, then subsequently bitch about shit in the game you think is unfair? I think the best thing to do would be take the game back to the shop you got it, get a full refund, and move on. All that stressing will kill you.
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Post by Tsupernami on Dec 19, 2016 11:52:27 GMT
People are entitled to their opinion. Just because you disagree doesn't mean that the other person is wrong.
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Post by iddqd on Dec 19, 2016 12:32:19 GMT
All of what you wrote previously, and what you've written since, is what my original point of the thread was to show... "rockstar are greedy" Well...you're part of that. You paid for the game I assume? Well, you're helping rockstar, you filled rockstars pockets. You're suggesting people who enjoy this game, must have glitched money, did you not read what I wrote? I played the game since day 1 of online, I enjoy it cos I built up a SHIT ton of money in non contact race lobbies with 30 noobs and 10 laps, winning $38-42K a race for YEARS before I started to get into "proper" racing... So, how are you gonna CHOOSE buy a game, pay $$$ for a game, then subsequently bitch about shit in the game you think is unfair? I think the best thing to do would be take the game back to the shop you got it, get a full refund, and move on. All that stressing will kill you. Well, i am not the kind of guy that enjoys winning against noobs. and surely not for years. Maybe you get something out of this, i don't! Also i dont just play every game. Infact, i do play a very very small selection of what i think are TOP GAMES. So no, i will not just ignore GTA and move on because i want GTA to be my game. You are right: I am wrong when i say everyone with loads of money glitched it. Still, the main point stands: Players with money dont seem to judge the system as much. No matter how they obtained it. And thats the thing! Its a bad habit! Just like in real life: ppl look down to poor people and believe to be better becasue they obay rules or some shit. "look at you, scum, harhar, should have worked harder, ey?" You do the same in this game right now: "Look at the little whiners, should have played the game properly, harhar! Scum!" I have been where you have been! I had your point of view but i evolved further, reflected on what i thought and said and finally come to a conclusion: Just because the system is not fucking with me for whatever reason, i will not start taking wrong sides! What you are doing is judging from a higher seat, looking down. Get on a spending spree, get broke and feel the true issues this game has. You simply forgot how it is to be poor in GTA! Its not nice!Dont worry about stress, because on a long run i dont give a fuck about anything. But i do look around and see whats right and wrong. And throw in an opinion that helps to keep the balance of rightousness. And your post just made me do that. Sry. It triggered.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 13:05:39 GMT
The price of the Ruiner is their way of balancing the public freeroam sessions. You don't play the game for the sake of driving a knight rider, but you can - if you're willing to pay. In terms of the "big fat fuck you". I disagree, you can't compare your buy price with what an NPC in theory would have to spend. The game evolves around the player not the NPC, and so the game is balanced in that way. Imagine if you could export cars and earn their market value, you'd be able to buy everything in the game within a week. Is that what you call good game design?! I am not really asking for a plausible answer or a non greedy reason for why rockstar is acting like assholes when it comes to price decicions. The answer to this totally varies from personality to personality. Some ppl like getting fucked over by authorities, most ppl dont even notice it. Thats life! Its Ok, i understand. anyway, about your answer: No, of course that would be an awful game design. why would i want that? i never said i want everything for a dollar in an hour of gametime. Are these all ideas you have for GTA? Its monday morning and i am between 2 coffees, i complained about rockstar being greedy and all i get back is," oh no sir! i dare you, rockstar are angels! they did everything right, you are just expecting unrealistic things." and i am like wtf? do you own take2 shares? Which side are you on? I dont want to attack anyone.. i am sure we are all on the same page! And suddenly i remember, i remember the time when i was as calm and relaxed about rockstar being greedy and overprizing everything: It was when i had multi million dollars and no prices bothered me. Thats when i was totally cool with everything because i could just buy the stuff and enjoy it. So my future answer to all this will be. "I guess THOU have some glitched millions left, well i don't" Nothing wrong with assumptions, but when you make an assumption based on another, that is where it is not alright. Assuming that all people not complaining about r* have illegal money and therefor I must have illegal money is a ridiculous assumption. And not very nice towards me either. Where do you get this from: I've never said anything like this, this may be how you read and interprets my reply but please don't put your interpretations over me as if it is something I've said. Why share your opinions if you don't want people to reply. People will either agree or disagree (or anything in between) and just like you they're going to voice their opinions as well. So when you say a, expect people that disagree to tell you b.
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Post by Daleks (@darkalex45) on Dec 19, 2016 15:50:19 GMT
That moment when you can't pick either side, but agree most of tsupernami because same complaints as me.
I have so many complains for both sides but it was just sad when me and my friend wanted to play but couldn't do much because all we do is farming. My friend is worried about every bit of money because he wants to buy stuff. So he does not appreciate me randomly killing him for fun when has has money on him. Its pissing me off that fun is ruined because something like this. On the other side, its a great fun way to work up to something. But for all the things that you want you need a really huge amount of freetime and motivation. It also balances out public lobbies. Imagine all the things those 12 year old kids begging for money on every session would do. All the fucking hydras. It also adds a nice amount of rarity so you can show off.
I'm just so split on this.
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Post by Tsupernami on Dec 19, 2016 15:56:08 GMT
I know where you're coming from. I think I'd be OK with it if products and their prices were accurate to their in game value. For example, a hydra should be millions more than a T20, but a luxor deluxe shouldn't be just a gold plane. It really should come with so many features, like anti missile defenses, the ability to walk around inside. But it comes to something that over the entire time I've played this game I mostly enjoy only the racing, and it's not even a racing game. Couple that with the fact it's because of nodo that I enjoy racing, then I think that speaks volumes.
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Post by weirdtwitter on Dec 19, 2016 17:32:35 GMT
That moment when you can't pick either side, but agree most of tsupernami because same complaints as me. I have so many complains for both sides but it was just sad when me and my friend wanted to play but couldn't do much because all we do is farming. My friend is worried about every bit of money because he wants to buy stuff. So he does not appreciate me randomly killing him for fun when has has money on him. Its pissing me off that fun is ruined because something like this. On the other side, its a great fun way to work up to something. But for all the things that you want you need a really huge amount of freetime and motivation. It also balances out public lobbies. Imagine all the things those 12 year old kids begging for money on every session would do. All the fucking hydras. It also adds a nice amount of rarity so you can show off. I'm just so split on this. You're not alone in being split on it, that's why it's such a good issue to get into on here. I have actually slightly stepped back from my original view that "all moaning is fucking stupid" because of some legit concerns I read in this thread from smart articulate people who I respect, which made me think of things in a way I didn't think to before. The beauty of sharing opinions and open dialogue. Leaves us all in a better place in the long run.
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Post by positivetension on Dec 19, 2016 18:19:18 GMT
I've owned the game for ages but only started playing it again just before Cunning Stunts came out. Most of the prices during that time seem okay to me but there are some exceptions:
1) re7b - looking back its ridiculous that they introduced a car in the most popular class for public races* that was significantly faster due to a bug which was left for a couple of months. Anyone wanting to race stunt tracks pretty much had to buy the car or turn customs off. Its also a bit weird that they then nerfed the car heavily afterwards
* I believe
2) Start up costs for businesses - To start the car missions you need to buy a CEO office and then a warehouse for at least 2.7 million. I guess its their way of encouraging people to pay for the DLC indirectly but it does mean that some people like me are playing a reduced version of the game.
3) Releasing a slightly faster car a week after another fast vehicle - I missed the Osiris and T20 one but they did it again with Hakuchou Drag and Shotaro. Drip feeding the cars is fine but new fastest vehicles in their classes should be released together.
For this update the prices of the Ruiner don't really bother me as it would be nice to own but its not a requirement for anything and can use it briefly in one of the missions. The new cars appear to be reasonably priced as well although with limited car spawns its harder to try out new cars now.
Its unfortunate that the way GTA is funded impacts players with limited gaming time the most. Someone who can play the game for hours a day will easily earn enough money to not miss out on features whilst those that can't are forced to limit their purchases or spend real life money.
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Post by endersai on Dec 19, 2016 20:42:45 GMT
I do agree with both of you. What really bothers me about all the people complaining is the fact that they want to have everything ASAP. There's no more "Oh that looks nice and if I want to have it, I must work for it" mentality. Take WoW for an example (I didn't play a lot, but I have a basic idea of the game), some things took dozens of hours to get (f.ex. the flying helicopter) and people still went for it and there was no big complaining. Personally I like what R* did with the prices and they kinda punish people for being impatient (you pay more if you don't do the respective mission). Sidenote: giving the Hydra and the Lazer limited amount of ammo would probably change a lot of things...
There's a FOMO mentality among an entitled segment of players, usually millennials, who have been given everything to appease their every whim at all times.
R* understand this and brilliantly play to it, and if the spoiled kiddies don't have mother and father's credit card they'll just mod and complain about bans and how R* "forces" them to get illegal money.
It's fucking adorable, I love entitled millennials. Endlessly amusing.
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Post by endersai on Dec 19, 2016 21:28:57 GMT
All of what you wrote previously, and what you've written since, is what my original point of the thread was to show... "rockstar are greedy" Well...you're part of that. You paid for the game I assume? Well, you're helping rockstar, you filled rockstars pockets. You're suggesting people who enjoy this game, must have glitched money, did you not read what I wrote? I played the game since day 1 of online, I enjoy it cos I built up a SHIT ton of money in non contact race lobbies with 30 noobs and 10 laps, winning $38-42K a race for YEARS before I started to get into "proper" racing... So, how are you gonna CHOOSE buy a game, pay $$$ for a game, then subsequently bitch about shit in the game you think is unfair? I think the best thing to do would be take the game back to the shop you got it, get a full refund, and move on. All that stressing will kill you. Well, i am not the kind of guy that enjoys winning against noobs. and surely not for years. Maybe you get something out of this, i don't! Also i dont just play every game. Infact, i do play a very very small selection of what i think are TOP GAMES. So no, i will not just ignore GTA and move on because i want GTA to be my game. You are right: I am wrong when i say everyone with loads of money glitched it. Still, the main point stands: Players with money dont seem to judge the system as much. No matter how they obtained it.
And thats the thing! Its a bad habit! Just like in real life: ppl look down to poor people and believe to be better becasue they obay rules or some shit. "look at you, scum, harhar, should have worked harder, ey?" You do the same in this game right now: "Look at the little whiners, should have played the game properly, harhar! Scum!"I have been where you have been! I had your point of view but i evolved further, reflected on what i thought and said and finally come to a conclusion: Just because the system is not fucking with me for whatever reason, i will not start taking wrong sides! What you are doing is judging from a higher seat, looking down. Get on a spending spree, get broke and feel the true issues this game has. You simply forgot how it is to be poor in GTA! Its not nice!Dont worry about stress, because on a long run i dont give a fuck about anything. But i do look around and see whats right and wrong. And throw in an opinion that helps to keep the balance of rightousness. And your post just made me do that. Sry. It triggered. You're typifying an entitlement mentality here.
The whole point is that people assume having 6 properties with full garages of fully modded cars is the standard. They precisely don't want to wait and earn. They want it now. They're entitled to it now.
To be a CEO should require huge capital upfronts. And until you can afford it, you should save and prioritise and not buy the latest shiny toy when it comes out. People though are addicted to instant gratification and driven weak by FOMO.
It's pitiful frankly and however loquacious their defence of their entitlement, it's still people complaining they can't have everything they want, when they want it.
There's no just or valid defence here sorry.
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Post by weirdtwitter on Dec 20, 2016 9:35:15 GMT
endersai your eloquence and summation was brilliant here. Thanks. Preciate ya., xox
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Post by iddqd on Dec 24, 2016 8:56:06 GMT
This is going in circles.
And my english won't help me here.
Why is GTA a game where i have to play hours and hours of repetetive gameplay while the income rate stays constantly the same? When gta:o came out i kind of expected an acceleration of income. but even after so many hours of gameplay, when i am broke, i am broke. no matter how big of an empire i built up, i have the same income as before.
this is not "playing for something". This is greed from a company. did we forget what GTA could be without the greedy part? They could have kept the microtransactions to clothing and design a solid economy where "building up an empire" actually could mean something. but no.
this game is designed to sell as much cashcards as possible, we all know it and we should never accept it, because gta6 should get better in that regard.
but if you only wanted to shake your head at the kids that want it all at once but can't get it, without questioning r* ways of economy design, why even start a thread?
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Post by Sarah on Dec 24, 2016 10:44:03 GMT
As in pretty much all online games with currency people who've spent more time than others on the game also can afford more stuff. Don't think theres anything wrong with that system to be fair.
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