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Post by thedelgadic1 on Nov 27, 2017 5:00:32 GMT
You always have Max’ dick so far inside you, mind if i do that with Kimi? Those retirements he has, in Spain, crashed by Bottas, in Baku, crashed by Bottas, in Singapore, crashed by Vettel. Didn’t even start the race in Malaysia, what could’ve been an easy win for him considering how slow Mercedes was there. He has been unlucky all season, - just like Ricciardo and Verstappen have. Monaco, where winning was more than possible, Ferrari switched the positions to get Vettel more points. Don’t even try to deny it, you know it’s true. Hungary, basically defended Vettel from Hamilton the whole race. If he were allowed to overtake, he would’ve been gone and won the race with Hamilton second. Singapore. The greatest start of his season and what do you know, the dutch boy and Vettel come right at him and everyone retires. Baku. Trying to overtake Bottas for second place, gets crashed into. Later on has a chance when Force Indias collide, gets a puncture from the debree. Silverstone. Puncture on the 2nd to last lap. And as said, Malaysia. He is one of the most unlucky drivers this sport has seen. Missed out on 2 Titles in 2003 and 2005 because of McLaren’s unrelaibility. Sure, his 2014 season was horrible, with 2015 only slighly better. 2016 showed some of his skills coming back, and tuis season even more. He might be old, doesn’t mean he is any worse. As you saw today, Ricciardo’s retirement was caused by something being wonky at the back. That’s because he brushed the wall on sector 3, and it was shown on TV. That’s what we call a driver error. And if Max is so good at driving, why didn’t he overtake Kimi? Was so close the whole race but no, couldn’t overtake. Why did he have to cut the corner in Austin to get the overtake done? Anyway, i hope Kimi gets his deserved win next season. While he's not slow, he's not in his heyday anymore, and is holding back Ferrari from winning the title as a team. Lets compare kimi to Daniel shall we. With 3 dnfs, kimi was only able to pull out 6 podiums with a best of second. With 6 dnfs, Daniel got 9 podiums with a win. With a reliable car, Daniel is miles faster than kimi and could lead Ferrari to a constructors title much easier than kimi could. kimi needs to retire, he has a top level seat, yet can't use it effectively as others could.
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Post by endersai on Nov 27, 2017 5:21:27 GMT
^ That
And I mean, I'm literally advocating for Ricciardo. So how is Max's willy inside me?!
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Post by Sunken on Nov 27, 2017 5:47:21 GMT
You always have Max’ dick so far inside you, mind if i do that with Kimi? Those retirements he has, in Spain, crashed by Bottas, in Baku, crashed by Bottas, in Singapore, crashed by Vettel. Didn’t even start the race in Malaysia, what could’ve been an easy win for him considering how slow Mercedes was there. He has been unlucky all season, - just like Ricciardo and Verstappen have. Monaco, where winning was more than possible, Ferrari switched the positions to get Vettel more points. Don’t even try to deny it, you know it’s true. Hungary, basically defended Vettel from Hamilton the whole race. If he were allowed to overtake, he would’ve been gone and won the race with Hamilton second. Singapore. The greatest start of his season and what do you know, the dutch boy and Vettel come right at him and everyone retires. Baku. Trying to overtake Bottas for second place, gets crashed into. Later on has a chance when Force Indias collide, gets a puncture from the debree. Silverstone. Puncture on the 2nd to last lap. And as said, Malaysia. He is one of the most unlucky drivers this sport has seen. Missed out on 2 Titles in 2003 and 2005 because of McLaren’s unrelaibility. Sure, his 2014 season was horrible, with 2015 only slighly better. 2016 showed some of his skills coming back, and tuis season even more. He might be old, doesn’t mean he is any worse. As you saw today, Ricciardo’s retirement was caused by something being wonky at the back. That’s because he brushed the wall on sector 3, and it was shown on TV. That’s what we call a driver error. And if Max is so good at driving, why didn’t he overtake Kimi? Was so close the whole race but no, couldn’t overtake. Why did he have to cut the corner in Austin to get the overtake done? Anyway, i hope Kimi gets his deserved win next season. While he's not slow, he's not in his heyday anymore, and is holding back Ferrari from winning the title as a team. Lets compare kimi to Daniel shall we. With 3 dnfs, kimi was only able to pull out 6 podiums with a best of second. With 6 dnfs, Daniel got 9 podiums with a win. With a reliable car, Daniel is miles faster than kimi and could lead Ferrari to a constructors title much easier than kimi could. kimi needs to retire, he has a top level seat, yet can't use it effectively as others could. Im not saying Daniel is slower than Kimi, nor am i saying Ferrari would do worse with him. Lets say Kimi got the same amount of points as Bottas this season, would’ve Ferrari won the title? Nope, because Vettel was way behind Hamilton. Im just indicating the mistakes he didn’t make, but were forced to happen to him. He’s always been a bad qualifier, where as Red Bulls seem to be fast there. Those starting positions matter, especially between Ferrari and Red Bull since there’s not that much difference in pace. And if Ferrari want to go for the title as a constructor or a single driver, Vettel can’t just throw away the season after Spa. Kimi will most likely retire after this year, so you guys can for once be happy. +i doubt Red Bull will let Ricciardo go to Ferrari.
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Post by jjcannx2 on Nov 27, 2017 7:20:28 GMT
Need to remember in all of this that Raikonnen is at Ferrari. Vettel is more than happy to keep around for at least next year and maybe even the year after. Two possible reasons:
1. Kimi is content to be the second driver, so not get new parts first, plus more subtle things like the car being developed for Vettel, and getting less experienced/worse engineers and so on. 2. Vettel knows Kimi is simply slower as is being argued above.
Of course 1 could imply that Kimi knows 2 is true, but it doesn’t seem like Kimi would stick around if he knew he couldn’t compete. He left before essentially because he was bored and wanted to try something different, so I think it’s not so simple as saying Kimi is slow because he isn’t as good as he used to be.
Having said that, assuming Ferrari would give both drivers an equal chance, having Ricciardo at Ferrari would be awesome, big if though.
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Post by endersai on Nov 27, 2017 7:29:28 GMT
OK but... Kimi scored 205 points. He's the only top 6 driver with 0 wins. He hasn't won since Melbourne 2013 - i.e. Lotus - and if we're being honest he probably won't win again. He had 3 DNFs (well, 2 DNFs and 1 DNS). One DNF was teammate stupidity. Daniel had 200 points, 6 DNFs and yes, one of them too was down to teammate stupidity: That's with a car that was substantially slower than the Ferrari. So to your point; "And if Ferrari want to go for the title as a constructor or a single driver, Vettel can’t just throw away the season after Spa." Yeah, so basically Ferrari need 2 good drivers to get a title. Not Seb and a guy who's able to drive to an equivalent 7/10 score every race.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2017 14:55:53 GMT
My favourite racer is Pastor Maldonado
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Post by Sunken on Nov 27, 2017 15:40:11 GMT
OK but... Kimi scored 205 points. He's the only top 6 driver with 0 wins. He hasn't won since Melbourne 2013 - i.e. Lotus - and if we're being honest he probably won't win again. He had 3 DNFs (well, 2 DNFs and 1 DNS). One DNF was teammate stupidity. Daniel had 200 points, 6 DNFs and yes, one of them too was down to teammate stupidity: That's with a car that was substantially slower than the Ferrari. So to your point; "And if Ferrari want to go for the title as a constructor or a single driver, Vettel can’t just throw away the season after Spa." Yeah, so basically Ferrari need 2 good drivers to get a title. Not Seb and a guy who's able to drive to an equivalent 7/10 score every race. i said that in a "what if?" context, but u obviously cut out the previous line. LET'S IMAGINE THAT KIMI GOT 300 POINTS AND VETTEL GOT THE POINTS HE HAS ATM, it still wouldn't be enough. Hamilton finished every race on points this season, it just wouldn't have been enough for Ferrari. obviously the would've been closer, but close doesn't count in F1
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Post by positivetension on Nov 27, 2017 17:54:57 GMT
As you saw today, Ricciardo’s retirement was caused by something being wonky at the back. That’s because he brushed the wall on sector 3, and it was shown on TV. That’s what we call a driver error. My understanding from the chat was that the issue occurred first and then he touched the wall (they were not 100% sure that he hit it)
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Post by endersai on Nov 27, 2017 18:48:06 GMT
OK but... Kimi scored 205 points. He's the only top 6 driver with 0 wins. He hasn't won since Melbourne 2013 - i.e. Lotus - and if we're being honest he probably won't win again. He had 3 DNFs (well, 2 DNFs and 1 DNS). One DNF was teammate stupidity. Daniel had 200 points, 6 DNFs and yes, one of them too was down to teammate stupidity: That's with a car that was substantially slower than the Ferrari. So to your point; "And if Ferrari want to go for the title as a constructor or a single driver, Vettel can’t just throw away the season after Spa." Yeah, so basically Ferrari need 2 good drivers to get a title. Not Seb and a guy who's able to drive to an equivalent 7/10 score every race. i said that in a "what if?" context, but u obviously cut out the previous line. LET'S IMAGINE THAT KIMI GOT 300 POINTS AND VETTEL GOT THE POINTS HE HAS ATM, it still wouldn't be enough. Hamilton finished every race on points this season, it just wouldn't have been enough for Ferrari. obviously the would've been closer, but close doesn't count in F1 I get that. I'm saying right now Vettel's too emotional and threw victories away and Ferrari's backup option passed his prime when he was still at Lotus. Kimi is warming a seat now. He's never going to win a race, much less title, again. If Ferrari really want to beat Mercedes, they cannot do it with Kimi. He has to go.
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Post by endersai on Nov 27, 2017 18:59:49 GMT
Timing... www.espn.com.au/f1/story/_/id/21570340/daniel-ricciardo-offers-brutally-honest-assessment-kimi-raikkonen-seasonABU DHABI -- Daniel Ricciardo issued a thinly-veiled criticism of Kimi Raikkonen's season after being beaten to fourth place in the championship by the Ferrari driver.
Ricciardo's mid-race retirement and Raikkonen's drive to fourth at Yas Marina allowed the Finnish driver to jump five points clear in the final classification. Though Ricciardo finished comfortably ahead of his teammate Max Verstappen, Raikkonen failed to come close to replicating the title challenge of Sebastian Vettel in the other Ferrari, falling 112 points short.
When asked how he felt about losing out in the battle with the 2007 world champion, Raikkonen said: "If I'm brutally honest, with that car he should have been a long way in front in the championship. So, yeah, I don't think it's a big deal."
Red Bull's season has been littered with retirements for both drivers, something which hindered its chances of getting anywhere close to Mercedes and Ferrari's battle for both championships. The suspected hydraulics failure in Abu Dhabi was Ricciardo's fifth of the year and it left the Australian driver frustrated with how he had finished the season.
"This one hurts actually, probably more than the others," he said. "Obviously I was gutted in Austin, but we had another chance in a week's time, but I don't have another chance until March now.
"It's just reliability, nothing I could have done to prevent it. Pretty bitter way to end the season to be honest. Sure, we had some highs but we finished in a bit of a trench."Bwoah i don't care i only race to 70% effort and if i get points thats ok but we want the win just not enough to fight for it and bwoah i don't care what Ricciardo thinks bwoah.
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Post by DucatiDoctor on Nov 27, 2017 20:46:24 GMT
My favourite racer is Pastor Maldonado I agree with you on this, he deserved that race win in Spain '12
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Post by Tsupernami on Nov 27, 2017 21:33:39 GMT
^ That And I mean, I'm literally advocating for Ricciardo. So how is Max's willy inside me?! I thought that was how you got pregananant and had a kid? If anyone is wondering what I wrote, look up the "Am I Pregant?" video
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Post by endersai on Nov 27, 2017 22:44:58 GMT
no that was Webber's willy. He's always been a bit slow off the starts.
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Post by Tsupernami on Nov 27, 2017 23:59:40 GMT
no that was Webber's willy. He's always been a bit slow off the starts. Running gag between a friend and mine, even though he doesn't race any more we still assume that Webber has lost positions at the start. Do you reckon he couldn't see the lights and just waited until everyone else moved?
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Post by endersai on Nov 28, 2017 1:58:52 GMT
Poor Webbsy. I don't forget though. I have a #3 Ricciardo hat and this bad boy still:
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