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Post by vxwk on May 4, 2015 6:50:30 GMT
Wow a lot of people who actually though Pac would win this, must not watch a lot of boxing (not that I really do anymore ) I really thought it would be more like 90% voting Pac just because I know the majority of people know pretty much nothing about boxing. People expect KOs all the time and if you dont get a KO its just a bad fight. Thats just not reality and Pac never went for the KO or put Floyd in situation where he might go for it. I wonder how many people have actually seen Muhammad Ali fight. The fight against George Foreman all he did was "run like a little bitch and lean on the ropes" Sound familiar? Eventually Foreman got tired and Ali knocked him down, NOT out. Foreman, exhausted from punching Ali, was too tired to stand up within 10 seconds. Floyd does what Ali did without getting hit and without needing a KO. Ali's now has parkinsons and looks like a shell of himself because of the abuse he took in the ring. Time will tell but I bet in 40 years Floyd is still healthy as ever mentally. I agree, although I hate the way Floyd plays you have to respect the amount of technique and physicality it takes to play like he does. I initially voted for Floyd in the poll but then removed my vote because I didn't want to vote in his favour. I personally have more respect for Manny because of how he came from nothing and fought his way toward the top whereas Floyd was born on stacks of cash and born straight in to boxing. For me that kind of shows, Manny looked like he was just there to fight and provide entertainment whilst Floyd was in it for the 'money'. I'm not an expert but I can see why neutral's/casual watchers thought Manny should win because he was the aggressor but you just have to appreciate that Floyd wasn't playing scared or didn't want to fight, he was playing with a strategy. That strategy makes him undefeated so whether you like it or not, the best boxer won.
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Post by Trowa on May 4, 2015 7:17:51 GMT
I really thought it would be more like 90% voting Pac just because I know the majority of people know pretty much nothing about boxing. People expect KOs all the time and if you dont get a KO its just a bad fight. Thats just not reality and Pac never went for the KO or put Floyd in situation where he might go for it. I wonder how many people have actually seen Muhammad Ali fight. The fight against George Foreman all he did was "run like a little bitch and lean on the ropes" Sound familiar? Eventually Foreman got tired and Ali knocked him down, NOT out. Foreman, exhausted from punching Ali, was too tired to stand up within 10 seconds. Floyd does what Ali did without getting hit and without needing a KO. Ali's now has parkinsons and looks like a shell of himself because of the abuse he took in the ring. Time will tell but I bet in 40 years Floyd is still healthy as ever mentally. I agree, although I hate the way Floyd plays you have to respect the amount of technique and physicality it takes to play like he does. I initially voted for Floyd in the poll but then removed my vote because I didn't want to vote in his favour. I personally have more respect for Manny because of how he came from nothing and fought his way toward the top whereas Floyd was born on stacks of cash and born straight in to boxing. For me that kind of shows, Manny looked like he was just there to fight and provide entertainment whilst Floyd was in it for the 'money'. I'm not an expert but I can see why neutral's/casual watchers thought Manny should win because he was the aggressor but you just have to appreciate that Floyd wasn't playing scared or didn't want to fight, he was playing with a strategy. That strategy makes him undefeated so whether you like it or not, the best boxer won. If Manny wasnt about his money he would of insisted he waited until he was 100% healthy and gave the people what they really wanted, as you say. He didnt do that, instead he got in the ring and accepted a slow methodical ass whooping for $120million. I would of waited another month or 2 for him to get healthy (we all would, no choice) to watch it. I mean why not? I already waited 5 years.
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Post by vxwk on May 4, 2015 8:54:08 GMT
I agree, although I hate the way Floyd plays you have to respect the amount of technique and physicality it takes to play like he does. I initially voted for Floyd in the poll but then removed my vote because I didn't want to vote in his favour. I personally have more respect for Manny because of how he came from nothing and fought his way toward the top whereas Floyd was born on stacks of cash and born straight in to boxing. For me that kind of shows, Manny looked like he was just there to fight and provide entertainment whilst Floyd was in it for the 'money'. I'm not an expert but I can see why neutral's/casual watchers thought Manny should win because he was the aggressor but you just have to appreciate that Floyd wasn't playing scared or didn't want to fight, he was playing with a strategy. That strategy makes him undefeated so whether you like it or not, the best boxer won. If Manny wasnt about his money he would of insisted he waited until he was 100% healthy and gave the people what they really wanted, as you say. He didnt do that, instead he got in the ring and accepted a slow methodical ass whooping for $120million. I would of waited another month or 2 for him to get healthy (we all would, no choice) to watch it. I mean why not? I already waited 5 years. Fair point.
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Post by Pundip on May 4, 2015 9:17:56 GMT
I was disappointed Manny didnt go for broke there at the end. I also think that Mayweather will fight Amir Kahn and then for his final fight he will rematch Pac. He says he will only fight 1 more time but I think it will be 2. Both Mayweather and Pacquiao's people allegedly spoke with Amir Khan personally after the fight and told him that they both want that fight. As a Brit, that would be incredible but even with Khans speed it won't be enough to beat Floyd. Khan has a glass chin as well so it could even be to first KO we see from Mayweather in a long time. People are talking about Kell Brook, but there is no way Floyd will take that fight. Brook is a nobody to Mayweather and both Brook and Khan are 10 years his junior...they're just too potentially lethal for him at his age. The obvious bet for his next match would be a rematch because the only other obvious fight for Manny would be Pacquiao v Marquez 5. I agree, he has come out and said he doesn't care about the 50 and it's just us and the media calling for it. Part of me believes him because we have no reason not too though. He boxes for the money so that he can provide for his family and so his kids have something when he passes....he's got that money and then some now. He just doesn't need to box any more and his body is ageing now.
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Post by Trowa on May 4, 2015 15:11:59 GMT
I was disappointed Manny didnt go for broke there at the end. I also think that Mayweather will fight Amir Kahn and then for his final fight he will rematch Pac. He says he will only fight 1 more time but I think it will be 2. Both Mayweather and Pacquiao's people allegedly spoke with Amir Khan personally after the fight and told him that they both want that fight. As a Brit, that would be incredible but even with Khans speed it won't be enough to beat Floyd. Khan has a glass chin as well so it could even be to first KO we see from Mayweather in a long time. People are talking about Kell Brook, but there is no way Floyd will take that fight. Brook is a nobody to Mayweather and both Brook and Khan are 10 years his junior...they're just too potentially lethal for him at his age. The obvious bet for his next match would be a rematch because the only other obvious fight for Manny would be Pacquiao v Marquez 5. I agree, he has come out and said he doesn't care about the 50 and it's just us and the media calling for it. Part of me believes him because we have no reason not too though. He boxes for the money so that he can provide for his family and so his kids have something when he passes....he's got that money and then some now. He just doesn't need to box any more and his body is ageing now. Apparently Kahn wouldnt be available for religous reasons(Ramadan) in september. Keith Thurman and Kell Brook are the prime canidates IF May stands firm on fighting in september. Frankly if the media immediately knew this would be the case then you know Floyd knows it and he never wanted the Kahn fight in the first place. Oh and when I say he will go for 50-0 I think he will do it after another brief retirement. Maybe a 2 year break and then he comes back and does 1 MAYBE 2 more fights to tie and then surpass Rocky Marciano depending on how is body feels after fight 50.
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Post by Pundip on May 4, 2015 15:28:06 GMT
Yeah Khan will be fasting during Ramadan. He said he would try to make the fight happen end of the year/early 2016. Not gonna happen though because Mayweather picks when and where he fights no matter what the circumstances. The Khan fight is the only commercially viable option that I know of, the rest just won't be able to bring in enough money to satisfy Mayweather.
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Post by Trowa on May 4, 2015 15:34:57 GMT
Yeah Khan will be fasting during Ramadan. He said he would try to make the fight happen end of the year/early 2016. Not gonna happen though because Mayweather picks when and where he fights no matter what the circumstances. The Khan fight is the only commercially viable option that I know of, the rest just won't be able to bring in enough money to satisfy Mayweather. Well the way his contract is setup hes guranteed a large amount no matter what. Idk those 2 both hold belts and are undefeated. Thurman would get demolished, I watched him fight The Ghost and he's nothing special at all. Kell Brook I havent seen fight but hes undefeated with a few decent wins. You know what would be really funny but it absolutely will NEVER happen? Adrien Broner. It would be like fighting a himself lol and lets be honest if Broner could put his game face on he would of beat Maidana and he would have already fought Floyd or he would of guranteed himself a shot at the ending the streak. Actually, now that Im thinking about it... Broner makes a LOT of sense. Hes Floyds prodige and if anyone has a chance to beat Floyd maybe his student is the one to do it? It also means that if Floyd loses he didnt get beat by some other camp. He will basically be passing the torch to a fighter hes helped groom, a fighter who affectionately calls him his Big Bro.
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Post by Pundip on May 4, 2015 15:42:23 GMT
Mayweather v Broner would be funny to see but like you said...never gonna happen
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Post by Trowa on May 4, 2015 15:45:57 GMT
Mayweather v Broner would be funny to see but like you said...never gonna happen Added a bit to that thought actually. Might of talked myself into believing its possible between now and the time I posted that.
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Post by Pundip on May 4, 2015 16:22:06 GMT
After reading that bit you added on, you have me convinced now as well. The exact reason why I assume it would never happen, Broner being his protege, might just be the reason that it could happen. As you say, it would be a passing of the torch that would be good for both fighters. Mayweather (possibly) being beaten by his apprentice would be a humbling way to end his career, and Broner winning would mean his career would skyrocket and be elevated the heights that he is currently on course to reach.
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Post by Ser Tandur on May 5, 2015 19:25:57 GMT
One of the more boring fights I've ever watched. Doesn't mean Mayweather isn't a master at being a defensive boxer. But when the match is only 12 rounds, you just have to get more clean blows in the other guy to win by decision.
Hopefully, now that this fight that has been on the prep table for 5 years is over with, boxing can finally fade into absolute obscurity. Not that I watch MMA.
Also, a funny thing I heard on one of the many sports talk shows: The scoring system for boxing is idiotic. What if baseball only counted who won the inning, and not the total number of runs? Pretty silly, if you ask me. Same for boxing.
IMO, Manny won the fight, despite the attempts by the British announcers I was listening to to be totally pro-Floyd. (I hate homer announcers) Pacquiao was more aggressive, landed more shots in total, and landed the biggest hit of the fight. Floyd hit Manny with more hard shots, but none that stumbled the little guy like the one Mayweather took that sent him reeling. It was obvious from my perspective that Floyd didn't come to fight, he came to be a mobile punching bag.
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Post by Trowa on May 5, 2015 19:41:31 GMT
One of the more boring fights I've ever watched. Doesn't mean Mayweather isn't a master at being a defensive boxer. But when the match is only 12 rounds, you just have to get more clean blows in the other guy to win by decision. Hopefully, now that this fight that has been on the prep table for 5 years is over with, boxing can finally fade into absolute obscurity. Not that I watch MMA. Also, a funny thing I heard on one of the many sports talk shows: The scoring system for boxing is idiotic. What if baseball only counted who won the inning, and not the total number of runs? Pretty silly, if you ask me. Same for boxing. IMO, Manny won the fight, despite the attempts by the British announcers I was listening to to be totally pro-Floyd. (I hate homer announcers) Pacquiao was more aggressive, landed more shots in total, and landed the biggest hit of the fight. Floyd hit Manny with more hard shots, but none that stumbled the little guy like the one Mayweather took that sent him reeling. It was obvious from my perspective that Floyd didn't come to fight, he came to be a mobile punching bag. Thats not how boxing is scored. Probably why you think its idiotic. A clean round on punches is score 10-9, 10 points in favor of the winner. A round with a dirty punch or headbutt results in a point deduction making it possible for a 10-8 win or a 9-9 draw if the dirty fighter wins the round on punches. Finally Knockdowns are a point deduction also for the person getting knocked down also. In a match like this where there were none point deductions I can see how you might be confused but I assure its not the case. Its just that neither fighter earned extra points. (Edit)Just to be clear. You add the points up from the rounds. So I had May 8-4 in rounds scored 116-112. If there was a knockdown in one of the rounds Manny won I still would of had it 8-4 in rounds but 115-112. Also knockdowns almost always win a round so if manny Scored a knockdown in just one round Floyd won it could of been 7-5 in rounds and been scored 114-113. As I keep saying repeatedly Manny needed a knockdown. He was never EVER going to beat Floyd on punches alone. With the fight scored 8-4 in favor of Mayweather it meant Manny desperately needed the knockdowns in the 4th and 6th when he briefly hurt May. Had he scored those knockdowns he would of won. Problem with being a homerun hitter (or a brawler like Manny) is if you are in a slump its really hard to be effective. Pac actually threw about the same amount of punches as Floyd but he only landed 19% as opposed to 34%. Pac's 2 big moments in the 4th and 6th were almost impressive but he didnt knock him down. Best I can do is give Pac the round which I did on my scorecard.
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Post by Pundip on May 5, 2015 19:50:54 GMT
One of the more boring fights I've ever watched. Doesn't mean Mayweather isn't a master at being a defensive boxer. I agree with this, although having watched the fight again the following day when Sky box office decided to work my initial disappointment with the fight eased a fair bit. Mayweather put on an absolute masterclass in how to win a boxing match, and provided that is what he is there to do I don't think the boos from the crowd after the announcement and posts after posts after posts on facebook were warranted. He was there to win the fight and win the fight he did. I can't agree with the rest of your statement though Tandur. Pacquiao was only more aggressive by default. Floyd is never going to be the one to come out swinging, it's just not his style or game plan. Pacquiao wasn't even aggressive this time either...he usually throws a hell of a lot more punches per round than he did. I saw maybe a hand full of flurries throughout the fight but they barely landed, he was mainly throwing one or two punches at a time. Anyone that truly believes that Manny won the fight must be kidding themselves. Don't get me wrong, I wanted Manny to win as much as the next guy but I knew it was a long shot. Every single commentator, boxer and former boxer that was interviewed said the same thing...Mayweather was the far superior fighter and deservedly won. Mike Tyson, David Haye, Amir Khan, Shane Mosley, Frank Bruno, Barry McGuigan...these are people that know the sport inside and out, great fighters, former champions, current champions are all in agreement as to who won. Sorry if that felt rant-like...just calling it how I see it, which you also did and I respect that.
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Post by Trowa on May 5, 2015 19:58:57 GMT
One of the more boring fights I've ever watched. Doesn't mean Mayweather isn't a master at being a defensive boxer. I agree with this, although having watched the fight again the following day when Sky box office decided to work my initial disappointment with the fight eased a fair bit. Mayweather put on an absolute masterclass in how to win a boxing match, and provided that is what he is there to do I don't think the boos from the crowd after the announcement and posts after posts after posts on facebook were warranted. He was there to win the fight and win the fight he did. I can't agree with the rest of your statement though Tandur. Pacquiao was only more aggressive by default. Floyd is never going to be the one to come out swinging, it's just not his style or game plan. Pacquiao wasn't even aggressive this time either...he usually throws a hell of a lot more punches per round than he did. I saw maybe a hand full of flurries throughout the fight but they barely landed, he was mainly throwing one or two punches at a time. Anyone that truly believes that Manny won the fight must be kidding themselves. Don't get me wrong, I wanted Manny to win as much as the next guy but I knew it was a long shot. Every single commentator, boxer and former boxer that was interviewed said the same thing...Mayweather was the far superior fighter and deservedly won. Mike Tyson, David Haye, Amir Khan, Shane Mosley, Frank Bruno, Barry McGuigan...these are people that know the sport inside and out, great fighters, former champions, current champions are all in agreement as to who won. Sorry if that felt rant-like...just calling it how I see it, which you also did and I respect that. There are only 2 people in the media Ive heard say Manny won and they mean it. Evander Holyfield and Skip Bayless. Make what you want of that.
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Post by Trowa on May 5, 2015 20:05:34 GMT
I think maybe people confuse Pac hitting Mays elbows and gloves as clean punches also. When you only count the punches Manny actually got through to Floyds head and body Manny had a really bad day and Mayweather consistently hit him.
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