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Post by .fiyah on Apr 28, 2015 15:51:47 GMT
'We're home Chewie'
Jawline definition still stands stronk!
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Post by Ser Tandur on Apr 28, 2015 16:22:49 GMT
I was SUPER excited for this, until I finally read a bit about the plot. Not the movie's plot per say, but more what they are not using. And that is pretty much anything from over two decades of star wars books, comics, video games, etc.
I knew Disney would ruin this.
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Post by fox4flame on Apr 28, 2015 16:46:30 GMT
Man, I need to watch these star wars films everyone talks about :S Whenever someone says Star wars, I am like ' wut ? ' I feel like I am missing some important stuff.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Apr 28, 2015 19:28:31 GMT
By the way, for some reason the trailer is not filling me with excitement, but rather pleased optimism. I am quite skeptical, still, and even though I quite liked JJ's showreel, aka Star Trek 1 and 2. These teasers do look very promising though. I guess I learned from the Hobbit, where I liked the first one very very much, but the other two just descended into childish CGI madness. Anyway, I am looking towards this very much, but it doesn't spark the overwhelming excitement making me do weird sounds and erratic movements a leaked GTA DLC does. I really liked the 'childish', less serious nature the first film took. I can't believe that completely let that balance go. The last two films were an absolute mess, especially the last one! I understand that PJ wanted to connect the trilogies but this should of been with subtle hints, the ending of the third fill where thy basically ram the LOTR hints down your throat was awful awful cinema, it was like they were treating the audience as 3 month old babies! I'm not to sceptical about this film though, although an un-popular opinion I actually like all the Star Wars (yes I, II and III included) and after JJ's Star Trek films I really can't see how this movie could turn out to be bad! Episode I was awful. Far too childish. While I know Star Wars is intended for younger viewers and I am not one of them anymore, I was 18 when Ep.1 was released and it was clearly aimed at an under 10 age demographic. Episode II was better, till the final battle sequence. Episode III was great, and truly drove home the point that Palpatine was one of the greatest villains of all time While I grew up on the original trilogy, I cannot stand to watch them anymore. The differences in quality of the films effects is too glaring for me to ignore. The one thing I was looking forward to is the difference in how scenes are shot. One thing that has always annoyed me about Star Wars is how it is shot like it is a theater play or sitcom; specifically I am talking how characters will be talking to each other, but they stand in a line facing one side of the set.
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Post by averageloz on Apr 28, 2015 21:03:13 GMT
I really liked the 'childish', less serious nature the first film took. I can't believe that completely let that balance go. The last two films were an absolute mess, especially the last one! I understand that PJ wanted to connect the trilogies but this should of been with subtle hints, the ending of the third fill where thy basically ram the LOTR hints down your throat was awful awful cinema, it was like they were treating the audience as 3 month old babies! I'm not to sceptical about this film though, although an un-popular opinion I actually like all the Star Wars (yes I, II and III included) and after JJ's Star Trek films I really can't see how this movie could turn out to be bad! Episode I was awful. Far too childish. While I know Star Wars is intended for younger viewers and I am not one of them anymore, I was 18 when Ep.1 was released and it was clearly aimed at an under 10 age demographic. Episode II was better, till the final battle sequence. Episode III was great, and truly drove home the point that Palpatine was one of the greatest villains of all time While I grew up on the original trilogy, I cannot stand to watch them anymore. The differences in quality of the films effects is too glaring for me to ignore. The one thing I was looking forward to is the difference in how scenes are shot. One thing that has always annoyed me about Star Wars is how it is shot like it is a theater play or sitcom; specifically I am talking how characters will be talking to each other, but they stand in a line facing one side of the set. It's weird that I've never noticed the film was shot like that! I didn't have that much of a problem with the Prequel Trilogy, although it was clearly aimed at a lower age group, I don't think they were that bad! My biggest gripe with the PM is that Darth Maul dies, they came up with a super cool, mysterious villain, then killed him all in one film? It would of made more sense to get rid of Count Dooku and have Darth Maul play the sub-villain in the prequel trilogies IMO. Also the whole General Grevious thing was a tad annoying, he should of just been a badass human similar to boba fett!
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Post by Duchartre on Apr 28, 2015 21:33:06 GMT
I really liked the 'childish', less serious nature the first film took. I can't believe that completely let that balance go. The last two films were an absolute mess, especially the last one! I understand that PJ wanted to connect the trilogies but this should of been with subtle hints, the ending of the third fill where thy basically ram the LOTR hints down your throat was awful awful cinema, it was like they were treating the audience as 3 month old babies! I'm not to sceptical about this film though, although an un-popular opinion I actually like all the Star Wars (yes I, II and III included) and after JJ's Star Trek films I really can't see how this movie could turn out to be bad! Episode I was awful. Far too childish. While I know Star Wars is intended for younger viewers and I am not one of them anymore, I was 18 when Ep.1 was released and it was clearly aimed at an under 10 age demographic. Episode II was better, till the final battle sequence. Episode III was great, and truly drove home the point that Palpatine was one of the greatest villains of all time While I grew up on the original trilogy, I cannot stand to watch them anymore. The differences in quality of the films effects is too glaring for me to ignore. The one thing I was looking forward to is the difference in how scenes are shot. One thing that has always annoyed me about Star Wars is how it is shot like it is a theater play or sitcom; specifically I am talking how characters will be talking to each other, but they stand in a line facing one side of the set. I think he was talking about the hobbit trilogy there...
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Post by Ser Tandur on Apr 28, 2015 21:41:14 GMT
Episode I was awful. Far too childish. While I know Star Wars is intended for younger viewers and I am not one of them anymore, I was 18 when Ep.1 was released and it was clearly aimed at an under 10 age demographic. Episode II was better, till the final battle sequence. Episode III was great, and truly drove home the point that Palpatine was one of the greatest villains of all time While I grew up on the original trilogy, I cannot stand to watch them anymore. The differences in quality of the films effects is too glaring for me to ignore. The one thing I was looking forward to is the difference in how scenes are shot. One thing that has always annoyed me about Star Wars is how it is shot like it is a theater play or sitcom; specifically I am talking how characters will be talking to each other, but they stand in a line facing one side of the set. It's weird that I've never noticed the film was shot like that! I didn't have that much of a problem with the Prequel Trilogy, although it was clearly aimed at a lower age group, I don't think they were that bad! My biggest gripe with the PM is that Darth Maul dies, they came up with a super cool, mysterious villain, then killed him all in one film? It would of made more sense to get rid of Count Dooku and have Darth Maul play the sub-villain in the prequel trilogies IMO. Also the whole General Grevious thing was a tad annoying, he should of just been a badass human similar to boba fett! Since you mentioned Boba Fett, for 20 years he was to my generation what Darth Maul is to millenials.
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Post by Duchartre on Apr 28, 2015 21:55:21 GMT
It's weird that I've never noticed the film was shot like that! I didn't have that much of a problem with the Prequel Trilogy, although it was clearly aimed at a lower age group, I don't think they were that bad! My biggest gripe with the PM is that Darth Maul dies, they came up with a super cool, mysterious villain, then killed him all in one film? It would of made more sense to get rid of Count Dooku and have Darth Maul play the sub-villain in the prequel trilogies IMO. Also the whole General Grevious thing was a tad annoying, he should of just been a badass human similar to boba fett! It's interesting that you think Darth Maul should have featured in more than one film. I'm not a super nerd about this stuff, but I know that lots of people consider him to be kind of a 'nothing' character. He was played by a martial artist, and maybe had one line? I think he definitely could have done with having a bit more to him - perhaps being featured in more films would have helped add some depth etc. I'm kind of fond of greivous to be honest. I find the whole power hierarchy that is created by having a Sith rule of two very interesting. Particularly with regards to what happens when valued parts of the Sith 'team' that aren't apprentice or master, start to be become too effective or powerful themselves. The clone wars animated series expands on this a lot (the assassin Ventriss that Dooku is ordered to kill by Palpatine). The animated series also has Darth Maul return! And in a somewhat believable way (he was chopped in half and fell down a massive hole xD) - but it really adds the depth/motivation/psyche to the character that he sorely lacked in the movie. I would definitely recommend watching the animated series from episode 12-17 of season 3 - really interesting stuff about the Sith and dark side of the force, they come in kind of trilogies of 20 minute episodes; thematically they are far beyond what the intended demographic would suggest (much like the whole prequel trilogy IMO) 21 and 22 from season 4 is where Maul comes back into it. Another thing I like about grievous is that he isn't a human. Part of what was so amazing about the originals was that you were exploring (from Luke's point of view) this whole new world with different species and stuff, and finding out that the universe is so much more diverse than Tattooine (or whatever part of earth you are from) so I think a variety of differently shaped villains and characters is only good. The 4 lightsabres was gratuitous though, in the kind of embarrasing but funny way that a lot of the prequel trilogy is
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Post by averageloz on Apr 28, 2015 21:56:16 GMT
It's weird that I've never noticed the film was shot like that! I didn't have that much of a problem with the Prequel Trilogy, although it was clearly aimed at a lower age group, I don't think they were that bad! My biggest gripe with the PM is that Darth Maul dies, they came up with a super cool, mysterious villain, then killed him all in one film? It would of made more sense to get rid of Count Dooku and have Darth Maul play the sub-villain in the prequel trilogies IMO. Also the whole General Grevious thing was a tad annoying, he should of just been a badass human similar to boba fett! Since you mentioned Boba Fett, for 20 years he was to my generation what Darth Maul is to millenials. I'm seriously hoping for a Boba Fett Anthology film, not sure if he's alive or not now though!
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Post by averageloz on Apr 28, 2015 22:00:28 GMT
It's weird that I've never noticed the film was shot like that! I didn't have that much of a problem with the Prequel Trilogy, although it was clearly aimed at a lower age group, I don't think they were that bad! My biggest gripe with the PM is that Darth Maul dies, they came up with a super cool, mysterious villain, then killed him all in one film? It would of made more sense to get rid of Count Dooku and have Darth Maul play the sub-villain in the prequel trilogies IMO. Also the whole General Grevious thing was a tad annoying, he should of just been a badass human similar to boba fett! It's interesting that you think Darth Maul should have featured in more than one film. I'm not a super nerd about this stuff, but I know that lots of people consider him to be kind of a 'nothing' character. He was played by a martial artist, and maybe had one line? I think he definitely could have done with having a bit more to him - perhaps being featured in more films would have helped add some depth etc. I'm kind of fond of greivous to be honest. I find the whole power hierarchy that is created by having a Sith rule of two very interesting. Particularly with regards to what happens when valued parts of the Sith 'team' that aren't apprentice or master, start to be become too effective or powerful themselves. The clone wars animated series expands on this a lot (the assassin Ventriss that Dooku is ordered to kill by Palpatine). The animated series also has Darth Maul return! And in a somewhat believable way (he was chopped in half and fell down a massive hole xD) - but it really adds the depth/motivation/psyche to the character that he sorely lacked in the movie. I would definitely recommend watching the animated series from the 5th season - really interesting stuff about the Sith and dark side of the force, they come in kind of trilogies of 20 minute episodes; thematically they are far beyond what the intended demographic would suggest (much like the whole prequel trilogy IMO) Another thing I like about grievous is that he isn't a human. Part of what was so amazing about the originals was that you were exploring (from Luke's point of view) this whole new world with different species and stuff, and finding out that the universe is so much more diverse than Tattooine (or whatever part of earth you are from) so I think a variety of differently shaped villains and characters is only good. The 4 lightsabres was gratuitous though, in the kind of embarrasing but funny way that a lot of the prequel trilogy is I hear very good things about the Clone Wars series, but your saying watch from Season 5, I believe that disney restarted the Clone Wars saga from a new beginning and have written off the 'old' series. Don't take my word on that though! I need to get really up to date and watch the Clone Wars before the new stuff comes out though!
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Post by Duchartre on Apr 28, 2015 22:06:18 GMT
It's interesting that you think Darth Maul should have featured in more than one film. I'm not a super nerd about this stuff, but I know that lots of people consider him to be kind of a 'nothing' character. He was played by a martial artist, and maybe had one line? I think he definitely could have done with having a bit more to him - perhaps being featured in more films would have helped add some depth etc. I'm kind of fond of greivous to be honest. I find the whole power hierarchy that is created by having a Sith rule of two very interesting. Particularly with regards to what happens when valued parts of the Sith 'team' that aren't apprentice or master, start to be become too effective or powerful themselves. The clone wars animated series expands on this a lot (the assassin Ventriss that Dooku is ordered to kill by Palpatine). The animated series also has Darth Maul return! And in a somewhat believable way (he was chopped in half and fell down a massive hole xD) - but it really adds the depth/motivation/psyche to the character that he sorely lacked in the movie. I would definitely recommend watching the animated series from the 5th season - really interesting stuff about the Sith and dark side of the force, they come in kind of trilogies of 20 minute episodes; thematically they are far beyond what the intended demographic would suggest (much like the whole prequel trilogy IMO) Another thing I like about grievous is that he isn't a human. Part of what was so amazing about the originals was that you were exploring (from Luke's point of view) this whole new world with different species and stuff, and finding out that the universe is so much more diverse than Tattooine (or whatever part of earth you are from) so I think a variety of differently shaped villains and characters is only good. The 4 lightsabres was gratuitous though, in the kind of embarrasing but funny way that a lot of the prequel trilogy is I hear very good things about the Clone Wars series, but your saying watch from Season 5, I believe that disney restarted the Clone Wars saga from a new beginning and have written off the 'old' series. Don't take my word on that though! I need to get really up to date and watch the Clone Wars before the new stuff comes out though! I think they restarted it as 'Rebels'. Haven't watched that yet. I edited my post to show the specific episodes with the relevant story arcs to this conversation (12-17 of season 3, and 21 and 22 from season 4 for Maul) I think the very first three episodes from the first season are to do with Greivous and are very good themselves, but if you find the presentation childish try to persevere because it's worth it IMO, or just watch the ones I suggested - there are darker and a bit more mature than the standard 'republic military is good' tone that you have to deal with throughout most the series
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Post by Trowa on May 4, 2015 7:36:52 GMT
It's weird that I've never noticed the film was shot like that! I didn't have that much of a problem with the Prequel Trilogy, although it was clearly aimed at a lower age group, I don't think they were that bad! My biggest gripe with the PM is that Darth Maul dies, they came up with a super cool, mysterious villain, then killed him all in one film? It would of made more sense to get rid of Count Dooku and have Darth Maul play the sub-villain in the prequel trilogies IMO. Also the whole General Grevious thing was a tad annoying, he should of just been a badass human similar to boba fett! Since you mentioned Boba Fett, for 20 years he was to my generation what Darth Maul is to millenials. Nah, Maul actually did something before he fell and he didnt die. If you watch The Clone Wars(animated series) you get to see him come back and fight with his brother Savage Oppress. Maul is by far my favorite villian in Star Wars followed closely by Ventress. As far as the films go I feel the story is really the driving force that interests me. I love when an author creates a universe and its the Star Wars universe that intrigues me. Im young enough that Ive seen episodes 4,5 and 6 in theatres when they rereleased them in theatres in the 90s. That allowed me to enjoy them for what they were then but I agree with Tandur they are pretty unwatchable now. Some of that is the acting and directing but most of that is the "special effects" Episodes 1,2 and 3 I feel are heading in that same direction with one exception. The lightsaber battles were infinitely better in the prequels. Those battles will really help the movies retain some of their "coolness" particularly when Ani starts to turn to the dark side. Personally I think any move that leans on special effects is going to struggle to stand the test of time. Part of what I love about the animated series The Clone Wars is that the limits are sort of endless and there is no budget preventing scenes from happening. As a result the story is a lot more detailed and you get a much better picture of the whats going on in the republic between episode 2 and 3. Which was pretty much completely cut out of the movies. All Ive read about episode 7 is that Luke essentially takes Yodas place as Master Jedi and begins teaching the ways of the force to new pupils since hes the only Jedi alive.
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Post by Renegade1911 on May 4, 2015 8:53:19 GMT
I was SUPER excited for this, until I finally read a bit about the plot. Not the movie's plot per say, but more what they are not using. And that is pretty much anything from over two decades of star wars books, comics, video games, etc. I knew Disney would ruin this. What? They're absolutely right to scratch the Extended Universe BS and go their new way. Why? One, much of the EU stuff is really bad, not worthy of a movie. Second, I want to see something new, be surprised. Not something I read in a B rated book or a comic.
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Post by nofxmatt1 on May 4, 2015 16:30:51 GMT
I feel like they should really do a whole spin off of Jar Jar Binks! Just 3 hours all of him getting into crazy shit. JK LOL!!! I REALLY just hope that they are good movies that will hopefully stand the test of time as well as the original films. I thought the trailer was pretty sweet and Im getting excited to see whats to come. Just came across this and thought this would be a good place for it to go. 37 'Star Wars' Facts for Star Wars Day
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Post by nofxmatt1 on May 4, 2015 20:18:44 GMT
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