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Post by Ser Tandur on Sept 29, 2014 18:12:28 GMT
Looking at the team standings today, they don't add up. Well, they do... but it seems the disconnects were given points for the position they were in when disconnected? I only ask because this was in the spreadsheet: Don't think I'm trying to be a dick, just curious is all. what would be the case? crazy and haydug got 1 point each and joe got 2 points... or are you talking about the ps3? nevermind. /facepalm I forgot about the reserve drivers. *sigh* |
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Post by Renegade1911 on Sept 29, 2014 18:55:48 GMT
Suggestion: The DC point system could work like this: the DC'd driver is awarded as points respective to the position he is in during the disconnect multiplied by the percentage of the race length he has (roughly) covered at the time of the disconnect. So if say someone DCs on lap 10 out of 20, he's at 50% of the race and should he be first he would earn 12*0,5=6. The only exception would be if the DC happens before the 10% mark. Anyone can be first after few corners if he is the only one to avoid a big wreck. So this is to prevent people from earning points they would be unlikely to receive otherwise. So if the DC happens before the 10% mark the respective driver would earn as many points as he would with this system not in place (so last place points if he were first to DC). Also any driver would earn points from the calculation method which would benefit him more (Say you DC from 5th place at 30% of the race length, but two drivers from your class have already disconnected. Normally you'd earn 3 points, but with the the other calculation method you'd get 3*0,3=1. That does not benefit you, so you would get 3 points from the original method rather than 1 from the new one). Hope you like this guys. I think this would be a very nice gesture to the good racers getting disconnected from top positions. If you don't understand something I said I clarify. The only problem I see with this is that there would be a need to log all the DCs and mention them in all the point sheets. Now, let's see what Broughy1322 has to say.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Sept 29, 2014 19:10:59 GMT
Suggestion: The DC point system could work like this: the DC'd driver is awarded as points respective to the position he is in during the disconnect multiplied by the percentage of the race length he has (roughly) covered at the time of the disconnect. So if say someone DCs on lap 10 out of 20, he's at 50% of the race and should he be first he would earn 12*0,5=6. The only exception would be if the DC happens before the 10% mark. Anyone can be first after few corners if he is the only one to avoid a big wreck. So this is to prevent people from earning points they would be unlikely to receive otherwise. So if the DC happens before the 10% mark the respective driver would earn as many points as he would with this system not in place (so last place points if he were first to DC). Also any driver would earn points from the calculation method which would benefit him more (Say you DC from 5th place at 30% of the race length, but two drivers from your class have already disconnected. Normally you'd earn 3 points, but with the the other calculation method you'd get 3*0,3=1. That does not benefit you, so you would get 3 points from the original method rather than 1 from the new one). Hope you like this guys. I think this would be a very nice gesture to the good racers getting disconnected from top positions. If you don't understand something I said I clarify. The only problem I see with this is that there would be a need to log all the DCs and mention them in all the point sheets. Now, let's see what Broughy1322 has to say. This is a very good idea, but would require some extra work by event coordinators to make sure where someone disconnected. Just looking back at past events, it's hard enough for them to put the actual finish order for drivers in instead of just handing out DNFs like they are stickers. It could be difficult determining a person's exact position in the race during disconnect if there is no spectator, recording, or no one near him. Take the North Loop for example. I believe it was the 2nd lap I lost 4th place and started slipping. Had I D/C sometime during that point, I think by your system I still would have gotten more points than I deserved (and earned in the end). The only worry is RAGE QUITTERS. I am trying to come up with a way to measure DCs for a skill rating system. If DCs are always given last position, or the next to last position if not the first to DC, then a rating might begin to reflect more your internet quality than your actual driving skill. Putting a modifier on the points received (or actually lost, in this case) is something I hope to use so people with poor internet connections aren't judged harshly, but at the same time providing a deterrent to rage quitters. |
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Post by vxwk on Sept 29, 2014 20:53:21 GMT
I can be a reserve for someone in the next round if anyone wants me  |
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Post by Broughy1322 on Sept 29, 2014 21:38:53 GMT
Whilst I like the idea in principle I'm not going to implement it. It would interfere with the consistency of the points, is quite a bit more work, can be quite inaccurate and difficult to know where someone was when they disconnected, leaves room for people to quit on purpose and still get more points (as mentioned above), can get pretty messy leading to arguments about rounding, how many laps done, etc, is against the spirit of an endurance event (ie. getting to the end). and quite simply isn't something you ever see in any racing series in RL ever. Whilst I know this isn't RL and disconnects are unfortunate, so too are mechanical issues in real racing or being taken out of the race on the first lap. Disconnects are meant to replicate that sort of thing when it comes to a real life championship. The only fair and logical way to do it which preserves the integrity of the points scoring system and the championship in general is to award points based on finishing position alone. If this was a real endurance race anyone who didn't finish wouldn't be given points, but since they also can't join back into the race halfway through to try and finish then giving points based on when someone disconnected is the best compromise.
It's a great shame when anyone disconnects but I don't want to introduce a messy system which would threaten the integrity of the whole points scoring system just to hand out a few more points here and there. The idea of having best 6 out of 7 results counting was done to ease the pain of missing a round or having a disconnect as well.
Plus, even if I was for this idea, I'm absolutely against changing the rules of a championship once a season is already underway. Leave that sort of amateur shit to F1.
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Post by parksguard on Sept 29, 2014 21:45:48 GMT
Whilst I like the idea in principle I'm not going to implement it. It would interfere with the consistency of the points, is quite a bit more work, can be quite inaccurate and difficult to know where someone was when they disconnected, leaves room for people to quit on purpose and still get more points (as mentioned above), can get pretty messy leading to arguments about rounding, how many laps done, etc, is against the spirit of an endurance event (ie. getting to the end). and quite simply isn't something you ever see in any racing series in RL ever. Whilst I know this isn't RL and disconnects are unfortunate, so too are mechanical issues in real racing or being taken out of the race on the first lap. Disconnects are meant to replicate that sort of thing when it comes to a real life championship. The only fair and logical way to do it which preserves the integrity of the points scoring system and the championship in general is to award points based on finishing position alone. If this was a real endurance race anyone who didn't finish wouldn't be given points, but since they also can't join back into the race halfway through to try and finish then giving points based on when someone disconnected is the best compromise. It's a great shame when anyone disconnects but I don't want to introduce a messy system which would threaten the integrity of the whole points scoring system just to hand out a few more points here and there. The idea of having best 6 out of 7 results counting was done to ease the pain of missing a round or having a disconnect as well. Plus, even if I was for this idea, I'm absolutely against changing the rules of a championship once a season is already underway. Leave that sort of amateur shit to F1. Turbos on cars is banned. Spoilers too. |
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Post by Qexor on Sept 29, 2014 21:47:32 GMT
One quick question: Will 'pavement surfing' as its known - be allowed on LSGP or will we be sticking to the road as much as possible?
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Post by Broughy1322 on Sept 29, 2014 21:51:49 GMT
One quick question: Will 'pavement surfing' as its known - be allowed on LSGP or will we be sticking to the road as much as possible? No rules specifically against it so you can go where you want. That's one we may have to look at for next season haha. I need to start learning some new LSGP lines methinks EDIT: Great race on sunday btw |
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Post by ♛ZeNzI23 on Sept 29, 2014 21:53:43 GMT
One quick question: Will 'pavement surfing' as its known - be allowed on LSGP or will we be sticking to the road as much as possible? No rules specifically against it so you can go where you want. That's one we may have to look at for next season haha. I need to start learning some new LSGP lines methinks No point in doing that, unless they patch it. It will need to be a thrust thing that nobody uses them and even then, who will see if you use them when your catching up or in a big lead.. If there is a way to control it than yes, but since there isn't we just need to use them I guess... |
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Post by Renegade1911 on Sept 29, 2014 22:02:18 GMT
Whilst I like the idea in principle I'm not going to implement it. It would interfere with the consistency of the points, is quite a bit more work, can be quite inaccurate and difficult to know where someone was when they disconnected, leaves room for people to quit on purpose and still get more points (as mentioned above), can get pretty messy leading to arguments about rounding, how many laps done, etc, is against the spirit of an endurance event (ie. getting to the end). and quite simply isn't something you ever see in any racing series in RL ever. Whilst I know this isn't RL and disconnects are unfortunate, so too are mechanical issues in real racing or being taken out of the race on the first lap. Disconnects are meant to replicate that sort of thing when it comes to a real life championship. The only fair and logical way to do it which preserves the integrity of the points scoring system and the championship in general is to award points based on finishing position alone. If this was a real endurance race anyone who didn't finish wouldn't be given points, but since they also can't join back into the race halfway through to try and finish then giving points based on when someone disconnected is the best compromise. It's a great shame when anyone disconnects but I don't want to introduce a messy system which would threaten the integrity of the whole points scoring system just to hand out a few more points here and there. The idea of having best 6 out of 7 results counting was done to ease the pain of missing a round or having a disconnect as well. Plus, even if I was for this idea, I'm absolutely against changing the rules of a championship once a season is already underway. Leave that sort of amateur shit to F1. Fair enough. |
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Post by Qexor on Sept 29, 2014 22:32:40 GMT
No rules specifically against it so you can go where you want. That's one we may have to look at for next season haha. I need to start learning some new LSGP lines methinks EDIT: Great race on sunday btw Fair enough - i suppose until they patch it theres no way of controlling who does it. Glad you cleared that up And you too, was a very intense battle which i think got the better of me in the end. Sorry about the two bumps was pushing a little too hard trying to figure out a way to make a pass. Can't believe i passed you then literally forgot to defend the corners and gave you the place back so easily. Was kicking myself afterwards. Set myself a target to try and beat you in at least one race during this season.  |
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Post by EderForty on Sept 30, 2014 4:51:31 GMT
... changing the rules of a championship once a season is already underway. Leave that sort of amateur shit to F1. Applause. |
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Post by Jontti500 on Sept 30, 2014 6:39:01 GMT
I don't think that a DC should be awarded with any points, I think the DCs can only be blamed on the person who receives them. IE unstable internet and badly optimized console systems.
I used to be one of those who got the dc's a lot, here are a few ways to get them fixed.
1. Get a stable internet, it doesn't need to be the fastest in the world the main thing is that it is stable. No mobile internets and use cable not wifi.
2. Reset your consoles operating system, this made the biggest difference to me. (Warning: remember to copy your save-files to an external hard-drive or an online storage.)
3. Keep as much free hard-drive space as possible on your console, don't keep movies on your hard-drive they take up unnecessary space. I for one only use about 100gb of my 500gb hard-drive.
Since I made those changes to my PS3 I have not had a single freezing issue and very rarely I dc. I think some of you noticed that when I started to play with you guys I DCed alot. Have you ever seen me DC recently?
Try these things out they could also help you.
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Post by ChrisDE22 on Sept 30, 2014 9:03:38 GMT
What do I do to reset my console operating system?
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Post by Jontti500 on Sept 30, 2014 12:04:55 GMT
Go in to "System settings" and then choose "Restore PS3TM System", it's almost at the bottom, now remember that this will remove all your Single player save files, videos, music, themes, downloaded games and updates. It will also reset all your settings to default. So make sure to copy the files u want to save to an online storage or an external hardrive or USB memory stick. Also remeber to sync all your trophies.
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