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Post by FriendlyBaron on Aug 18, 2016 4:43:34 GMT
Muscle Only Purges are no longer going to be announced. We will simply be doing them within a day or two of the crew hitting 1000 members. Representative purges will happen (like whenever we hit ~750 non-muscle members), and will be announced at least one week in advance. This lets us do simple muscle purges more often and without spamming the forums, so the only 'purges' that show up posted will be representative purges. There has been lots of discussion on this, but based on the new player rate, and the muscle->rep conversion rate, we feel this is the best option in for the crew right now. This is of course not set in stone should it not work, or a better idea be presented - in fact, mostly nothing is. We're always open to suggestions for changes or new things! You can see the full script of the new purge section here: nodo.freeforums.net/post/62592/threadP.S., PC will muscle purge tomorrow.
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Ganjalo
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Post by Ganjalo on Aug 18, 2016 7:08:52 GMT
Pushing people out of the crew is costing you a lot of efforts, and then you have to manage all those people rushing in the crew after every purge. On the other hand it's also not "nice" for them (they don't join the forums and have no clue why they're getting kicked I suppose, some might think they did something wrong, or... yeah it's just not so great). So right now the situation is not comfortable for us (mostly for you, the commissioners) and for the new members joining. That's not cool.
It kinda feels like fighting against water, pushing it away and then pushing it again when it comes back... It'll always come back. Be water, my friend. :p
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Post by KoBo_043 on Aug 18, 2016 12:23:51 GMT
Pushing people out of the crew is costing you a lot of efforts, and then you have to manage all those people rushing in the crew after every purge. On the other hand it's also not "nice" for them ( they don't join the forums and have no clue why they're getting kicked I suppose, some might think they did something wrong, or... yeah it's just not so great). So right now the situation is not comfortable for us (mostly for you, the commissioners) and for the new members joining. That's not cool. It kinda feels like fighting against water, pushing it away and then pushing it again when it comes back... It'll always come back. Be water, my friend. That's the whole problem. If they 'don't like it' they can come here, or ask on SC what happened, and there will always be a Comm or Lt. explaining it to them. We fill up the crews in a matter of a week (sometimes even faster) so simply put, we have no time to be concerned about the feelings of Muscle members.
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Post by FriendlyBaron on Aug 18, 2016 15:51:36 GMT
Pushing people out of the crew is costing you a lot of efforts, and then you have to manage all those people rushing in the crew after every purge. On the other hand it's also not "nice" for them (they don't join the forums and have no clue why they're getting kicked I suppose, some might think they did something wrong, or... yeah it's just not so great). So right now the situation is not comfortable for us (mostly for you, the commissioners) and for the new members joining. That's not cool. It kinda feels like fighting against water, pushing it away and then pushing it again when it comes back... It'll always come back. Be water, my friend. Actually simply clearing out muscle is super easy with my tool. at least for pc, i still post on the crew page about purges happening so they can easily see it there.
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Post by tronecolby on Aug 18, 2016 16:01:56 GMT
I think we should go back to invite only or like some others posted to have a casual crew thats open but those that are really serious to race especially to events, have it invite only or be more strict about signing up to the forums, etc.
Let's face it, most of them are here for a chance to race with Broughy and to be YouTube famous. NODO is notorious on YouTube so everyone likes to join on that alone.
When they do join, they don't sign up to the forums which means they don't know the guidelines. If we could make it a requirement then it would help. There are already a number of complaints about other members that's violating the guidelines or don't give a rats ass.
Just purging muscles is not working. That is just an opening of a bigger flood to get through. Those muscles are not signing up to the board. I see at least one post per purge on SC about being kicked.
I say make it an requirement to sign up, read the terms, etc before accepting. I know its a lot.
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sithboi
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Post by sithboi on Aug 20, 2016 2:58:52 GMT
"I say make it an requirement to sign up, read the terms, etc before accepting. I know its a lot." Truth right there, reading the guideline helped me to understand more about the community, but some of the muscles don't even know the guideline itself so it's a bother to be with them in freemode as they just pk sometimes.
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Post by deadcanrespawn on Aug 20, 2016 18:26:05 GMT
Just food for thought - NoDo becomes invite only crew with all present requirements plus candidate have to beat decent time on certain track which is set same for all applicants. Screenshot as a proof. Then crew members will consist of people who are really here for a good race. Discuss?
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Post by Jackimo on Aug 20, 2016 18:39:22 GMT
Just food for thought - NoDo becomes invite only crew with all present requirements plus candidate have to beat decent time on certain track which is set same for all applicants. Screenshot as a proof. Then crew members will consist of people who are really here for a good race. Discuss? Nope. NoDo is and always will be open to those of all skill levels. It's what makes NoDo, NoDo, and not one of those crews full of elitist snotbags that you sometimes see.
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Post by deadcanrespawn on Aug 20, 2016 18:50:07 GMT
Just food for thought - NoDo becomes invite only crew with all present requirements plus candidate have to beat decent time on certain track which is set same for all applicants. Screenshot as a proof. Then crew members will consist of people who are really here for a good race. Discuss? Nope. NoDo is and always will be open to those of all skill levels. It's what makes NoDo, NoDo, and not one of those crews full of elitist snotbags that you sometimes see. True, true. So how about screenshot that candidate has done like 10 laps of really long track, time is non factor. All of this to show commitement.
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Post by EDDI2142 on Aug 20, 2016 18:58:05 GMT
Nope. NoDo is and always will be open to those of all skill levels. It's what makes NoDo, NoDo, and not one of those crews full of elitist snotbags that you sometimes see. True, true. So how about screenshot that candidate has done like 10 laps of really long track, time is non factor. All of this to show commitement. I think participating in some events, especially the welcome playlist is enough commitment. And people who don't sign up for the forum should just get purged on a regular basis...
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Post by Tspoon on Aug 20, 2016 19:03:34 GMT
True, true. So how about screenshot that candidate has done like 10 laps of really long track, time is non factor. All of this to show commitement. I think participating in some events, especially the welcome playlist is enough commitment. And people who don't sign up for the forum should just get purged on a regular basis... FriendlyBaron Correct me if im wrong but I believe differentiating from those who have signed up to forums and just joined muscle members can not be done easily or in a simple automated fashion and therefore is not a viable solution although a desirable one.
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Post by jt33396 on Aug 20, 2016 19:09:03 GMT
True, true. So how about screenshot that candidate has done like 10 laps of really long track, time is non factor. All of this to show commitement. I think participating in some events, especially the welcome playlist is enough commitment. And people who don't sign up for the forum should just get purged on a regular basis... I would agree to say the welcome playlist is a good way to show commitment (I run the ps4 welcome playlist) but there have been people who sign up on the forums, sign up for the playlist, and I never see them again anywhere.
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Post by FriendlyBaron on Aug 20, 2016 19:38:55 GMT
I think participating in some events, especially the welcome playlist is enough commitment. And people who don't sign up for the forum should just get purged on a regular basis... FriendlyBaron Correct me if im wrong but I believe differentiating from those who have signed up to forums and just joined muscle members can not be done easily or in a simple automated fashion and therefore is not a viable solution although a desirable one. Yeah there is no automated way to do this that is available to us right now.
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Post by EDDI2142 on Aug 20, 2016 20:10:33 GMT
FriendlyBaron Correct me if im wrong but I believe differentiating from those who have signed up to forums and just joined muscle members can not be done easily or in a simple automated fashion and therefore is not a viable solution although a desirable one. Yeah there is no automated way to do this that is available to us right now. Sorry wrong formulation... What I meant is that people who are too lazy to get promoted to representative and all other muscles should get purged on a regular basis.
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Post by Jackimo on Aug 21, 2016 0:23:59 GMT
It doesn't need to be automated if a second admin layer is created, so that the title of lieutenant isn't completely arbitrary. There are 14 lieutenants in the PC crew, which should be more than enough to process invites. The workload isn't an issue and using that as an excuse to choose a sub-optimal "solution" is just plain lazy.
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