Theign I agree. Most predominantly black neighborhoods are shit. Most people go to jail and have an aggressive cycle that is hard to break. I don't know the answer to that, and I doubt anyone ever will. But blaming it on systemic racism, to me, seams like a cop out to avoid other reasons as to how this happens. If systemic racism was as bad as endersai make it out to be, then it's obviously doing a shit job because there are many black people in power that will be more successful than all of us combined. If it was a thing, we wouldent have had at least half of the voting population vote TWICE for a black man. Dosent that speak to how far we have come even in the last 60-70 years. Idk the answers to the problems and anyone that claims to do are lying to you.
I think referring to a black person as African American is discrimination from the off. It's utterly ridiculous and makes no sense. I get royally pissed off by the BBC when they do it over here because we never do it for any other nationalities, e.g. African British, African French etc.
One black man doing well does not mean there is no racism.
The fact that far more Black people live in poverty IS because of racism. That fact is undeniable. The question is weather the racism is over and it is just the recovery phase, or if it is still going on.
You are right that things have improved. Things have improved massively. Improved does not mean over however.
Sadly the fact is, there are still racists in America and they are making things harder for the black people they encounter. Furthermore, because of the prevalence of disadvantaged black people, there will be an entirely subconscious racism from people who are not racist. (For example: People who interview two candidates who are equally qualified, but hire the white guy because he gave the best impression when he entered simply because a part of their brain links "black" to "more likely to be uneducated/criminal". They do not even realise they are doing it, they may even be disgusted by racism.) The only question is, how many racists are there? The sad truth is, both sides are most likely misguided and assuming figures wide of the mark.
But still. The important part here is. Just because a handful of Black people have been successful does not mean racism is dead. A sign that it is dieing certainly. Not dead.
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I also want to point out this article links to proper surveys which highlight the point. thedelgadic1 brushed it aside because the studies were injurious to his facile argument and shaky set of assumptions.
This does not give rise to a valid challenge to those statistics; it is broadly akin to shooting a messenger based exclusively on the content of the message.
Using the sorcery of this wizard called "Google", i managed to combine the name of the victim with "black lives matter".
This Faustian pact showed that in fact the story was getting attention. It also afforded me access to the Guardian's upload of the dashcam footage.
Unlike most of the black people murdered, Hammond did turn the car almost into the officer. Lethal force wasn't justified however can we say Hammond wasn't confident his whiteness would protect him from brutality?
How you'd square this shooting though with what Alicia Garza et al have said... you can't. BLM is absolutely opposed to deaths like this.
Moreover, Hammond was killed as part of a drug sting in the war on drugs; a failure of a policy that has almost exclusively targeted black Americans.
However the LA Times cites Meredith Clark, assistant professor of journalism at University of North Texas, saying the attorney for the family has stopped chasing justice and instead demanded to know where the crowd is.
He's right. BLM have historically protested police shootings of unarmed whites, as their message has been police brutality is excessive, and blacks are disproportionately the victims.
Note - disproportionate =/= exclusive.
HuffPo makes the excellent point that will sail over your heads - nobody is asking about white on white crimes, though. Nobody is questioning why the family supplied pictures of a much younger Hammond, which softens his image. So you've unintentionally demonstrated systemic bias in this case.
If you were capable of seeing this I'd be impressed.
"Hammond's death has not generated the same national outcry as the deaths of Michael Brown, Eric Garner and others. Black Lives Matter, an activist community that is working to end what it says is the systematic targeting of black people by police, has been sharing Hammond's story on social media as another example of police brutality, and is also asking why Hammond's death has not prompted outrage by other groups."
Well this isn't a discussion. This is a group of people without the wherewithal to conduct basic analysis repeating bullshit from within their echo chamber and then shifting goalposts as required to avoid conceding a point.
Case in point; sources directly contradict key assertions made, and they are largely ignored because the picture they paint is injurious to the tenuous narrative that blacks are making shit up and America is not racist.
Your entire participation in this thread has been to start at a conclusion and work your way backwards to find "evidence" that supports it. And when that evidence is challenged, as per any form of discussion, you refuse to acknowledge it. Whilst that telegraphs to any mildly intelligent person that your argument is not very well structured, it's meaningless if you continue the cognitive dissonance.
So far I have provided:
* An article listing studies and statistics that highlight systemic bias.
Your response: TL;DR but here's some racist nonsense
Several articles highlighting that your assertion the shooting of 19 year old white male Zach Hammond didn't matter to Black Lives Matter activists was false
Your response: Ignore it, because it proves you wrong.
Why don't you just admit racism, or that you have no basis for your views except inherited prejudices passed down from an early age and stop pretending like your beliefs have a hint of merit?
And yet it is still possible to continue the discussion without name calling, nor insults. No matter how much you aggrandize your verbosity in order to obfuscate your demeaning terminology.
In all honesty I have not gotten any impression of racism upon the part of anyone participating in this thread. Merely some people putting forward an opposing view. No one has said anything to suggest that they themselves are racist, merely questioned the level of racism present. Maybe they are racist, maybe they are playing devils advocate, maybe they are misguided, or maybe they simply live in an area where there is in fact very little racism and this skews their view as to the state of things elsewhere in the US.
If you think they are wrong. Educate them. Enlighten them. Attempt to broaden their view point. If you think that this is not working then stop.
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