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Post by nerfstick on May 28, 2017 21:11:35 GMT
my POV of the first race right up until the game crashed. stallion yellow would've been overall p3 without that happening. this event was the first time i tried the mid-drive. Overall I really enjoyed it, especially the other airport track with Skirakzalus and .qlimax
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Post by Skirakzalus on May 28, 2017 21:12:05 GMT
highfive! MindlessRiff Thanks for the event, was enjoyable even after the exhausting broughcar race. Cars seemed pretty balanced to me, i'd overall judge them Dominator>Gauntlet>Stallion unless justus is some unknown prodigy. Hard to tell though with different drivers driving the vehicles. I'd suggest you get your hands on a quick driver who can quickly figure out the pace of a car and balance them that way if you can. That's what Ganjalo did with arken being so nice to test cars for his event. Yes, I should try to get somebody else to do the final testing, I was able to get them into the same area overall but getting everything out of the vehicles is above my abilities. I would have thought that it's more a case of Gauntlet > Stallion >> Dominator overall, unless the track type suits the Dom a lot. Justus is pretty fast overall, and quite a few Dom drivers were able to bring it up to top places. Question is if the Stallion and the Gauntlet really need some rebalancing as well, but on the other hand it could have been a case of differences between the drivers which also got amplified by some really fast Stallion-drivers leaving early. If this would have been a 3 race event Baron would have had second place in front of you after all. I kinda wonder how much the outcome would have changed if we just used one vehicle, but kept teams by two and an overall artificial split into three groups. I don't think it would have evened out. Maybe next time I'll have a rule that forces people who participated here to take a different vehicle.
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Post by Skirakzalus on May 29, 2017 8:24:18 GMT
Small update on the balancing: I tried giving the Dom a few stronger upgrades, but either giving it EMS2 or any transmission upgrade makes it over 1 second faster around Stab Valley, so I'm tinkering around with a non-spoiler setup, which is a bitch to drive but other than that seems to be more in line with the other cars overall.
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Post by MindlessRiff on May 29, 2017 9:38:39 GMT
Woohoo, go team blue! GG st0cking! Thanks for hosting Skirakzalus, was a fun event! Quite liked having all the races consecutively like that for a change. Was a great change of pace, although I think this contributed a lot to the drop out rate as it was quite a long event. On balance, it seemed like the dominator had the most potential in clear air (on at least 2 races it had fastest lap by a long way, 1 second+) but was hard to race with due to power differences. Maybe instead of a spoiler, you could give it additional engine/transmission which would keep it on equal pace overall, and on straights to ensure it doesn't become op (and not frustrating to watch everyone pull away in a straight line!). Edit: I see you are experimenting with it!I think overall they were fairly balanced because as you say, drivers made the difference. It depends if that's what you were aiming for though as it's all down to track selection, those two tracks clearly favoured high traction over power/top speed. Not a bad thing, in fact having favourable tracks for certain cars is really interesting, just it can make it challenging to race each other on them if the cars are very different. Thanks again
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Post by razorr8 on May 29, 2017 11:37:39 GMT
Small update on the balancing: I tried giving the Dom a few stronger upgrades, but either giving it EMS2 or any transmission upgrade makes it over 1 second faster around Stab Valley, so I'm tinkering around with a non-spoiler setup, which is a bitch to drive but other than that seems to be more in line with the other cars overall. maybe downgrade the gauntlet to engine 3 or downgrade it's transmission
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Post by esquz on May 29, 2017 15:58:12 GMT
Here is some of my highlights in the event I think the balance was very good because the dom rc was very fast around a clean lap but it was a little bit harder to overtake with it, thanks for hosting skira!
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Post by OfMikeAndMen on May 29, 2017 17:24:35 GMT
here are some highlights (mostly chokes tbh) from my pov
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Post by Skirakzalus on May 30, 2017 0:04:25 GMT
Small update on the balancing: I tried giving the Dom a few stronger upgrades, but either giving it EMS2 or any transmission upgrade makes it over 1 second faster around Stab Valley, so I'm tinkering around with a non-spoiler setup, which is a bitch to drive but other than that seems to be more in line with the other cars overall. maybe downgrade the gauntlet to engine 3 or downgrade it's transmission It's likely going to be the transmission, though I didn't test the engine downgrade yet. But these are things I'd likely need a test driver for anyways, I can only test things to a certain extend. Overall I don't think the difference between the Gauntlet and the Stallion is that much of an issue, in the final standings the Stallions suffered heavily from people leaving.
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Post by OfMikeAndMen on May 30, 2017 0:19:45 GMT
the stallions were still ~1 second off the pace on sandy chores and at least 2 seconds on all other tracks, while the dominators actually got the fastest lap time on two of the tracks Edit: dont know how to use quotes properly :c
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Post by Skirakzalus on May 30, 2017 0:43:47 GMT
the stallions were still ~1 second off the pace on sandy chores and at least 2 seconds on all other tracks, while the dominators actually got the fastest lap time on two of the tracks Edit: dont know how to use quotes properly :c I'm looking at multiple lap times here to make a comparision: For the first race Doms got between 1:42,7 and 1:43,4 Stallions had 1:42,5 to 1:45,5 and Gauntlets 1:44,0 to 1:45,0 with Doom's laptime being quite an outlier. The issue with looking at laptimes this way is that this wasn't a hotlapping session so cars could have been slowed down due to being stuck behind somebody else and not all drivers are necessarily on the same pace. For all I care I need to nerf Doom in future events more than the Gauntlet.
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Post by razorr8 on May 30, 2017 11:22:46 GMT
ye race 1 and 2 were good for dom but 3 and 4 nope , it's slower compared to others , i dont know maybe it feels slow cause im not use to it that slow
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Post by MindlessRiff on May 30, 2017 11:46:49 GMT
ye race 1 and 2 were good for dom but 3 and 4 nope , it's slower compared to others , i dont know maybe it feels slow cause im not use to it that slow Iirc, Justus in the Dom RC got fastest lap in race 4 by almost a full second so it was definitely on pace in that race. It's just the top speed and acceleration. I think mid driving made huge differences in laptimes in the gauntlet and stallion classes. For the Other Airport race, doom mentioned at the end he mid drove 3 times per lap (might've been more given the tracks nature with hairpins) if I remember that right. I myself don't mid drive much usually - I miss them a lot coming out of corners (must practice!), which explains his big speed advantage there, and its likely a similar story in race 1.
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Post by st0cking on May 30, 2017 12:28:08 GMT
ye race 1 and 2 were good for dom but 3 and 4 nope , it's slower compared to others , i dont know maybe it feels slow cause im not use to it that slow Iirc, Justus in the Dom RC got fastest lap in race 4 by almost a full second so it was definitely on pace in that race. It's just the top speed and acceleration. I think mid driving made huge differences in laptimes in the gauntlet and stallion classes. For the Other Airport race, doom mentioned at the end he mid drove 3 times per lap (might've been more given the tracks nature with hairpins) if I remember that right. I myself don't mid drive much usually - I miss them a lot coming out of corners (must practice!), which explains his big speed advantage there, and its likely a similar story in race 1. had the same problem as you, corners weren't slow enough for me to middrive. I was able to middrive the last corner on other airport track 1 or 2 times at the beginning of the race but then i kept failing so i stopped.
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Post by Skirakzalus on May 30, 2017 14:22:26 GMT
I am not sure who had the problem with GTA minimizing itself, but here may be a solution: nodo.freeforums.net/post/259182/threadAnd yes, the middrives are a bit of a problem when it comes to balancing. Btw would there be any volunteers to help me testing the car setups? It would just come down to some hotlapping.
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Post by razorr8 on May 30, 2017 15:40:55 GMT
I am not sure who had the problem with GTA minimizing itself, but here may be a solution: nodo.freeforums.net/post/259182/threadAnd yes, the middrives are a bit of a problem when it comes to balancing. Btw would there be any volunteers to help me testing the car setups? It would just come down to some hotlapping. that was imfishy
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