ovivoJR
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Post by ovivoJR on Feb 23, 2016 18:43:29 GMT
I voted no because of the video proof, which is bothering me. I don't mind capping my FPS. Maybe the FPS graph thing can work. I believe FPS aren't the only reason for some people having better engines, and we will never be able to know for sure if someone's car is faster or not. I think we can make the 60FPS an official rule. Then since the problem is about enforcing it, we can decide to "drug-test" suspicious racers. A drag race could do the trick. Like IRL competitions, idk, cycling. You assume everyone plays by the rules and do random controls + controls based on suspicion. So just like IRL competitions we can have someone win the championship and then a few years later, found guilty of doping, and all that drama This is the idea I am aiming for in the competition. I am not willing to check everybodies fps after the race. I just don´t have the time for that and I want to enjoy the racing not just deal with all the regulations after each race. Most likely everybody has to make sure they have a proof that they only use 60fps. However that proof looks like. If there is any suspicion that a driver is not following the rule I will contact them and ask for the proof that the are not breaking the rules. If they cannot provide a proof they will receive a penalty or disqualification for that specific race. It shouldn´t be a big deal though because I am already getting 10-12 POV after each race. So these people shouldn´t have any troubles having a framecounter somewhere in there footage.
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Post by serviinutiles on Feb 23, 2016 19:54:41 GMT
I don't like the idea of a 60 FPS cap, both because i prefer the added smoothness of a high FPS setup, and because it's one of many things that are not an even playing field(controller, input lag, etc etc), and that's just how PCs are. Also, as Ganjalo noted, FPS are likely not the only thing affecting performance differences between players. That being said, this is obviously the most egregious known imbalance, and as the alternatives of stopping the event, or allowing unchecked FPS are far worse, i'll vote yes here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2016 7:03:53 GMT
Next we will be checking the condition of peoples controllers or keyboards or whatever input device they decide to race with to make sure we are all the same I would have voted "dont care" ,, this is such a stupid thing to try and "enforce".. So what if someone gets more FPS and therefore goes a little quicker.. I understand the keeping it a level playing field,, but this is going to far. Next season it will be a requirement to list GPU / Monitor / PC specs to be able to join..Oh,,and you need screenshots and receipts to prove your rig is what you say..
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Post by .fiyah on Feb 24, 2016 8:58:23 GMT
Next we will be checking the condition of peoples controllers or keyboards or whatever input device they decide to race with to make sure we are all the same I would have voted "dont care" ,, this is such a stupid thing to try and "enforce".. So what if someone gets more FPS and therefore goes a little quicker.. I understand the keeping it a level playing field,, but this is going to far. Next season it will be a requirement to list GPU / Monitor / PC specs to be able to join..Oh,,and you need screenshots and receipts to prove your rig is what you say.. :o 1984 all over again.
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Madderose
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Post by Madderose on Feb 24, 2016 9:18:27 GMT
Well, I wasn't satisfied because the smoothness on 60 hz is awful, and really bug me up. However, by turning the motion blur to very high it's good enough. I don't care about how the car will perform, after testing it's really a matter of difference of handling of the car. Maybe in Mirrors Edge having more than 60 fps could have helped, but I have achieved the same usual time (with same speed on the double bumps, and the first big straight on the bridge) as during the race with 60 fps, I needed some time to adapt, because basically the car is more agile and there is more lag input with 60 fps than, said, 80 when it begins to be smoother to my eyes. So I would say yes to FPS recorder, if anyone have any, but I don't want to have everyone to do a video-proof just for this. Also, please note that going to Windowed disable every limit you set in Geforce drivers or vsync. I don't usually go into windowed during GRotti F1, but be aware of this issue. I agree with Ganjalo and serviinutiles.
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ovivoJR
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Post by ovivoJR on Feb 25, 2016 0:09:06 GMT
2016 Grotti F1 Framerate Restriction
So here are the results of the poll about this issue:
30 votes in total: yes - 19 votes (63.33%) no - 11 votes (36.67%)
The result is in favor of limiting fps to 60 and record this with video proof. The decision is not unanimous (less thatn 66.66%)
Regulation changes for the rest of the season:
Due to the result it is recommended to use 60fps but there is no enforcment to do so. We will continue with a gentlemen´s aggrement to use the following recommended settings:
- 60fps - 90fps average - v-sync
This is not a rule that can be penalized. So if somebody decides to exceed the recommended fps limits that is allowed. Still I would be very disappointed if people use this mechanic to their advantage. It is not very honorable in my opinion. But in the end everybody has to decide for their own if they want to gain an unfair advantage that has nothing to do with driver skill. I won´t give any credit to drivers who decide to do so.
My own opinion about the situation:
I don´t have the time and will to check everybodys fps afte each race. There have always been diffrences in the setup of PCs. I know some people will be disappointed at the result of the poll but we should not forget that this is still a game. Does it really matter if somebody is 0.5 of a sec faster on a track? I don´t think that this will decide a championship. Disconnects have a much bigger impact on the results than the FPS boost. I cannot force anybody to use a certain setup for their game. I wouldn´t want anybody to tell me how to play the game. Still I would adjust my settings to get a fair competition and that is what I can suggest to everybody: If you want to race fair then set your settings to the recommended fps limits.
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Ganjalo
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Post by Ganjalo on Feb 25, 2016 13:12:17 GMT
I am in favor of the 60 FPS cap being a rule, and I think a lot of the other racers are.
Of course we have 30 votes for 22 racers which makes taking a decision harder, so in that regard, I'm fine with what you decided. I just feel like that was a lot of noise for nothing. Hopefully it served at least one purpose by raising awareness of all drivers concerning that issue.
I'll just go ahead and say I am now using v-sync to cap my FPS at 60 and encourage everyone to play by the same rules. If you don't, you're a meanie and will be thrown to hell on judgment day.
Good luck and have fun.
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Post by Oh_Darn on Feb 25, 2016 13:21:53 GMT
RAGE MODE "ON"
Just going to put it exactly as I feel it without getting personal. So don't come and give me shit about that.
You're a massive dick if you breach the gentleman's agreement and don't cap your game at 60 fps. You should also feel no pride in anything you accomplish doing so. I just don't get how some people think it's ok to do better than you actually are because your system allows you to do so. I don't give a shit if you think I attack you personally, that tells me enough about how you are.
There, I said it. Now fuckin' deal with it.
Rage mode "off"
Beautiful day, isn't it?
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ovivoJR
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Post by ovivoJR on Feb 25, 2016 14:10:08 GMT
I am in favor of the 60 FPS cap being a rule, and I think a lot of the other racers are. Of course we have 30 votes for 22 racers which makes taking a decision harder, so in that regard, I'm fine with what you decided. I just feel like that was a lot of noise for nothing. Hopefully it served at least one purpose by raising awareness of all drivers concerning that issue. I'll just go ahead and say I am now using v-sync to cap my FPS at 60 and encourage everyone to play by the same rules. If you don't, you're a meanie and will be thrown to hell on judgment day. Good luck and have fun. Yes the amount of votes was also overwhelming for me too. But don´t forget that we have pitwatcher, safety car and cameramen + several reserver drivers.
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Post by Blade died for our sins on Feb 25, 2016 16:46:38 GMT
RAGE MODE "ON"Just going to put it exactly as I feel it without getting personal. So don't come and give me shit about that. You're a massive dick if you breach the gentleman's agreement and don't cap your game at 60 fps. You should also feel no pride in anything you accomplish doing so. I just don't get how some people think it's ok to do better than you actually are because your system allows you to do so. I don't give a shit if you think I attack you personally, that tells me enough about how you are. There, I said it. Now fuckin' deal with it. Rage mode "off"Beautiful day, isn't it? Just adding my experience - there was a point where I went full tryhard and lowered my settings so I could get 110-140 FPS and let me tell you, every win since then has meant something. Winning at 140 FPS is so damn shallow
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Post by _ShediM_ on Feb 25, 2016 17:00:17 GMT
Darn goin' in hot. Agreed with everything though, from now on I'll be including an fps counter in every single footage to leave no doubt, basically.
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Post by _ShediM_ on Feb 25, 2016 17:09:04 GMT
That little rant/drama was needed in my opinion. At least now we know where we stand exactly.
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Post by Blade died for our sins on Feb 25, 2016 21:15:45 GMT
I won't be including an FPS counter but I will be including me showing that I have VSync on
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Post by Madderose on Feb 26, 2016 7:53:26 GMT
Hello everyone, I found numerous ways to record FPS over time, all free and with different constraints. For people who are recording & sharing their race:The easiest solution to prove at any points fps is to use the steam overlay. Show the overlay, or go in the steam Settings, go to the In-Game tab, then select " In game FPS counter" ans put it where you want. It's small, low-contrast, so it's not overwhelming. You can also use any other program like FRAPS to show the fps on screen, but it's ugly. imgur.com/a/HcFjS (Result & Configuration) For people not recording their race:
(but that want to be cleaned of any suspicion, or want to see how their game is going) Go to the Fraps website, download the free trial (unlimited in time, fine for our use), install it. You just have to launch fraps, and use the Benchmark key during the race. By default it's F11. It creates a excel file with both average fps over each second during the benchmark, a log report about the benchmark, and a full timestamps of each frame rendering time. On demands of race officials or alongside your video, you can then upload the files created, by default in C:\Fraps\Benchmarksimgur.com/a/hDj6K (Configuration & resulting files)
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Post by cloudmcshort on Feb 26, 2016 11:41:00 GMT
Nice post there Madd.
I will personally use the Overwolf FPS counter and stream the race. FPS counters do not show on my recordings anyway so that's a good solution for me.
Also, that Fraps benchmark thing, what a brilliant idea!
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