Ganjalo
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Post by Ganjalo on Mar 2, 2016 21:16:46 GMT
From the video it looks like jeffrey loses the rear end by himself on the chicane? Even though ovivo says he hit him in the back, I don't see it. After what ovivo pushes him and actually helps him get back on the track. The next move from ovivo, at the end of the uphill straight, is a dive bomb, but jeffrey saw it coming.
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ovivoJR
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Post by ovivoJR on Mar 2, 2016 21:23:07 GMT
The overtake on end of uphill after the incident at 7:20. Isn't that an illegal overtake, considering he mightve been able to defend on the uphill if you didn't hit him, making him get a bad exit out of the chicane? I had that happen to me at the same spot in this race, already talked with the person about it in private and resolved it though, and it lost me some valuable positions as 2 cars overtook me and i obviously can barely catch back up with the sultan once someone has passed me for good in top10. I'm just curious if for some reason this was an allowed overtake or if i'm right about it. As you can see after the crash I tried to recreate the gap that we had before the crash by first letting him go infront again and then on the uphill section even pushing him into his rear instead of going onto his side. I knew it would have been an illegal overtake if I just pass him like that. But on the end of the uphill section I think our battle wasn´t effected by the crash anymore so I went for the overtake. At least that is what I think about that situation. Don´t know if I should have waited longer. |
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Post by endersai on Mar 2, 2016 21:34:27 GMT
No you're fine Ovivo, and I don't agree that this is a "dive bomb", Ganjalo. A late-braking overtake that is not unsafe is not divebombing, it's a valid tactic. A divebomb, by its nature, is unsafe and reckless by comparison. This was neither |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 21:34:41 GMT
From the video it looks like jeffrey loses the rear end by himself on the chicane? Even though ovivo says he hit him in the back, I don't see it. After what ovivo pushes him and actually helps him get back on the track. The next move from ovivo, at the end of the uphill straight, is a dive bomb, but jeffrey saw it coming. Could we please stop calling every normal overtake a drivebomb? I mean it's like you guys never seen actual racing. Or is drivebomb the name for "late braking overtakes" here? |
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Post by endersai on Mar 2, 2016 21:38:56 GMT
See how I said the same thing without attitude?  |
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Post by doompenguin on Mar 2, 2016 21:40:10 GMT
I think ovivo should have abandoned the overtake on that straight up the hill. Imo in a situation like that you need to wait until after the next braking zone to make sure any advantage you may have gained is reset.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 21:44:49 GMT
doom pls. they both got their speed taken out after the corner, the overtake was because the banshee was faster uphill.
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Post by Oh_Darn on Mar 2, 2016 21:45:56 GMT
See how I said the same thing without attitude? Uncalled for. |
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Post by endersai on Mar 2, 2016 21:58:46 GMT
Excuse me?
There's no point at which saying "it's like you guys have never seen real racing" could be confused with someone being respectful and engaging their peers in the crew.
I do not want an environment of hostility and aggression to underpin this event; we may battle on track but in this thread, in the lobbies, and on TS but in this thread we will be respectful. If we're not, I expect it to be called out, so that the toxicity that crept into the daily playlist is not going to infect SATCC.
Respect is the basic currency an SATCC driver should transact in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 22:13:03 GMT
Respect is the basic currency an SATCC driver should transact in. Not only SATCC ,, but NoDo races of any description |
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Post by Dnl_Jackson on Mar 2, 2016 22:20:14 GMT
ender pls ... you're goddamn right.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 22:21:32 GMT
Excuse me? There's no point at which saying "it's like you guys have never seen real racing" could be confused with someone being respectful and engaging their peers in the crew. I do not want an environment of hostility and aggression to underpin this event; we may battle on track but in this thread, in the lobbies, and on TS but in this thread we will be respectful. If we're not, I expect it to be called out, so that the toxicity that crept into the daily playlist is not going to infect SATCC. Respect is the basic currency an SATCC driver should transact in. Yeah I was more like general, since minimum one time in a daily playlist for example someone calls someone for drivebomb, which wasn't one at all. This is why I think that they don't know what drivebomb actually means, which isn't quite overtake with late braking. |
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Ganjalo
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Post by Ganjalo on Mar 2, 2016 22:24:07 GMT
I guess ovivo's move can't be called a dive bomb, but it's still not a clean move in my mind. He is cutting jeffrey's line and not leaving him any space on the corner. Is that considered OK? Because from what I understand, holding your line and giving space to the other racer is the only rule in corners. In my mind ovivo should have slowed down even more and done inside/inside, and jeffrey outside/outside. The way I see it it's not an overtake and he's just forcing his way in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2016 22:32:50 GMT
Argh guess I cannot articulate myself friendly in english at all. Fuck it, at least you understand the context I try to say.
No, if you are inside the corner it's your corner, and the guy outside has to brake or whatever to let you pass. But the overtake from ovivo was clean as fuck, he was even completely on the racing line just before the apex. No problems at all there. This means NOT that you can "really drivebomb" into the inside of the corner, and force the other to brake for you with too much speed difference. That will not work and is not allowed. The general problem with GTA racing is that you don't have slipstream, which help a lot with clean overtakes. This way, the difference between a clean but agressive overtake and a real drivebomb is very small.
You can see more "mistakes" done by jeffrey on the downhill and on the pit corner, where he also spins out ovivo.
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Post by endersai on Mar 2, 2016 22:51:21 GMT
I guess ovivo's move can't be called a dive bomb, but it's still not a clean move in my mind. He is cutting jeffrey's line and not leaving him any space on the corner. Is that considered OK? Because from what I understand, holding your line and giving space to the other racer is the only rule in corners. In my mind ovivo should have slowed down even more and done inside/inside, and jeffrey outside/outside. The way I see it it's not an overtake and he's just forcing his way in.
Fundamentally though, that's ok. Daniel Ricciardo (Red Bull Racing) does a lot of these elbows-out overtakes and they're thrilling to watch; they're not dangerous but there's a real tenacity to them. Ovivo didn't require Jeffrey to take crazy lines to avoid him or stop entire to avoid a collision, and so on that front it's a great move.
The general rule in corners is that if a person making an overtake has their rear wheels in line with your front wheels, they're considered to have made the move. You can of course switch back and your team-mate and I had a few of these battles at SSGP; I finally got past by doing an overtake like this.
In practical terms what it means is this; once Ovivo's rear wheels are aligned with Jeffrey's front wheels, "and already, my wheels are up into position!" as it were, then Jeffrey would be at fault if he turned into to Ovivo and spun him out. Jeffrey no longer has track position and right of way; Ovivo has it. Now because Ovivo went deep on exit on that turn Jeff could have and in fact did spring back past but not enough to make it stick.
Ricciardo is, for my mind, of the best overtakers in F1 today. Others are good - obviously Fernando and Jenson at McLaren, but they're going to retire in coming years; Seb Vettel, and Max when he's not crashing. But Danny is fearless, clean, and innovative.
It looks like this was recorded on a potato - so probably a console - but you can see what I mean here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SHCU9ZHSpM
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