James_N9699
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Post by James_N9699 on Nov 1, 2014 14:48:55 GMT
Not if you know the cars. The 9F is just much harder to achieve consistency with, which is why the Feltzer is turning into the next Elegy-hype. In truth, the top end of sports is a pretty close battle between Elegy, Massacro, Feltzer, 9F, Surano, Jester and Comet. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rapid GT, Carbonizzare, Alpha and Coquette could keep up as well however. But too few of the top racers are taking the time to learn those cars, as they handle kind of awkward. Sultan is a little off the pace, but should be able to keep up decently as well. It's really all a matter of having a driver who knows the car well, and so far the Elegy and Massacro have been the easiest sports cars to learn to drive, so everyone jumped on a hype. And now the Feltzer is climbing in there with them on the hype. However, I suspect the best 2 sports cars might quite possibly be the Jester and the 9F, once people start learning to drive them for what they are, and don't attempt to drive them like they were Elegys or Feltzers. You underestimate the sultan Sultan top 20 but not top 10
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Post by Broughy1322 on Nov 1, 2014 14:51:31 GMT
will you create a new offroad track or use field trip if you do? I haven't even thought about it yet tbh
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Xiphactin
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Post by Xiphactin on Nov 1, 2014 15:45:02 GMT
1.Zentorno 2.Turismo 3.Entity 4.Cheetah 5.Feltzer 6.Elegy 7.9F 8.Massacro 9.Infernus 10.Adder
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Post by jbcarfreek on Nov 1, 2014 16:01:49 GMT
- Zentorno
- Entity
- Turismo
- Elegy
- Felzer
- Cheetah
- Massacro
- Felzer
- 9F
- Adder
Someone likes the feltzer XD I mend jester , already edited it
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Post by Ser Tandur on Nov 1, 2014 16:43:59 GMT
And TBH I'm far more interested in the results for cars 11 through 40 or 50. Seeing how the less used cars stack up is where the action is at.
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Selephia
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Post by Selephia on Nov 1, 2014 17:09:56 GMT
here's my guess
1. Zentorno 2. Entity 3. Turismo 4. Cheetah 5. Infurnus 6. Elegy 7. Massacro 8. Adder 9. Voltic 10. Feltzer
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spartan2291
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Post by spartan2291 on Nov 2, 2014 0:51:39 GMT
Feltzer below 9F is an even bolder choice. Not if you know the cars. The 9F is just much harder to achieve consistency with, which is why the Feltzer is turning into the next Elegy-hype. In truth, the top end of sports is a pretty close battle between Elegy, Massacro, Feltzer, 9F, Surano, Jester and Comet. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rapid GT, Carbonizzare, Alpha and Coquette could keep up as well however. But too few of the top racers are taking the time to learn those cars, as they handle kind of awkward. Sultan is a little off the pace, but should be able to keep up decently as well. It's really all a matter of having a driver who knows the car well, and so far the Elegy and Massacro have been the easiest sports cars to learn to drive, so everyone jumped on a hype. And now the Feltzer is climbing in there with them on the hype. However, I suspect the best 2 sports cars might quite possibly be the Jester and the 9F, once people start learning to drive them for what they are, and don't attempt to drive them like they were Elegys or Feltzers. The Elegy, Massacro, Jester and Feltzer are on a completely different level IMO. The 9F is on the ragged edge 100% of the time. There are drivers who can drive it consistently and finish on pace, but it is a small pool. It is exhausting to race. When I see someone racing it, I know they are either extremely quick or they are going to lose it on the first corner. It's not a matter of driver preference or hype. There is a clear top tier in every class and there's a reason you don't see many Comets or Carbonizarres in serious races. They just aren't competitive.
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Post by fachuro on Nov 2, 2014 10:01:54 GMT
Not if you know the cars. The 9F is just much harder to achieve consistency with, which is why the Feltzer is turning into the next Elegy-hype. In truth, the top end of sports is a pretty close battle between Elegy, Massacro, Feltzer, 9F, Surano, Jester and Comet. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rapid GT, Carbonizzare, Alpha and Coquette could keep up as well however. But too few of the top racers are taking the time to learn those cars, as they handle kind of awkward. Sultan is a little off the pace, but should be able to keep up decently as well. It's really all a matter of having a driver who knows the car well, and so far the Elegy and Massacro have been the easiest sports cars to learn to drive, so everyone jumped on a hype. And now the Feltzer is climbing in there with them on the hype. However, I suspect the best 2 sports cars might quite possibly be the Jester and the 9F, once people start learning to drive them for what they are, and don't attempt to drive them like they were Elegys or Feltzers. The Elegy, Massacro, Jester and Feltzer are on a completely different level IMO. The 9F is on the ragged edge 100% of the time. There are drivers who can drive it consistently and finish on pace, but it is a small pool. It is exhausting to race. When I see someone racing it, I know they are either extremely quick or they are going to lose it on the first corner. It's not a matter of driver preference or hype. There is a clear top tier in every class and there's a reason you don't see many Comets or Carbonizarres in serious races. They just aren't competitive. You are contradicting yourself with that statement about the 9F. My point is exactly what you are saying, that it is being underestimated because it's hard to control and gain consistency with. Where exactly did you counter that argument? The car itself, when handled right, is able to compete. But without a driver to handle it properly it obviously wont be able to compete. That statement is true for any car, as that is the drivers responsibility, not the car. Comets, Carbonizzares and Suranos are also extremely underestimated. I'm not saying the Elegy isn't the best or the Massacro isn't the best, but as mentioned above here the differences when handled by the right drivers aren't 0.1 or in some cases even 0.01 of a second. The Comet is basically an Elegy that gets the Elegy-spin a little bit easier, but if you're spinning, you're not handling the car right. Thus you're spinning out. I've still not managed to master the Carbonizzare, but I have seen some people who have being insanely fast. Personally though, I think when people start using the 9F and the Jester more you will see those cars beating Feltzers and Elegys more and more often. I don't think they will beat the Feltzer and the Elegy for this series though. No offense to Broughy, but obviously, as you state yourself this is only the testing of one driver, and I do suspect you are more confident in the Feltzer and the Elegy simply because you have used them more in races. And that doesn't mean anything about the quality of this testing, which I believe is really good and useful still. It's very good research material, and combined with own experiences and the results of other drivers as well it provides a very good platform to base opinions and choices on. As for the list, any guess is as good as the other pretty much. But I suppose I can make a guess as well. 1. Turismo R 2. Zentorno 3. Entity 4. Voltic 5. Adder 6. Feltzer 7. Surano 8. Jester 9. Elegy RH8 10. Vacca I don't think the Cheetah or the Massacro will offer enough competition on the track because of the nature of alot of the corners, often going either from a wide to narrow or narrow to narrow. It wont benefit the cars size or driving style.
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Post by Broughy1322 on Nov 2, 2014 11:29:03 GMT
Personally though, I think when people start using the 9F and the Jester more you will see those cars beating Feltzers and Elegys more and more often. Of course you will. That's just from natural variance in racing though and the fact that those who may have won before in Feltzers or Elegys are now driving something else - you can't read anything into how quick a car is compared to another because of that.
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Post by fachuro on Nov 2, 2014 12:23:57 GMT
Personally though, I think when people start using the 9F and the Jester more you will see those cars beating Feltzers and Elegys more and more often. Of course you will. That's just from natural variance in racing though and the fact that those who may have won before in Feltzers or Elegys are now driving something else - you can't read anything into how quick a car is compared to another because of that. Of course not, I was just trying to point out that natural variance going the other way around But I do think the 9F and the Jester have a slightly bigger potential to be faster, it's hard to tell though. Because despite what people generally think, the Sports class seem to be very well balanced after the spoiler update. And then I wanted to throw in that the top Tier in sports isn't just Elegy/Massacro/Feltzer, but should also include 9F/Jester/Surano/Comet. And as you said, whichever car is dominating the faster lap times among those will pretty much be decided by which car the fastest drivers are using, because there is really so little seperating those cars in terms of their top performance. The hardest ones to get consistent high performance with though are surely the 9F/Jester/Surano/Comet (Throwing the Jester in there because of the kerb issue, without kerb issues it's pretty simple to get good consistency with). Which is why I also think the Elegy/Massacro/Feltzer has been so dominant in that chronological order, it's been a matter of when people achieve a certain mastery with the different cars. And I think we're just starting to see that emerge with the 9F now with some of the top players, and it will probably spread more in the future. However, as the Top Tier become more varied we will also see less dominance from any particular car as some people will still choose to stick to their old choice. And to be fair, some moderation need be applied to that statement as saying you can't read anything into it is a bit extreme. It doesn't provide any definitive answers, but it still provides a grounds for speculation. Which is the basis of any hypothesis, which again is the basis of any serious research. So whilst it shouldn't be read too much into, it shouldn't be read too little into either. ;-) Anyways, keep up the good work. I hope I didn't come across as unappreciative of the testing you've been doing, I do appreciate it, and I think you have a good test track. That being said, I don't think it's perfect or provides any kind of "ultimate answer", but it is a very useful tool in terms of helping people decide for themselves. You're a very good and consistent driver, which gives a lot of credibility. But I hope you would still agree, as you yourself also say, that there is still the human factor and that your results are your results.
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Post by CantDrive55Andy on Nov 2, 2014 12:59:03 GMT
I'll throw my quarter in this wishing well and predict:
1. Turismo 2. Zentorno 3. Elegy 4. Entity XF 5. Adder 6. Feltzer 7. Cheetah 8. Massacro 9. Vacca 10. Z Type
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On a "completely serious" note, I'll also predict:
11. Futo with all the tires flat 12. Futo with racing stripes 13. Futo with dollar sign rims 14. Gold Futo 15. Baby Blue Futo 16. Lime Green Futo 17. Wine Red Futo 18. Candy Red Futo 19. Chrome Futo 20. Pink Futo
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Finally, I predict the Bullet will only be #22 in the car rankings.
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Post by James_N9699 on Nov 2, 2014 13:20:46 GMT
I'll throw my quarter in this wishing well and predict: 1. Turismo 2. Zentorno 3. Elegy 4. Entity XF 5. Adder 6. Feltzer 7. Cheetah 8. Massacro 9. Vacca 10. Z Type ___________________________________________ On a "completely serious" note, I'll also predict: 11. Futo with all the tires flat 12. Futo with racing stripes 13. Futo with dollar sign rims 14. Gold Futo 15. Baby Blue Futo 16. Lime Green Futo 17. Wine Red Futo 18. Candy Red Futo 19. Chrome Futo 20. Pink Futo ___________________________________________ Finally, I predict the Bullet will only be #22 in the car rankings. You underestimate pink Futo and Chrome Futo
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Post by Trowa on Nov 2, 2014 13:54:57 GMT
- Entity XF
- Zentorno
- Turismo R
- Cheetah
- Infernus
- Adder
- Massacro
- Voltic
- Elegy
- Vacca
It seems like some are underestimating the lower end Super cars. Those still have a combination of better grip, better brakes, better acceleration, maybe even all of those, than only a very few Sports cars can hope to match. And the 9F chubbies going on... lol. Nothing to get too serious about, these cars will be separated by tenths of a second. Splitting hairs here. To be perfectly honest I put the 9F in my list because the track doesnt have a long straight and the car can hang with everything but the elegy. Knowing that it can throw down times on par with those cars and that Broughy is taking safe lines just makes me think it will be there. I did say the Infernus could be tenth too. One of the big reasons you see threads about getting the elegy banned or should it be a super car is because it was beating the Entity on quite a few tracks before the Zentorno existed. Actually pretty much any track without a big straight. I think its totally reasonable to think the top 5 sports are in the top ten when they are marginally slower than the elegy. Just my opinion though. I can promise you the Vacca and the Voltic wont make the top ten though. Voltic is electric so it gets screwed from no tranny or turbo upgrade and the Vacca while a sexy looking car is sadly notoriously slow. I think only the bullet was slower in original testing.
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Post by jmar17 on Nov 2, 2014 14:29:17 GMT
1:Zentorno 2:Entity XF 3:Elegy RH8 4:Turismo R 5:Cheetah 6:Massacro 7:Adder 8:Infurnus 9:Feltzer 10:Vacca
No Voltic because no turbo.
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Post by spartan2291 on Nov 2, 2014 15:48:40 GMT
The Elegy, Massacro, Jester and Feltzer are on a completely different level IMO. The 9F is on the ragged edge 100% of the time. There are drivers who can drive it consistently and finish on pace, but it is a small pool. It is exhausting to race. When I see someone racing it, I know they are either extremely quick or they are going to lose it on the first corner. It's not a matter of driver preference or hype. There is a clear top tier in every class and there's a reason you don't see many Comets or Carbonizarres in serious races. They just aren't competitive. You are contradicting yourself with that statement about the 9F. My point is exactly what you are saying, that it is being underestimated because it's hard to control and gain consistency with. Where exactly did you counter that argument? The car itself, when handled right, is able to compete. But without a driver to handle it properly it obviously wont be able to compete. That statement is true for any car, as that is the drivers responsibility, not the car. Comets, Carbonizzares and Suranos are also extremely underestimated. I'm not saying the Elegy isn't the best or the Massacro isn't the best, but as mentioned above here the differences when handled by the right drivers aren't 0.1 or in some cases even 0.01 of a second. The Comet is basically an Elegy that gets the Elegy-spin a little bit easier, but if you're spinning, you're not handling the car right. Thus you're spinning out. I've still not managed to master the Carbonizzare, but I have seen some people who have being insanely fast. Personally though, I think when people start using the 9F and the Jester more you will see those cars beating Feltzers and Elegys more and more often. I don't think they will beat the Feltzer and the Elegy for this series though. No offense to Broughy, but obviously, as you state yourself this is only the testing of one driver, and I do suspect you are more confident in the Feltzer and the Elegy simply because you have used them more in races. And that doesn't mean anything about the quality of this testing, which I believe is really good and useful still. It's very good research material, and combined with own experiences and the results of other drivers as well it provides a very good platform to base opinions and choices on. What I mean with the 9F is that it can definitely be on pace with the Massacro, Elegy, Feltzer, and Jester, but it is much less forgiving and takes a LOT more skill and involvement to be on pace. I'd agree with you on that car--it does have potential. However, I think if you take a skilled driver and have him hot lap a certain track repeatedly, MEFJ will still be faster. The 9F just doesn't inspire confidence the way the other cars do in the corners and knowing it's slidey nature will be a detriment when really looking to shave hundredths off per corner. That's why you don't see a ton of guys racing them anymore. It's a dark horse in every race--the dude racing it is either an Ayrton or a Bruno. Comets, Carbonizarres and Suranos are just not very competitive. I think they are rated exactly where they fall in the sports class. I've never felt the Comet was like an oversteering Elegy--and I used to race the Comet a lot. Sure, GUN1T or another 1% driver could dust me in a Comet while I'm racing a Feltzer. But that is the top tier of talent in this game. Rosberg in a Dodge Neon could dust me around Spa while I'm in a Formula Ford--that doesn't mean the Neon is faster than a Formula Ford. Broughy attempts to analyze objective abilities of each car. I think he's done a great job of that. Sure, some drivers may prefer the feel of a 9F and be quicker with it than with a Feltzer, but objectively his list provides a great, objective reference for vehicle performance.
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