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Post by jbcarfreek on Nov 2, 2014 16:04:25 GMT
I just dont get it why people put the vacca/voltic in the top 10 there is a reason these cars are never used . as for the infernus, its a wild card but for me that thing is more than 1 sec slower than a cheetah on downtown Underground. unless broughy has godlike drivingskills with these cars
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Post by fachuro on Nov 2, 2014 20:19:19 GMT
You are contradicting yourself with that statement about the 9F. My point is exactly what you are saying, that it is being underestimated because it's hard to control and gain consistency with. Where exactly did you counter that argument? The car itself, when handled right, is able to compete. But without a driver to handle it properly it obviously wont be able to compete. That statement is true for any car, as that is the drivers responsibility, not the car. Comets, Carbonizzares and Suranos are also extremely underestimated. I'm not saying the Elegy isn't the best or the Massacro isn't the best, but as mentioned above here the differences when handled by the right drivers aren't 0.1 or in some cases even 0.01 of a second. The Comet is basically an Elegy that gets the Elegy-spin a little bit easier, but if you're spinning, you're not handling the car right. Thus you're spinning out. I've still not managed to master the Carbonizzare, but I have seen some people who have being insanely fast. Personally though, I think when people start using the 9F and the Jester more you will see those cars beating Feltzers and Elegys more and more often. I don't think they will beat the Feltzer and the Elegy for this series though. No offense to Broughy, but obviously, as you state yourself this is only the testing of one driver, and I do suspect you are more confident in the Feltzer and the Elegy simply because you have used them more in races. And that doesn't mean anything about the quality of this testing, which I believe is really good and useful still. It's very good research material, and combined with own experiences and the results of other drivers as well it provides a very good platform to base opinions and choices on. What I mean with the 9F is that it can definitely be on pace with the Massacro, Elegy, Feltzer, and Jester, but it is much less forgiving and takes a LOT more skill and involvement to be on pace. I'd agree with you on that car--it does have potential. However, I think if you take a skilled driver and have him hot lap a certain track repeatedly, MEFJ will still be faster. The 9F just doesn't inspire confidence the way the other cars do in the corners and knowing it's slidey nature will be a detriment when really looking to shave hundredths off per corner. That's why you don't see a ton of guys racing them anymore. It's a dark horse in every race--the dude racing it is either an Ayrton or a Bruno. Comets, Carbonizarres and Suranos are just not very competitive. I think they are rated exactly where they fall in the sports class. I've never felt the Comet was like an oversteering Elegy--and I used to race the Comet a lot. Sure, GUN1T or another 1% driver could dust me in a Comet while I'm racing a Feltzer. But that is the top tier of talent in this game. Rosberg in a Dodge Neon could dust me around Spa while I'm in a Formula Ford--that doesn't mean the Neon is faster than a Formula Ford. Broughy attempts to analyze objective abilities of each car. I think he's done a great job of that. Sure, some drivers may prefer the feel of a 9F and be quicker with it than with a Feltzer, but objectively his list provides a great, objective reference for vehicle performance. Again, I agree with what you're saying in your first half. However, in the second half you're drawing conclusions that there's just not any grounds for. Having a subjective opinion is all good and well, but it's important to retain the semantics of it. Broughy's list is a great, subjective reference for vehicle performance. It's not objective, because it's purely based upon his own track and his own driving experience with each car. I'm not saying that's not great, I'm saying it's not objective. And regardless of how great it is, it will never become objective. It's simply what the words mean, so claiming anything else is just foolish bickering. And yes, it is a great subjective reference. I have never claimed it wasn't great. But it's wrong to claim that it's objective, when it's inherently subjective. A banana is not a potato, regardless of how long you leave it in the ground and how brown it becomes. It will also never become a potato. The objective reference is gained by comparing multiple sources without drawing conclusions. You also don't have to be a 1% driver to become proficient in a Comet, 9F or Surano. (I never claimed the Carbonizzare to be as good as those 3, it's slightly behind but still competitive if you can get consistent with it) You just have to use that specific car alot in races against people using the top Tier cars, so you can discover how to use the car to get on their pace. You could be the shittiest driver with any other car, and become great with one of those cars if you only use that. It seems to me that you underestimate these cars, however, you may do as you want, we can agree to disagree. Just don't tell me that you're right and I'm wrong and that it's your objective opinion :-) As for the Voltic and the Vacca, I kept those in my list because I think they may be underestimated super cars that can perform a lot better then the general opinion would have it. And it's not the performance but the general opinion that decide which cars are used the most/the least. It's just a wild guess though, as I have limited knowledge experience with the super cars. I've only ever owned a Turismo and a Zentorno.
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Post by ΩmegaOzzy on Nov 3, 2014 1:17:30 GMT
EVERYONE WRONG. This is the real top 10 list
1.Lorraine (My Shiny Heavy Sniper)
2.SwagMobile
3.SwagVan
4.Colonel Sanders
5.RiceMobile
6.RiceMobile
7.RiceMobile
8.RiceMobile
9.RiceMobile
10.Ingot
Ain't anything faster than a .50 Bullet
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Post by double_s92 on Nov 3, 2014 14:52:29 GMT
EVERYONE WRONG. This is the real top 10 list 1.Lorraine  (My Shiny Heavy Sniper) 2.SwagMobile 3.SwagVan 4.Colonel Sanders 5.RiceMobile 6.RiceMobile 7.RiceMobile 8.RiceMobile 9.RiceMobile 10.Ingot Ain't anything faster than a .50 Bullet I throw up in my mouth a little every time I see the ingot. Thank the gta heavens (a.k.a loading screens) that it's rare.
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Post by Hale on Nov 3, 2014 16:43:36 GMT
1.Zentorno 2.Turismo 3.Elegy 4.Entity 5.Cheetah 6.Feltzer 7.Massacro 8.Jester 9.9F 10.Adder I basically have the top Sports and Supers here. I think the lack of super long straight nullifies a lot of the Supercar top speed and that lets the elegy slide into third above the cheetah and Entity. The Feltzer and Massacro will be close but again just not enough top end straights for the Massacro to get it done. Jester and 9F do really well in the turns but lack the power to keep up with the other 2 sports cars ahead of them. Slightly better acceleration and traction gives the Jester the edge. Then finally I slide the Adder in. It may be higher but I think with the amount of turns and only the one medium length straight this car will struggle. It doesnt have great acceleration either so on this track I wouldnt be shocked if it fell out of the top 10. I just cant think of what I would put next. I suppose the Infernus or the comet. The thing about CCGP is you pretty much never hit top speed. Only on the back straight and you dont stay at top speed long. So my theory is that many of the sports cars will be able to post fast times. same list for me but the adder in 8th not 10th
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Post by Hale on Nov 3, 2014 16:44:39 GMT
All these people putting the entity above the turismo you silly silly people
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Post by Malice on Nov 3, 2014 16:52:13 GMT
All these people putting the entity above the turismo you silly silly people lol I been thinking the exact same thing.
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Post by smitveedub aka inFamous_Smithy on Nov 3, 2014 17:12:22 GMT
All these people putting the entity above the turismo you silly silly people lol I been thinking the exact same thing. X2 Ive only recently been using the turismo again and it FEELS so quick dare a say it quicker than the zentorno but i dont know they are two totally different cars and the zentorno may not feel as quick but i do think the zentorno is a little more sure footed so can on some tracks the zentorno would be quicker some turismo would be quicker. But that would also depend on driver.
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Post by vxwk on Nov 3, 2014 17:41:07 GMT
1) Zentorno 2) Turismo 3) Elegy 4) Entity 5) Cheetah 6) Massacro 7) Feltzer 8) Infernus 9) 9F 10) Jester
Adder or Voltic might squeeze one of those last ones out.
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Post by Selephia on Nov 3, 2014 18:12:51 GMT
lol I been thinking the exact same thing. X2 Ive only recently been using the turismo again and it FEELS so quick dare a say it quicker than the zentorno but i dont know they are two totally different cars and the zentorno may not feel as quick but i do think the zentorno is a little more sure footed so can on some tracks the zentorno would be quicker some turismo would be quicker. But that would also depend on driver. having owned a zentorno and i own a turismo, both are very fast cars but the turismo suits my driving style and the zentorno doesnt. The only reason i put the zentorno on the 1. spot in my list is due to the fact that people have set the best times on tracks with the zentorno. So basicly me not being able to drive the zentorno to its fullest i cant really tell which one would be faster. But for the entity vs turismo, im sure they are both pretty close in lap times.
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Post by Doodle on Nov 3, 2014 19:11:48 GMT
Thinking a bit harder about how each car performs, I've decided on updating my top 10 list.
1. Zentorno 2. Turismo 3. Entity 4. Elegy 5. Cheetah 6. Massacro 7. Infernus 8. Feltzer 9. Adder 10. 9F
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Post by Trowa on Nov 3, 2014 19:30:52 GMT
Thinking a bit harder about how each car performs, I've decided on updating my top 10 list. 1. Zentorno 2. Turismo 3. Entity 4. Elegy 5. Cheetah 6. Massacro 7. Infernus 8. Feltzer 9. Adder 10. 9F Cheater. You cant go flip flopping now poodle!
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Post by Lupaciađź’• on Nov 3, 2014 19:51:12 GMT
Okay I best make a serious list, the top 3 cars (for me) are obvious but the after that its a little varied in choice.
1. Zentorno 2. Turismo 3. Entity XF
No real testing has gone into the Entity to see weather it'll be faster than the Turismo (or Zentorno, but I doubt it'll beat that) so at this moment in time I'll leave it in third.
Now it gets a little hard for me to make a decision. Having looked at broughy's stock testing most super cars beat sports cars (Voltic upwards), however a couple of sports cars including the Feltzer and 9F get a significant boost from the spoiler update so it makes it difficult.
4. Cheetah 5. Elegy RH8 6. 9F 7. Adder 8. Infernus 9. Feltzer 10. Massacro
I included the Adder because in the stock testing it got 2nd out of the Supers, roughly what the Gauntlet got in muscle, and having seen the Gauntlet loose a couple of spots for not having a spoiler I thought the Adder would go down a couple of spots but not enough to knock it off the top ten.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 19:54:59 GMT
Okay I best make a serious list, the top 3 cars (for me) are obvious but the after that its a little varied in choice. 1. Zentorno 2. Turismo 3. Entity XF No real testing has gone into the Entity to see weather it'll be faster than the Turismo (or Zentorno, but I doubt it'll beat that) so at this moment in time I'll leave it in third. Now it gets a little hard for me to make a decision. Having looked at broughy's stock testing most super cars beat sports cars (Voltic upwards), however a couple of sports cars including the Feltzer and 9F get a significant boost from the spoiler update so it makes it difficult. 4. Cheetah 5. Elegy RH8 6. 9F 7. Adder 8. Infernus 9. Feltzer 10. Massacro I included the Adder because in the stock testing it got 2nd out of the Supers, roughly what the Gauntlet got in muscle, and having seen the Gauntlet loose a couple of spots for not having a spoiler I thought the Adder would go down a couple of spots but not enough to knock it off the top ten. 9f ahead of the feltzer and massacro?
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Post by Ser Tandur on Nov 3, 2014 19:56:45 GMT
Don't the Vacca and Voltic have spoilers?
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