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Post by Lupaciađź’• on Nov 3, 2014 19:57:26 GMT
Okay I best make a serious list, the top 3 cars (for me) are obvious but the after that its a little varied in choice. 1. Zentorno 2. Turismo 3. Entity XF No real testing has gone into the Entity to see weather it'll be faster than the Turismo (or Zentorno, but I doubt it'll beat that) so at this moment in time I'll leave it in third. Now it gets a little hard for me to make a decision. Having looked at broughy's stock testing most super cars beat sports cars (Voltic upwards), however a couple of sports cars including the Feltzer and 9F get a significant boost from the spoiler update so it makes it difficult. 4. Cheetah 5. Elegy RH8 6. 9F 7. Adder 8. Infernus 9. Feltzer 10. Massacro I included the Adder because in the stock testing it got 2nd out of the Supers, roughly what the Gauntlet got in muscle, and having seen the Gauntlet loose a couple of spots for not having a spoiler I thought the Adder would go down a couple of spots but not enough to knock it off the top ten. 9f ahead of the feltzer and massacro? I personally think its better than the Feltzer, and I think that the Feltzer will be faster around CCGP that the Massacro. Its just a rough guess though. I have raced both Feltzer and 9F and prefer the 9F.
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Post by Lupaciađź’• on Nov 3, 2014 19:58:10 GMT
Don't the Vacca and Voltic have spoilers? Yes they do.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 20:10:29 GMT
9f ahead of the feltzer and massacro? I personally think its better than the Feltzer, and I think that the Feltzer will be faster around CCGP that the Massacro. Its just a rough guess though. I have raced both Feltzer and 9F and prefer the 9F. The 9fs good,definitely good enough for a good driver to be able to use competitively but I've always found it to be a bit slower than the feltzer/massacro and less consistent.I wouldn't be surprised if it made the top10 but I can't see it beating the feltzer or massacro.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 20:14:21 GMT
Don't the Vacca and Voltic have spoilers? The Vacca and voltic aren't that fast tbh.The voltic can't get full upgrades as it is electric and the vacca is slower than a lot of sports cars and has poor acceleration
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Post by James_N9699 on Nov 3, 2014 20:24:26 GMT
Don't the Vacca and Voltic have spoilers? they do but The Voltic doesn't get all the upgrades (I think transmission and or turbo are absent) and the Vacca's acceleration and handling aren't impressive (in comparison).
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Post by Trowa on Nov 3, 2014 21:17:22 GMT
Don't the Vacca and Voltic have spoilers? they do but The Voltic doesn't get all the upgrades (I think transmission and or turbo are absent) and the Vacca's acceleration and handling aren't impressive (in comparison). Correct. Thats essentially what I told him already. The only supers without a spoiler are the bullet and adder I believe.
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Post by Trowa on Nov 3, 2014 21:30:19 GMT
9f ahead of the feltzer and massacro? I personally think its better than the Feltzer, and I think that the Feltzer will be faster around CCGP that the Massacro. Its just a rough guess though. I have raced both Feltzer and 9F and prefer the 9F. Having owned the top 5 sports for a while now Ill say this. The elegy is in a class of its own obviously, Feltzer and Massacro are pretty much the same tier Feltzer is slightly better in corners with a tendency to oversteer and the Massacro is slightly better on straights and tends to understeer. Then just a tier down I put the jester and 9F and its really the same story. Jester tends to understeer more and 9F has a bit more oversteer. So if I was ranking just sports Id say 1.elegy 2T.Massacro/Feltzer (track dependent) 4T. 9F/Jester (track dependent) Any of these top 5 can compete though. Its all about the tracks. You have got to know the cars you own, the tracks you race on and the people you are racing. No matter what Broughy1322's results are Ill still be using all 5 of those cars depending on the tracks and the people I race.
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Post by tammerlain on Nov 4, 2014 1:59:32 GMT
Regarding the 9F
I put the spoiler on one yesterday and the traction bar at LSC did not increase? Is it a non functional spoiler (as in it does not provide any traction increase?
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Post by Ser Tandur on Nov 4, 2014 2:08:16 GMT
Regarding the 9F I put the spoiler on one yesterday and the traction bar at LSC did not increase? Is it a non functional spoiler (as in it does not provide any traction increase? There's a (visual) glitch with that. On cars with more than one spoiler, you won't see the increase till you view the second available spoiler. You can verify this more by going the opposite direction (up instead of down) and viewing the "best" spoiler first, the traction bar still won't move till you highlight a second spoiler. Re-highlighting the first or last spoiler that wasn't showing the increase will now display the traction upgrade.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Nov 4, 2014 6:57:59 GMT
Ok, going to change my Top 10. Forgot about the Adder not having a spoiler available and the electric cars not having the transmission upgrade. After seeing what happened to the Surge and Gauntlet, decided should take those into account. Also going to drop the Entity, don't know what I was thinking, CC+ gives more chances for the raw power of the Zentorno to flex itself. - Zentorno
- Entity XF
- Turismo R
- Cheetah
- Infernus
- Massacro
- Elegy
- Vacca
- Jester
- Feltzer
I have the Elegy down because of the track layout. I have the Vacca still in there because of the specs for the car. Since I don't know the formula for the acceleration in GTA, I am just making an assumption that the Vacca is on par with the Jester in terms of acceleration. They have the same drive force; the Jester has less inertia and a higher potential top speed, but the Vacca has less weight and drag, and a MUCH higher clutch value (which I'm guessing is the speed at which it shifts? I read about it being a speed multiplier, not sure how that works then if true). The top speed isn't as important on this track, so it's about acceleration. Is the inertia enough to give the Jester better acceleration? Maybe.
What I am pretty sure on is the Vacca has superior grip compared to all the sports cars except the Elegy, and if I recall correctly, Broughy said spoilers are a percentage increase. IE, the more grip you had to begin with, the more it adds. So the spoilers extend the gap in traction.
But like I said before, the cars in the bottom 5 are likely seperated by tenths of a second, so it's just a wild guess based on the stock testing, what the new track brings, and what performance parts bring. Right now, my guess is a spoiler increases performance by about 2-3%. Lack of a transmission seemed to cost the Surge and Dilettante 1-2%.
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Post by fachuro on Nov 4, 2014 10:37:40 GMT
Ok, going to change my Top 10. Forgot about the Adder not having a spoiler available and the electric cars not having the transmission upgrade. After seeing what happened to the Surge and Gauntlet, decided should take those into account. Also going to drop the Entity, don't know what I was thinking, CC+ gives more chances for the raw power of the Zentorno to flex itself. - Zentorno
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- Cheetah
- Infernus
- Massacro
- Elegy
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- Jester
- Feltzer
I have the Elegy down because of the track layout. I have the Vacca still in there because of the specs for the car. Since I don't know the formula for the acceleration in GTA, I am just making an assumption that the Vacca is on par with the Jester in terms of acceleration. They have the same drive force; the Jester has less inertia and a higher potential top speed, but the Vacca has less weight and drag, and a MUCH higher clutch value (which I'm guessing is the speed at which it shifts? I read about it being a speed multiplier, not sure how that works then if true). The top speed isn't as important on this track, so it's about acceleration. Is the inertia enough to give the Jester better acceleration? Maybe.
What I am pretty sure on is the Vacca has superior grip compared to all the sports cars except the Elegy, and if I recall correctly, Broughy said spoilers are a percentage increase. IE, the more grip you had to begin with, the more it adds. So the spoilers extend the gap in traction.
But like I said before, the cars in the bottom 5 are likely seperated by tenths of a second, so it's just a wild guess based on the stock testing, what the new track brings, and what performance parts bring. Right now, my guess is a spoiler increases performance by about 2-3%. Lack of a transmission seemed to cost the Surge and Dilettante 1-2%. A very important thing the Vacca has going for it to counter a lot of the acceleration/traction issues is size. As many who use the Panto instead of the Rhapsody will be able to tell you, the size of the car has a great deal to say for how you can take a turn. If the car is smaller you can push your inner wheels closer to the side of the road both on entrance and exit of the turn, eventually giving you a wider turn then what you would get with a wider car. And if the car is shorter you will complete the turn earlier then if the car is longer, which is the main issue with the Alpha for example. The Alpha has amazing traction, and can keep up well both speed and acceleration-wise with the top-Tier Sports cars. But it loses a little bit on the car length in turns because it takes a longer time to complete the turn. The Vacca is both shorter and thinner then most of the super cars, which lends it credibility as a car that can carry a lot of speed through corners if driven right, eliminating acceleration/traction differences. The Voltic has the electric acceleration going for it. On a track that as mentioned before, doesn't allow most of the cars to reach full speed, acceleration will matter much more. This would give an electric car an advantage, as it transfers power almost instantly to the driveshaft.
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Post by Broughy1322 on Nov 4, 2014 10:54:55 GMT
Does anybody fancy a little bit of insight into how you're all collectively doing with your lists? I would by no means tell you whether you're right or not, but it might be interesting to see if you're collectively on the right track.
It would probably be a better idea to agree a point where lists can't be changed too btw. The closer we get to the top 10 the easier it will be to figure them out I suspect.
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Post by Trowa on Nov 4, 2014 11:55:27 GMT
Does anybody fancy a little bit of insight into how you're all collectively doing with your lists? I would by no means tell you whether you're right or not, but it might be interesting to see if you're collectively on the right track. It would probably be a better idea to agree a point where lists can't be changed too btw. The closer we get to the top 10 the easier it will be to figure them out I suspect. Experience driving the cars basically for me. I didnt do any cheeky testing or use the old times, not specifically, I used old knowledge but I didnt go back and make a list out of old times or anything. Just my best guess based on what Ive seen the cars do in races and hotlap sessions. Edit: Just to humor you Ill walkthrough the process for you. 1.Zentorno - Obviously the fastest car in the game. Even if your testing showed otherwise which it wont I would still stand firmly behind that based on the 100's of fastest lap records the car owns. 2.Turismo - Personally I believe with the addition of offroad tires (something you refused to put on the car even after I begged you) make it edge out the Entity. The car was marginally worse than the Entity to begin with and receives massive gains by putting them on. More so then any other car in the game imho. Aside from maybe the jester that is. 3.Elegy - The elegy was the second fastest car to begin with just barely slower than the Entity and you didnt even bother pushing it until the Massacro came along. The car had more to give. 4.Entity - This car had more to give too but I just really like the Elegy's chances here. It will be close no matter what. 5.Cheetah - Next fastest super after the Entity and I dont see it getting beat by a sports car not named the Elegy. 6.Feltzer - Feltzer and Massacro are not far off from the Elegy so I cant see them not making the top 10. Feltzer gets the edge because of the quantity of turns and lack of straights. 7.Massacro - Same story here the Massacro just isnt quite as good as a Feltzer in corners. This track was not designed with the beautiful Massacros best interests at heart. 8.Jester - Repeat of the last 2 except these 2 cars are just a bit slower than the previous 2. Good cornering here. 9.9F - sketchy cornering at best here. The catch is on a clean lap it can compete. You just wont see many of those. This is one of the cars you put a disclaimer on in the video saying "yeah its fast but it will bite you in the ass the second you break concentration or make a mistake" 10.Adder - Pretty much only put this here out of pity. To be perfectly honest I 100% believe the Infernus will edge out the Adder. I really just felt sorry for the Bugatti Veyron.
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Post by axdsilva on Nov 4, 2014 13:22:20 GMT
Such a massive mix of supers and sports, I guess this shows how good the super-sport class is in NoDos eyes.
It's quite fun just lloking over them all what people think the top ten will be.
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Post by double_s92 on Nov 4, 2014 14:13:08 GMT
Does anybody fancy a little bit of insight into how you're all collectively doing with your lists? I would by no means tell you whether you're right or not, but it might be interesting to see if you're collectively on the right track. It would probably be a better idea to agree a point where lists can't be changed too btw. The closer we get to the top 10 the easier it will be to figure them out I suspect. Tbh I think my guess is by far the most accurate, don't even need your video
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