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Post by ♛ZeNzI23 on Nov 2, 2014 0:18:36 GMT
How is it fair that the same people almost always start on the last row every race, every playlist, every event.. If there would be 3 equally fast racers in a 10 player race. The 2 fastest start in 1st and 2nd every race in the playlist, the 3rd one starts always in last position. When this racer has finally passed all the other racers he can't compete anymore for the top spot. Because these 3 racers are on the same pace, the 2 first row starters already have a huge lead by the time he finally passed everybody. If the host happens to be on of the better racers on contend created tracks than this person is almost always the winner or top 3. Imo this isn't fair if it happens every race, than these people in last position always get a disadvantage. In an endurance race you got enough time and laps to catch up, although it would be very hard. But in a 10 min race every second counts so starting every race in the playlist with a disadvantage isn't fair/equal. But in regular events it would make things a lot more competitive. I'm not talking about random playlists. So I've come up with an idea that would make it a lot better and equal for everybody. This way everybody gets the chance to start on the same place. It only takes 30 sec tops in the race, and agree on a time. Shifting Grid:Example6 racers in a 3 race playlist. Race 11st Row | 2nd Row | 3rd Row | A | C | E | B | D | F |
The first race starts as normal. Race 21st Row | 2nd Row | 3rd Row | C | E | A | D | F | B |
This race, nobody moves except for the 1st and 2nd racer. They just move to the back and close the row. Race 31st Row | 2nd Row | 3rd Row | E | A | C | F | B | D |
This race, the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th racer move to the back and close the row. This way every racer has started on the same position without losing a lot of time, with a simple, easy to coordinate solution. Which would make it more fair/equal for every racer and than there will be a true winner. Thoughts ?
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MrMister
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Post by MrMister on Nov 2, 2014 0:22:22 GMT
I like the idea and know what you mean, I have been in that last position aswell.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Nov 2, 2014 2:22:12 GMT
It is entirely possible that the grid positions are determined by the hidden skill rating that GTA uses. I tend to notice I get stuck in the back of random lobbies.
But at the same time I've been put in pole position when not hosting. So like most things in GTA, there probably was a plan, then got screwed over by the billion other things they tried to make work as well.
Overall, shifting grids is a good idea for events where a starting grid will be organized. Certainly a lot faster than qualifications.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 2:34:57 GMT
It's a good idea, and again I completely understand (and absolutely understood it during the event it was suggested) - but in practice, especially with 16 players in an event, is as difficult as getting a nice picture of everyone's cars lined up for a nice photo.
I'd like to be proven wrong though.
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Post by SakiBomb on Nov 2, 2014 2:46:07 GMT
Great idea, then we'd be able to have Qualifier sessions
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Post by ♛ZeNzI23 on Nov 2, 2014 2:51:35 GMT
It's a good idea, and again I completely understand (and absolutely understood it during the event it was suggested) - but in practice, especially with 16 players in an event, is as difficult as getting a nice picture of everyone's cars lined up for a nice photo. I'd like to be proven wrong though. It's pretty easy, just a few people need to move the others wait 30 sec. Everybody will know what to do before the event, so there won't be any hassle. It's only when some people think it's funny to not listen, is where it goes wrong. Btw the 2nd race we tried it, the shifting positions worked perfectly, only a few missed the time when to start. This wouldn't be a problem if there is a standard time to start. But at the same time I've been put in pole position when not hosting. So like most things in GTA, there probably was a plan, then got screwed over by the billion other things they tried to make work as well. That were probably R* created tracks, only then the grid positions change. In a playlist where it are all created tracks, the grid will stay the same as the first race.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Nov 2, 2014 3:02:18 GMT
It's a good idea, and again I completely understand (and absolutely understood it during the event it was suggested) - but in practice, especially with 16 players in an event, is as difficult as getting a nice picture of everyone's cars lined up for a nice photo. I'd like to be proven wrong though. It's pretty easy, just a few people need to move the others wait 30 sec. Everybody will know what to do before the event, so there won't be any hassle. It's only when some people think it's funny to not listen, is where it goes wrong. Btw the 2nd race we tried it, the shifting positions worked perfectly, only a few missed the time when to start. This wouldn't be a problem if there is a standard time to start. Oh, start at a time in the race clock? Interesting. First lap is pointless anyhow for hotlapping. And this takes care of having to do a GTA Race that someone will probably ruin. (trolls trolls trolls) I like this idea!
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Post by Trowa on Nov 2, 2014 3:06:20 GMT
It's a good idea, and again I completely understand (and absolutely understood it during the event it was suggested) - but in practice, especially with 16 players in an event, is as difficult as getting a nice picture of everyone's cars lined up for a nice photo. I'd like to be proven wrong though. It's pretty easy, just a few people need to move the others wait 30 sec. Everybody will know what to do before the event, so there won't be any hassle. It's only when some people think it's funny to not listen, is where it goes wrong. Btw the 2nd race we tried it, the shifting positions worked perfectly, only a few missed the time when to start. This wouldn't be a problem if there is a standard time to start. But at the same time I've been put in pole position when not hosting. So like most things in GTA, there probably was a plan, then got screwed over by the billion other things they tried to make work as well. That were probably R* created tracks, only then the grid positions change. In a playlist where it are all created tracks, the grid will stay the same as the first race. and R* verified.
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Post by The_Bad_Loser on Nov 2, 2014 3:27:32 GMT
I thought the experiment today was interesting, and the second race proved it could be done in a reasonable amount of time. My only concerns are actually getting started and communication. I like the idea of a set time to start, but even with everyone on the honor system staggered starts are going to happen. Further, if someone is in the race but not in the Skype chat that could present a problem. On the second race I tried to relay via headset the starting time, but I don't know if that helped anyone.
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Post by ChrisDE22 on Nov 2, 2014 8:56:00 GMT
This method really has both pros and cons. The posititive is that its more fair for everyone. What worries me though is 1 thing. Its jumpstarting and I am not talking about beeing a troll and starting 5 secs be4 the race start. Someone could leave 0.3 secs earlier (by mistake or on purpose) and that means he could gain at least 2 places be4 reaching the first corner. The whole thing is not prescise enough and everyone can easily cheat and start just a bit earlier to get that advantage at the start. Please dont tell me that it wont happen because we all know it will.
As I said earlier this method has both pros and cons and I am in a bit of a dillema, I have no problem whatever you guys choose, it wont affect which events I will be joining.
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Post by ♛ZeNzI23 on Nov 2, 2014 10:03:25 GMT
What worries me though is 1 thing. Its jumpstarting and I am not talking about beeing a troll and starting 5 secs be4 the race start. Someone could leave 0.3 secs earlier (by mistake or on purpose) and that means he could gain at least 2 places be4 reaching the first corner. Well, it's an agreement you make. Like the agreement we made to not use curbs anymore, or when you accidentally hit someone bc of lag that you need to wait. There will always be people that try to cheat, so it's just trust. It would be sad to try cheating this way imo. But like in the f1 championship, it worked very well. We did a start on the racing clock everytime and there weren't any problems.
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Post by Pundip on Nov 4, 2014 11:01:04 GMT
It's definitely a viable option and eventually worked well in the F1 championship. It just took a while to organise at first with 5+ minutes to organise the grid in the first race...and the times when I didn't give enough warning for the start time lol. All part of the learning curve though and if it means a fairer race for everyone then I am certainly up for trying it
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