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Post by D.Shostakovich on Mar 6, 2017 3:18:34 GMT
We could say, with snow tyres, you wont be allowed to use all wheel drive. I might test both setups on some tracks later. And if we allow snow tires, then it's not gonna be a D class race, because snow tires send F-100 straight into mid C class |
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Post by D.Shostakovich on Mar 6, 2017 6:05:29 GMT
LeStevsDrifts (@steev) I tried both setups. Tested on Summit Challenge Scramble. Snow tires with stock engineDid nothing to tires and rims except for upgrading snow tires. Didn't change body part (spoilers and what not). Maxed transmission. Maxed brake, anti-roll bar, off-road suspension, no chassis/roll cage, no weight reduction. Equipped twin turbo. Race flywheel, sport engine block, street camshaft. Got a lap time of 1:50.855 Stock tires with V12 engineMaxed tire width. Used the lightest rim. Equipped front and rear spoilers with a tire on the side (these are visual stuffs so easy to tell). Maxed transmission. Maxed brake, anti-roll bar, off-road suspension, full roll cage, full weight reduction. Equipped twin turbo. Maxed engine parts. Got a lap time of 1:47.610 (flagged, which means with collision) ConclusionI shared both setups, so you can download and try them yourself. I'm not the best tuner, neither am I the best drifter, so my lap times really aren't that convincing. If we just take them as a reference, I gotta say they are quite balanced on this track, which I was pretty surprised. However, I need to point out that my lap time with the stock tire V12 setup was based off constantly hitting the barriers. I didn't manage to finish a lap without crashing, and I would imagine if I did, the lap time would be pretty bad anyway. This means if we do some cross country races, where there aren't many barriers, this setup will probably have trouble. Now the first setup is extremely stable, and I gotta say there's almost no skill required to set a decent lap time. It will be crushed by the V12 setup on any straight line, but can easily catch up whenever there's a corner without barriers. At this point, I don't think it's a matter of build battles anymore, because they are totally different setups and not comparable whatsoever. I personally prefer driving the V12 setup, because it's so hard to control and simply much more fun. But I don't think exploiting wall boosts is a good thing, because it takes away the point of having this awful setup, which is to control the car as much as possible. So maybe I shall avoid tracks where people can get wall boosts, if we do go with this setup. However, I still prefer John's setup because there'are still some challenges driving it, as it likes sliding sideways all the time, while it is not as insane as the V12 setup.
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Post by LeStevsDrifts (@steev) on Mar 6, 2017 7:28:46 GMT
LeStevsDrifts (@steev) I tried both setups. Tested on Summit Challenge Scramble. Snow tires with stock engineDid nothing to tires and rims except for upgrading snow tires. Didn't change body part (spoilers and what not). Maxed transmission. Maxed brake, anti-roll bar, off-road suspension, no chassis/roll cage, no weight reduction. Equipped twin turbo. Race flywheel, sport engine block, street camshaft. Got a lap time of 1:50.855 Stock tires with V12 engineMaxed tire width. Used the lightest rim. Equipped front and rear spoilers with a tire on the side (these are visual stuffs so easy to tell). Maxed transmission. Maxed brake, anti-roll bar, off-road suspension, full roll cage, full weight reduction. Equipped twin turbo. Maxed engine parts. Got a lap time of 1:47.610 (flagged, which means with collision) ConclusionI shared both setups, so you can download and try them yourself. I'm not the best tuner, neither am I the best drifter, so my lap times really aren't that convincing. If we just take them as a reference, I gotta say they are quite balanced on this track, which I was pretty surprised. However, I need to point out that my lap time with the stock tire V12 setup was based off constantly hitting the barriers. I didn't manage to finish a lap without crashing, and I would imagine if I did, the lap time would be pretty bad anyway. This means if we do some cross country races, where there aren't many barriers, this setup will probably have trouble. Now the first setup is extremely stable, and I gotta say there's almost no skill required to set a decent lap time. It will be crushed by the V12 setup on any straight line, but can easily catch up whenever there's a corner without barriers. At this point, I don't think it's a matter of build battles anymore, because they are totally different setups and not comparable whatsoever. I personally prefer driving the V12 setup, because it's so hard to control and simply much more fun. But I don't think exploiting wall boosts is a good thing, because it takes away the point of having this awful setup, which is to control the car as much as possible. So maybe I shall avoid tracks where people can get wall boosts, if we do go with this setup. However, I still prefer John's setup because there'are still some challenges driving it, as it likes sliding sideways all the time, while it is not as insane as the V12 setup. Did you actually go awd with the V12 setup? I'd go for the V8 personally and maybe street tires. |
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Post by Teurastaja on Mar 6, 2017 9:32:09 GMT
What about doing some races in stock or almost stock cars? In both cases people can still tune their cars but tuning is very minimal, like you could put heavier wheels and that way maybe add a better clutch and maybe some suspension parts.
I haven't tested myself, but I'm pretty sure you can't do much to a car and still keep it in original power number (I'm not sure what it's called but you know the number after class).
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Post by D.Shostakovich on Mar 6, 2017 10:26:07 GMT
What about doing some races in stock or almost stock cars? In both cases people can still tune their cars but tuning is very minimal, like you could put heavier wheels and that way maybe add a better clutch and maybe some suspension parts. I haven't tested myself, but I'm pretty sure you can't do much to a car and still keep it in original power number (I'm not sure what it's called but you know the number after class). I believe the most common name for those numbers is Performance Index (PI). And no, not much you can do to a car if you want to keep its original PI. Usually just a flywheel upgrade will be maximum. Differential never changes PI though. Anti-roll bars barely change it as well. Now you have a good point. We can totally do some stock car races, especially for some very well tuned stock cars, like BAC Mono. I was thinking about that as well. But it looks like if I put a specific PI cap like what I'm doing now, maybe I AM indicating that it's not just a race about skills, but about tuning as well. But still, we need to realize that not everyone is a good tuner. If I do remove all tuning restrictions, then I need to provide some recommended tunes for anyone who does not want to tune their car. Preferably someone who is good at tuning, and is participating in an event can share their setup for that particular event. I cannot guarantee that happens every time though. This is why I'm sticking to the current plan, which is to allow some degree of freedom so that even if you are not a very good tuner, the performance difference won't be too significant. This is a controversy now. I need to put into some thoughts. Thanks for your input! |
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Post by D.Shostakovich on Mar 6, 2017 10:42:25 GMT
{Spoiler} LeStevsDrifts (@steev) I tried both setups. Tested on Summit Challenge Scramble. Snow tires with stock engineDid nothing to tires and rims except for upgrading snow tires. Didn't change body part (spoilers and what not). Maxed transmission. Maxed brake, anti-roll bar, off-road suspension, no chassis/roll cage, no weight reduction. Equipped twin turbo. Race flywheel, sport engine block, street camshaft. Got a lap time of 1:50.855 Stock tires with V12 engineMaxed tire width. Used the lightest rim. Equipped front and rear spoilers with a tire on the side (these are visual stuffs so easy to tell). Maxed transmission. Maxed brake, anti-roll bar, off-road suspension, full roll cage, full weight reduction. Equipped twin turbo. Maxed engine parts. Got a lap time of 1:47.610 (flagged, which means with collision) ConclusionI shared both setups, so you can download and try them yourself. I'm not the best tuner, neither am I the best drifter, so my lap times really aren't that convincing. If we just take them as a reference, I gotta say they are quite balanced on this track, which I was pretty surprised. However, I need to point out that my lap time with the stock tire V12 setup was based off constantly hitting the barriers. I didn't manage to finish a lap without crashing, and I would imagine if I did, the lap time would be pretty bad anyway. This means if we do some cross country races, where there aren't many barriers, this setup will probably have trouble. Now the first setup is extremely stable, and I gotta say there's almost no skill required to set a decent lap time. It will be crushed by the V12 setup on any straight line, but can easily catch up whenever there's a corner without barriers. At this point, I don't think it's a matter of build battles anymore, because they are totally different setups and not comparable whatsoever. I personally prefer driving the V12 setup, because it's so hard to control and simply much more fun. But I don't think exploiting wall boosts is a good thing, because it takes away the point of having this awful setup, which is to control the car as much as possible. So maybe I shall avoid tracks where people can get wall boosts, if we do go with this setup. However, I still prefer John's setup because there'are still some challenges driving it, as it likes sliding sideways all the time, while it is not as insane as the V12 setup. Did you actually go awd with the V12 setup? I'd go for the V8 personally and maybe street tires. LOL I did that because I thought it would be ridiculous. You can't do engine swap with any other tires, as they will send the car into B class. I tried stock engine with street tires and RWD, and it turned out to be about the same level as John's setup. It's a little trickier as RWD, but not as hard to brake. So I guess we might as well just stick to John's setup... Edit: TBH this setup is really like Slamvan in GTA, except that it is AWD. It just has no brake! |
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Post by Teurastaja on Mar 6, 2017 10:45:17 GMT
I'm not really a tuner myself, I usually use someone elses tunes, mostly Raceboy77. If I'm creating a tune myself I use this online calculator and do some slight changes or use it as is. I really hate to use someone elses tune sometimes thought, as it might use wheels or bodykit I don't like. They should make it so that all wheels weight is same and aerokits are invisible so you can use what ever spoiler and bumpers you want even if you use pre made tunes. |
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Post by D.Shostakovich on Mar 6, 2017 10:57:42 GMT
I'm not really a tuner myself, I usually use someone elses tunes, mostly Raceboy77. If I'm creating a tune myself I use this online calculator and do some slight changes or use it as is. I really hate to use someone elses tune sometimes thought, as it might use wheels or bodykit I don't like. They should make it so that all wheels weight is same and aerokits are invisible so you can use what ever spoiler and bumpers you want even if you use pre made tunes. Pretty much the same story for me. I always tune by myself simply because I want full control of what I want and what I don't. Don Joewon Song has some decent tunes, and you can check out his setup details for some cars on his YouTube channel. I don't know about the other guys though... |
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Post by Johneboy82 on Mar 6, 2017 12:43:09 GMT
So took on what you guys been talking about and I tested some cars out in the snow. Done 1 lap on the Kingmaker to determine what cars would be good. I first tested the F-100 and it was quite fun. I also had a Class D Ford RS1800 there which I took around. Must admit I enjoyed the RS1800 more.
The specs of this car is Class D, Stock Engine, No Turbo upgrade, AWD converted and Stock Tires, Engine, Transmission, etc where upgraded. The tune is online if anybody would like a blast in it. Here is some short clips i put together of it going around the course.
Also just want to see if anyone is up for testing out a few cars today/tonight?
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Post by LeStevsDrifts (@steev) on Mar 6, 2017 13:44:33 GMT
I'm not really a tuner myself, I usually use someone elses tunes, mostly Raceboy77. If I'm creating a tune myself I use this online calculator and do some slight changes or use it as is. I really hate to use someone elses tune sometimes thought, as it might use wheels or bodykit I don't like. They should make it so that all wheels weight is same and aerokits are invisible so you can use what ever spoiler and bumpers you want even if you use pre made tunes. Things just that certain aero kits allow downforce management, like the aftermarket diffs do. |
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Post by D.Shostakovich on Mar 6, 2017 18:09:28 GMT
So took on what you guys been talking about and I tested some cars out in the snow. Done 1 lap on the Kingmaker to determine what cars would be good. I first tested the F-100 and it was quite fun. I also had a Class D Ford RS1800 there which I took around. Must admit I enjoyed the RS1800 more. The specs of this car is Class D, Stock Engine, No Turbo upgrade, AWD converted and Stock Tires, Engine, Transmission, etc where upgraded. The tune is online if anybody would like a blast in it. Here is some short clips i put together of it going around the course. Also just want to see if anyone is up for testing out a few cars today/tonight? I would like to, but I'm probably quite busy this week, and I need to put all spare time into practicing for the GTA event this weekend that I'm participating :( |
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Post by D.Shostakovich on Mar 6, 2017 20:37:35 GMT
After some thoughts last night (I know it was day time in Europe), I've decided that except for drivetrain restrictions, no other restriction will be put on a S1, S2 or X class car. I'm still not sure about lower classes yet, but I will try a lower class event without restrictions and see how it goes. My thought process is that even though you can have some nice build battles in random lobbies if you luckily get into one without rammers, the point of having these events is also about appreciating some underpowered cars, or cars that are difficult to drive. At least now we can try our hands on getting a good build on some of these cars that need appreciation. I still think it's necessary to restrict drivetrain because it doesn't really determine if a build is good or not, but affects more when people actually drive the car: when collision happens, RWD will be put into disadvantage because they are generally more difficult to control. Maybe I can put restrictions on only RWD and FWD events, while allowing people to use RWD when it's an AWD event. LeStevsDrifts (@steev) Teurastaja |
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Post by LeStevsDrifts (@steev) on Mar 6, 2017 21:15:17 GMT
Sounds fine. One thing I'll say about awd though, is that it's pretty annoying in tight corners, even worse with fwd.
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Post by D.Shostakovich on Mar 6, 2017 22:31:00 GMT
Sounds fine. One thing I'll say about awd though, is that it's pretty annoying in tight corners, even worse with fwd. Yeah in that case you just have to brake early, but I'm gonna avoid AWD if it's terrible on some cars. So it shouldn't be a problem. |
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Post by LeStevsDrifts (@steev) on Mar 7, 2017 6:01:39 GMT
Sounds fine. One thing I'll say about awd though, is that it's pretty annoying in tight corners, even worse with fwd. Yeah in that case you just have to brake early, but I'm gonna avoid AWD if it's terrible on some cars. So it shouldn't be a problem. true |
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