/!\ OpenIV software discontinued - End of GTA V modding?

First of all, one trainer is down. at the time of writing one was down, now most of the major ones are

Second of all, citing a DatSaintsFan video as a source is worse than citing no source at all

Finally, modding online will never be over. It may go down but it'll never be completely gone

Did they only address the paid versions as some people were suspecting or have they expanded it to cheating tools in general?

Can someone confirm this post from a guy on the KSP Forums:

That's the thing... the "cracking" WAS DONE LEGALLY... That's the whole point of clean reverse engineering. A license and law are not one and the same. It's not illegal to reverse engineer something. It might be against the license to do so. That's where a clean reverse engineering effort comes into the picture. One team reverse engineers the game. Sure that violates the license, but no code is created. Since they created no code, there's no software in violation of the license. All they do is document the overall operations of the code... Not actual code, just what the code does. The second team takes that documentation and then writes NEW and ORIGINAL code, having never, ever actually seen the original GTA code before. By following the behavior documentation, they create an original LEGAL work that just so happens to be (mostly) compatible with the targeted software, and they have never looked at the target software's code. This is how reverse engineering works.

Reverse engineering is legal!

Even the team that created OpenIV said it themselves... They could have taken this to court to prove their case against Take-Two, and probably could have even won the case under fair use... They documented their reverse engineering process, and could prove in a court that their software was legit reverse engineered, and is not a derivative of licensed code, thus immune from Take_Two's C&D. They could have done that... IF they had the time and money to do it, and were willing to deal with the abysmal stress of it. Unfortunately, it's not worth the hell that the would go through by going to court against a giant company for them to fight it.

They didn't give up cause they were wrong.

They didn't give up because their software is illegal (it is NOT illegal)

They gave up, cause fighting is hard, expensive, time consuming, and stressful.

Take-Two are a bunch of two-faced liars when they claim OpenIV is illegal. They. Are. Lying. To. You! Their EULA is not law, and reverse engineering is legal.

Don't be sheeple, people!

As to the claim that going after the modding tool "makes sense"... Look at GTA V's rating on Steam right now... Take-Two vilified themselves. They WILL lose customers over this. People will stop buying Shark Cards over this... They won't lose everyone, no... But they lost a great deal of respect, and exchanged it with utter hatred and contempt. There are safe harbor laws... You don't go after an ISP for hosting a piracy website... You take down the website. Going after OpenIV is like going after the ISP cause there's a piracy site on it. What Take-Two did was morally bankrupt. It will hurt them in the long run, if they fail to fix this. OpenIV was never the problem. Taking down OpenIV didn't stop the online MP hacking (cause it has nothing to do with the online MP hacking), and they killed their own SP community because they are greedy $#!+$ that WANT Single Player to die down, and force people onto the more financially lucrative Multiplayer online mode, to be microtransactioned to death.

You don't go after the ISP cause there's a piracy website hosted by it. You go after the site, not the ISP.

You don't go after the modding tool, when a handful of mods enables monetized content. You go after the mods, not the tool.

As long as Rockstar uses Take-Two as a publisher, Rockstar will never see another purchase from me again. I won't be paying jack$#!+ for any KSP DLC either. I REFUSE to support Take-Two in any way. They can burn for all I care.

Never knew they could demand suchs a thing...

Well, I think the point it actually that players need to recognise the FOMO/entitlement mentality aspect, and stop dancing to R*'s tune. Yes, the cars are drip fed to maximise SharkCard sales; those same SharkCards demonstrably pay for updates like this one. Don't just take my word for it, read T2's annual report.

If, in the real world, people shopped like they do in GTA we'd have stupid levels of debt... oh. Well. If they shopped for cars the way they do IRL then my god the angst around model changes would be profound.

"I bought the Mk VI Golf R! They just released the Mk 8! This is bullshit!"
"Well, did you research first? Ask them? Test drive? Compare and contrast?"
"Erm. No..."

The drip feeds are not new - see also T20 and Osiris.

The shark card economy is not new.

R* were clear that modding would be a SP experience only so their intolerance of MP modding in general (script injections or not) is not new.

Basically, this boils down to expectations wildly out of alignment with reality not being met, and instead of being adjusted they are used as the basis of complaints.

     

I used to disagree with you on this ender but my opinion has changed. Simply put, don't like it, don't but it. Tell others not to buy it, but provide the opportunity for others to break the law, and then you're in torrent website territory.

Sure it's not technically your fault, but you provided the means to allow others to do it and did nothing to stop it. It's like selling a gun to someone and not doing a background check of any sort.

Now the other point is that OpenIV only affects single player, which doesn't hurt their sales. Well in a small way it can. You can use it to test vehicles before MP release before deciding if you want it. That's why they don't release new vehicles there any more, they don't want people to know how good they are before purchasing.

Yes it's a dirty tactic, but they're entitled to do it. I reiterate, if you don't like it, don't buy it.

With all due respect, but this analogy is so way off, that it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
This comparison would only make sense if all cars were to be sold by the government and the government would also be controlling the FIA and thus setting the rules and conditions under which every single racing car event would take place.

Otherwise I agree: inform yourself, be patient and vote with your wallet.