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Post by Hystery on Jun 14, 2017 20:25:00 GMT
For those who might not know what OpenIV is, it was a software developed by a bunch of people like you and me that allowed, first to mod GTA IV in literally every way as it made every file in the game accessible, and then GTA V. For example, all the real life cars mods you could find on GTA IV and GTA V are installed in your game with OpenIV. Same with planes, peds, everything. On June 5th, Take Two Interactive (company owner of Rockstar Games) has ordered OpenIV to be permanently discontinued. With the end of OpenIV, modding GTA V (in story mode) will become impossible. I insist on the story mode part. GTA games on PC always had the longest lifespan due to the possibility for PC players to mod their games however they wanted and have fun in many different ways. It'll be now impossible, because Take Two decided so. It's a real dick move in my opinion. Discussion going on there: gtaforums.com/topic/889348-take-two-vs-modding/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 21:00:04 GMT
This is really bad. And like you said, this is a really dick move. The mods in single player weren't harming anyone, it's a fucking video game, video games are meant to be fun, it's like they're trying to take all of the fun out the game . I really hope they turn around on this, because this is goddamn ridiculous.
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Post by Theign on Jun 14, 2017 21:11:42 GMT
I will take a wild stab in the dark that this is an unfortunate legal necessity for Take Two to go after the douchbags who maliciously hack in Online.
Don't blame Take Two. If their intention was to go after Mods in single player they would not have waited years to do so. More likely they have just come to the unfortunate conclusion that they are not going to be able to make anti cheat scripts good enough to stop online modding, and so they are going to have to go after the developers/users of the moding software themselves. You cant leave loopholes like "oh we made the software for moding the single player its not our fault if people use it in Multiplayer" because, lets face it, 90% of judges wouldn't have a clue what the difference even was.
If you want someone to blame because you cant mod the single player, blame the dickwads who run around in multiplayer fucking people over.
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Post by Hystery on Jun 14, 2017 21:15:09 GMT
I will take a wild stab in the dark that this is an unfortunate legal necessity for Take Two to go after the douchbags who maliciously hack in Online. People modding online aren't using OpenIV at any point though. They use trainers with injectors. OpenIV truly was solely for single player mode, to change cars, peds, textures and various other data. And I'm 99.9% sure Take Two is perfectly aware of this. So I think I'll still blame Take Two for that dick move. If they truly wanted to get rid of modders online, they'd sue the ones creating the trainers, and enhance their game codes.
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Post by Theign on Jun 14, 2017 21:21:02 GMT
My point was, this is a legal thing. Take Two cant go after some people who mod GTA and not others, because that would leave legal loopholes, or enough confusion for a Judge who does not understand how games or mods work (and lets face it thats almost all of them) to screw them.
If you go after ONLY the online mods, then there is a good chance they will be able to weesle their way out of it. If you go after all Mods it leaves no room.
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Post by Blade died for our sins on Jun 14, 2017 22:33:46 GMT
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Post by piguy3141 on Jun 15, 2017 1:34:06 GMT
Worse yet, I don't think there's any possible way to open handling files after this is being forced to shut down, meaning we probably can't access the files unless there is some other option (which I am unaware of)
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Post by EDDI2142 on Jun 15, 2017 6:02:08 GMT
Worse yet, I don't think there's any possible way to open handling files after this is being forced to shut down, meaning we probably can't access the files unless there is some other option (which I am unaware of) I don't know a lot about the modding in GTA. However, what if they do this to prevent the leak of unreleased vehicles, since this will no longer be possible either?
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Post by Hystery on Jun 15, 2017 8:10:14 GMT
My point was, this is a legal thing. Take Two cant go after some people who mod GTA and not others, because that would leave legal loopholes, or enough confusion for a Judge who does not understand how games or mods work (and lets face it thats almost all of them) to screw them. If you go after ONLY the online mods, then there is a good chance they will be able to weesle their way out of it. If you go after all Mods it leaves no room. I hear your point mate. But the thing is... Let's be honest, a lot of PC players play on PC for the flexibility of the platform and the possibility to mod almost any game the way they want. For example, I'd have never bought Watch Dogs 1, even if it was on sale, if I didn't see prior to that that there was a graphics mod that made the game look like its E3 trailer rather than the downgraded ugly crap it was. GTA games have been a modding haven for as long as I can remember, and I'm pretty sure that a good part of the GTA V sales on PC were due to the possibility of modding the game. Modding has never been illegal, no matter how much T2 wants it to be, and never will be. People will keep modding the game in story mode because they'll find a way around that, and assholes will keep modding online, simply because well, T2 takes the time to send a cease&desist letter to the OpenIV team, but not to aaaall the trainer and memory editors that are the sole reason the online is so fucked up with modders. I agree, modders online are a plague. They simply are. But by making this dick move, they literally condemned the modding community as a whole. And not only on GTA V. Also a GTA IV. Without OpenIV, no GTA IV modding. I wanted to replay EFLC lately, but with an graphics mod and a couple other modifications to have a better experience, and I won't be able to do that, and it cut my envy to replay that game. Max Payne 3 will also now be unmoddable, OpenIV was used to mod that game as well. And what to say of all the other games edited and published by Take Two? On GTA V, they say modding is illegal, but what about the Civilization games, published by Take Two, that literally have a MODS tab on their main menu? It's illegal to mod the story mode of GTA V, but legal to mod the offline of Civilization V? It doesn't make sense whatsoever. They had plenty of ways to fight online modders. They picked the absolutely worst one.
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Post by Hystery on Jun 15, 2017 8:13:00 GMT
Worse yet, I don't think there's any possible way to open handling files after this is being forced to shut down, meaning we probably can't access the files unless there is some other option (which I am unaware of) I don't know a lot about the modding in GTA. However, what if they do this to prevent the leak of unreleased vehicles, since this will no longer be possible either? So far, people managed to find a way to keep using OpenIV by modifying one of the software's files to prevent it from updating to the last update that shows what is in the OP. So handling files could possibly still be read. As for the leak of unreleased vehicles, if Rockstar wasn't dripfeeding the content like that, people wouldn't have to work around it to see what we can expect. Their fault for having a crappy release model.
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Post by EDDI2142 on Jun 15, 2017 8:58:47 GMT
I don't know a lot about the modding in GTA. However, what if they do this to prevent the leak of unreleased vehicles, since this will no longer be possible either? So far, people managed to find a way to keep using OpenIV by modifying one of the software's files to prevent it from updating to the last update that shows what is in the OP. So handling files could possibly still be read. As for the leak of unreleased vehicles, if Rockstar wasn't dripfeeding the content like that, people wouldn't have to work around it to see what we can expect. Their fault for having a crappy release model. While I do agree that it is a very crappy release model, it is also very smart from a "selling shark cards" POV. Not all players have the insight that we have (or care about what will be released in the next couple of weeks). Hence they just buy everything, without considering the fact that it could be obsolete after just one week...
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Post by EDDI2142 on Jun 15, 2017 9:44:21 GMT
Petition Maybe it will not lead anywhere, maybe it will...
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Post by thedelgadic1 on Jun 15, 2017 14:47:24 GMT
Is it still possible to use open iv if you still have it downloaded or you get the files from a third party?
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Post by Hystery on Jun 15, 2017 15:00:05 GMT
Is it still possible to use open iv if you still have it downloaded or you get the files from a third party? If you click on "Uninstall later" when the window shown in the OP pops up, you should be able to still use OpenIV. You can get rid of the pop up entirely by going to the folder where openiv.exe is and open the core.xml file with a note pad to change the <number>181</number> line to <number>182</number> The thing people fear is for Rockstar to change the way the game is encrypted to prevent OpenIV from being used all together.
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Post by thedelgadic1 on Jun 15, 2017 16:32:34 GMT
I have a theory that it wasent shut down due to online modding. My theory is it had something to do with openiv's upcoming liberty city expansion. If i remember correctly, they needed you to own GTA 4 in order to use the mod due to them needing to extract files from GTA 4. That might be what Take 2 was trying to stop. IDK it's just a theory, what do you guys think.
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