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Post by axdsilva on Oct 3, 2014 1:12:38 GMT
Since this comes up almost every second day in as many threads, I decided to make a thread specifically for us to discuss why 'CAR A' should be in 'CLASS A'
This is for everyone who thinks and Elegy should be Super, a Futo should be Compact, and whatever top car and/bottom car should be removed from the class it is in now into whatever class it should fit into
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You can also discuss sub-classes in this thread, such as how to break up the Super class into GT1 and GT2 or
Sports into: Super-Sport, GT, Street
If you have an opinion on a car and a class this is the thread to talk about it
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Now that it's been established, discuss.
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Common Kick starter:
Move the Voltic to Sports Class
It's got acceleration but not speed, and the cornering is half-half
It might post times that allow it to be competitive with super class, but it really hould be in sports, like its real-life counterparts the Lotus Elise and Tesla Roadster. These are sports cars not super, I'm not sure why Rockstar decided to up it's own variant to Supers other than it got coded to be better than they thought it could be.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Oct 3, 2014 1:27:09 GMT
Well, the thought on my mind right now is that the way Rockstar sees it... Catchup is the be-all, end-all car balancing feature.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Oct 8, 2014 2:10:33 GMT
I want to move this topic in a new direction, which is creating our own classes from within the current classes. For example, split Supers into two classes. The best cars in the first class, the worst, like the Vacca, in the second. Give me your ideas on how to split the classes into groups of competitive cars. This is for potentially running events where car choice is an option, but drivers don't feel limited to the top 2 cars.
My reasoning behind this is GT style events, where you will see lots of different models. In a Super GT race, no one is bringing a Bullet or Vacca, for example. No one is showing up for a GT1 (sedans) race in a Premier.
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Post by The_Bad_Loser on Oct 8, 2014 12:51:08 GMT
I want to move this topic in a new direction, which is creating our own classes from within the current classes. For example, split Supers into two classes. The best cars in the first class, the worst, like the Vacca, in the second. Give me your ideas on how to split the classes into groups of competitive cars. This is for potentially running events where car choice is an option, but drivers don't feel limited to the top 2 cars. My reasoning behind this is GT style events, where you will see lots of different models. In a Super GT race, no one is bringing a Bullet or Vacca, for example. No one is showing up for a GT1 (sedans) race in a Premier. I like that idea. I'll have to give it some thought. Would it be prudent to see Broughy's testing with upgrading all the cars first? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 17:53:50 GMT
Cars shouldn't be classified by how they handle, how quickly or slowly they go, or how expensive they are, they should be classified simply by what they are or what their real life equivalents are. That's it.
For the most part Rockstar have the classifications right but I do think there a few wrong ones, mostly in the sports, muscle, and supercar category:
The Voltic is a sports car like the Tesla Roadster.
The Buffalo and Buffalo S are muscle cars like the Chevy Camaro.
The Comet is a supercar, especially if you fully modify it so it becomes more like a 911 Turbo or GT2.
The Futo is a hatchback like the 1980s Corolla. It's a compact.
The Schwartzer is a coupe, not a sports car.
There's probably some more but these are the ones I immediately thought of.
I've seen many people argue that the Elegy should be moved to Supercars so it can compete properly. NO! Just no. The Elegy may be as fast or faster than some supercars but it's still a sports car. It just so happens to be an extremely quick one. What next? Move the PCJ bike to supercars so it can compete as well?
I've also seen some people saying they should add a hypercar category but that's already a hard to define category as it is, and it will only end up making the already limited supercar category even smaller.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2014 18:00:23 GMT
^ the above post is not indicative of how I feel we should approach cars to use in events however.
For example I'm fine the Elegy in the sports class but I'm also fine with banning it in sports races, or only using it in mixed endurances as GT1.
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Post by Ser Tandur on Oct 8, 2014 18:06:47 GMT
My thoughts, using Broughy's verified laps (stock, I know), for example divide the Sports class either after the Surrano (7 cars in the top class), or after the Rapid GT.
I know the opinions of some, mainly the best drivers in the crew, which is "car selection doesn't matter." That's a load of horseshit, and they know it. Skill matters, it is the most important aspect of racing, but the car matters too. If I race Meh RYAN in a race, and he's got a Massacro and I've got a Coquette... the only chance I have is him making a big mistake. Now flip it. Me in the Massacro, him in the Coquette. I am a bad driver, so I would not be surprised if he beat me in the Coquette. Now give Meh RYAN a Futo, and me the Massacro. I'd really have to bit the big one to lose that race.
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Post by The_Bad_Loser on Oct 8, 2014 19:02:30 GMT
I certainly see the potential in becoming mired in the minutiae of the classifications, but I also see the value in finding competitive vehicles within the established classes. I'd say it's a worthwhile endeavor as long as we maintain some semblance order. Perhaps some sort of thresholds, like Ser Tandur suggested. |
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Post by parksguard on Oct 8, 2014 19:05:50 GMT
Lawn slower goes to supers. That would be a R* move  |
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Post by Ser Tandur on Oct 16, 2014 21:10:59 GMT
Sports reclassified: | Group A | Group B | Group C | Group LOL | | Elegy | Coquette | Fusilade | Penumbra | | Massacro | Carbonizzare | Sultan | Futo | | Feltzer | Alpha | Buffalo | | | Jester | Furore | Schwartzer | | | 9F | Khamelion | | | | Surano | Rapid GT | | | | Comet | Buffalo S | | | | Banshee | | |
There is room for some debate here, of course. I'm willing to bet the placements of the Surano and Comet might be arguable, as well as the Buffalo S and Banshee in Class B.
The Supers class is pretty clear cut. Some debate about the Infernus only.
Group A Zentorno
Entity XF
Turismo R
Adder
Cheetah
Group B Infernus Vacca Bullet Voltic The Sedans class has so many vehicles I feel it could be split 3 ways as well, if not 4. Overall, the point of this idea would be to have events, multi-class possibly, without restrictions on cars brought to the event. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 21:18:59 GMT
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Post by ♛ZeNzI23 on Oct 16, 2014 21:44:39 GMT
Ser Tandur, imo the comet is 2-3 sec off pace IF it is a driver who knows the car and perfected it, otherwise it would be 5-10 sec tbh. Unlike the alpha for example, this car drives itself almost and is still pretty close. There is the diff, I think you need to look at it as a regular racer that would use these cars, if you get my point 
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2014 22:08:55 GMT
Apologies I confused and mixed up Ser Tandur and ♛ZeNzI23 because of similar profile pictures. I'm a big dummy. |
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Post by Ser Tandur on Oct 16, 2014 22:11:05 GMT
Ser Tandur, imo the comet is 2-3 sec off pace IF it is a driver who knows the car and perfected it, otherwise it would be 5-10 sec tbh. Unlike the alpha for example, this car drives itself almost and is still pretty close. There is the diff, I think you need to look at it as a regular racer that would use these cars, if you get my point Some of that is based off of Broughy's stock times, and I tried to give about a 1 sec fudge factor. Obviously different driving styles suit different cars as well, and the track layout matters too. So I also tried to take into account the vehicle game code specs as well. Essentially, when doing something like this, you have to take the humans out of the equation. If I give the AI any car and set it to Impossible difficulty/Perfect driving ability, how do the cars stack up against each other? I get what you're saying though, and it's valid. Just because the potential for a car like the Comet is Top 5, most people can't get it there and it would be better for the Car to be in the lower group so it can be used more. Correct? As for the Alpha, I don't quite get if you mean it should be higher or not. |
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Post by Ser Tandur on Oct 16, 2014 22:13:25 GMT
Apologies I confused and mixed up Ser Tandur and ♛ZeNzI23 because of similar profile pictures. I'm a big dummy. Lol, didn't notice till you pointed it out. Mine is cooler. In game screenshot from Forza 3 of the rear of my beast F355 Challenge that I used in Class A. Grip for days. |
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