Post by endersai on Jan 11, 2017 23:41:47 GMT
Sup, Nodomites
When I joined NoDo, I'd done what most of you did. Thrashed random racers in racing lobbies and sought out a challenge, which lead me to HEEELLLLLOEVERYONE I'MMMMBROOFY1322 videos and NoDo.
Not long thereafter, I started a racing series on PC which was called SATCC. It should have been called SAGTC, since they were Grand Touring cars, but I blame Grumples_Plox (grimreaper977) , and has since been fixed.
The intent was simple; when I joined playlists, everyone drove the same cars in sports. Massacro. Massacro Racecar. Feltzer. Jester Racecar. I wanted a unique experience, cars less driven etc.
After a number of races and events, we basically began to learn that you can really adopt this approach to supers as well. Cars won't always be 100% balanced, so you need them to be within the same rough pace across one track, and across a season of tracks. Meaning, car X might be faster than Car Y on Track 1; slower than car Y on Track 2, and as fast as on track 3.
We started with these cars:
Pfister Comet, Benefactor Surano, Bravado Banshee, Karin Sultan, Grotti Carbonizzare, Invetero Coquette.
What I want to do here is provide a definitive set of GT Series cars for people who want to emulate what we've done, as well as help cement the definitive list for any future events - one off or ongoing. Obviously slower cars are in scope if people want to drive them - e.g. if someone says "Adder?" for GT1, yeah, fine.
I know there are threads for subclasses within classes - I'm not intending here to duplicate that. This is specifically for event racing (even if it's a themed daily playlist).
The benefit of this, for one off races or for counterpart series, is that you are offering a unique race environment. You're not going to be seeing all the same cars in same races as you would always see. And since everyone tends to have best in class, you will get seat time in cars you haven't otherwise raced often.
Too often, too, we have single car races. Meaning, you're competing against people in the same car. You might even have the three classes in the race, like with MCEC. But your competitors and you have the same machinery. To me, that's kind of boring and lacks real depth in the field, in the choices. I like variety.
Here's the V2.0 list. Please note - when making suggestions, please note the following cars should be disregarded due to their natural pace, thematic fit, or overuse in general racing:
SUPERS: X80 Proto; RE-7B; ETR1; Zentorno; Tempesta; Nero; T20; Osiris; FMJ
SPORTS: Massacro; Massacro RC; Jester RC; Feltzer; Elegy
GT1 Series Cars - Supers
As seen in: Upcoming February one off race
Cars:
Progen Itali GTB (inc. GTB Custom) Engine 3 Trans 3
Grotti Turismo R
Overflod Entity XF
Pegassi Reaper
Bravado Banshee 900R
Ocelot Penetrator
Vapid FMJ Engine 2 Trans 2
GT2 Series Cars - Sports
As seen in: PC San Andreas GT Championship Season 5
Cars:
Dewbauchee Seven70
Dewbauchee Specter/Specter Custom
Obey 9F
Grotti Bestia GTS
Dinka Jester
Benefactor Surano
Pfister Retro Comet
Bravado Verlierer
Annis Elegy Retro Custom (3/4)
GT3 Series Cars - Sports
As seen in: PC San Andreas GT Championship Seasons 1 - 4
Cars:
Benefactor Surano (downgraded to Engine 3/Trans 3 or Engine 2/Trans 4)
Pfister Comet (downgraded to Engine 3/Trans 3 or Engine 2/Trans 4)
Grotti Carbonizzare
Bravado Banshee
Invetero Coquette
Albany Alpha
Ocelot Lynx
ALTERNATIVE GT3:
Benefactor Surano (no turbo)
Pfister Comet (no turbo)
Grotti Carbonizzare
(no turbo)
Bravado Banshee
(no turbo)
Invetero Coquette (no turbo)
Albany Alpha
(turbo)
Ocelot Lynx (Turbo)
Karin Sultan (Turbo)
How is this different from GT1/GT2/GT3 in, say MCEC?
Well, that terminology applies to events where only three cars are available. All 8 - 10 people in GT1 drive the exact same car, as do GT2 and GT3.
This is closer to the actual spirit of a GT class, and it means that you're fielding up to six different chassis across your teams.
So, can I use these cars for an event?
Of course! I don't own them; all I ask is that you credit the source.
What if I want to make changes?
Your call. But 'officially', these would be the cars in each GT category. With the ItaliGTB being new, and the Specter only having been tested in a PC Trainer environment, we may make further revisions. But this will be where that happens.
Is there any way I can see how these races look?
Yep. A few of the people in my event record and upload their results. I would point you to ovivoJR since he's been doing videos since Season 1 and he provides commentary. He's also raced a different car each season.
How do you select cars for a GT?
Three key criteria:
1) What doesn't get used often in modern GTA races?
2) What thematically makes sense?
3) What cars can battle on track and be competitive? You don't want a dominant car, you want variety.
#1 is addressed above, too.
CARS TO AVOID:
SUPERS: X80 Proto; RE-7B; ETR1; Zentorno; Tempesta; Nero; T20; Osiris; FMJ
SPORTS: Massacro; Massacro RC; Jester RC; Feltzer; Elegy
#2 is really simple - if you looked at a Blancpain GT race, what sorts of cars would you see? McLarens. Ferraris. Porsches. Aston Martins. Covettes. SRT Vipers. You don't see any 4 door Mercedes sedans, though (cloudmcshort ). So go for that theme. If you're doing coupes, work out of the Sentinel XS and Cogno Carbio and Exemplar could race - because a BMW M3 GT, Bentley Continental GT3 and Rapide Hydrogen Hybrid all get liveries slapped on them and race IRL, too.
#3 is harder to match. Never look at single laptimes. We downgraded the Comet to 2/3 and in clean air it could get good lap times, but it couldn't defend or overtake. Battles are always the most important thing, because a driver who just has no tools in the toolbox to get past a slower driver will be frustrated. So we test a number of circuits. Stunt prop real race tracks. Street tracks. Tracks where speed matters vs technical tracks, where cornering speed and agility is paramount. IF the same car wins all the races, then you need to consider its place in the event. But you should have the option of "I prefer technical tracks, I pick car X" vs "I want top speed, I pick car Y."
Would muscle cars work?
Yes, I suppose so, though I don't like them so I'm biased AF against them. But if you were emulating, say, a NASCAR race where they actually race and don't just drive in circles like scrubs (redlaserbm ) - you know, when they go to Watkins Glen - or the V8 Supercars in Australia (NASCAR for real men), you would take out the obvious choices - Blade, Dominator, Dominator RC, Sabre Turbo Custom - and work with that. I actually think bladecruiser and BIGGamerer have done this and could advise.
Wheels
I limit use to Sports, High End, and Tuners. These give the best mix of looking authentically like racing tyres (stanced EG and rally masters in Tuners, for example; S Racers in sports) whilst managing bumps and turn in. Think of them as your Hard (tuners), Medium (Sports) and Soft (High End) compound tyres.
Just avoid offroads or lowriders, as they look like shit.
I see mention of Specter, ItaliGTB and Retro Comet customs. What about the Elegy Retro Custom?
Still being tested. It could potentially fit GT2, but with downgrades.
Any comments, questions, or suggestions are welcome. Except if it's that I'm wrong and should feel bad about NASCAR/muscle cars. I'm right and it feels great.
EDIT: I forgot the FMJ. More like, FML amirite